Thoughts on GOOD SMELLING A. bulbifer

From: "Julius Boos" <ju-bo at msn.com> on 2007.06.23 at 09:55:01(15825) Dear Amorphofriends, I have just received a note from ANOTHER friend and grower confirming that he too has A. bulbifer in his collection which produce good-smelling blooms which he can display indoors! I have waited, literally for YEARS, for someone, ANYONE to notice this 'good smelling' A. bulbifer (THANKS, C.J. !!), as when I FIRST brought this topic up years ago as I remember it, everyone who pitched in to that discussion back then said that there was no such plant! They thought that ALL A. bulbifers stunk! I even remember suggesting that maybe there was a 'ringer' in this group, perhaps ANOTHER species which might closely resemble A. bulbifer, but smelt GOOD! All said 'no way!!" So---I retreated into my shell, shut up, and waited to hear if ANYONE else had experienced or smelt what I had witnessed at The Mounts Bot. Garden sale those many years ago at C. Mc. D`s booth! Now, years later, we have confirmation from TWO NEW people who say that they too have experienced the 'good smelling' A. bulbifers! And yes, j b, I too agree that it does not make evoloutionary 'sense' to have a plant utilizing TWO attractant scents, but then again, it just might work, as pollinators of DIFFERENT types may still get the job done on BOTH clones/vars, which, in evoloutionary 'time' (millions of years), may lead to the production of a recognisable NEW species??!! Cross-pollination of one var. by the other might be interesting!! What say yee now, all other growers of this plant?? Does anyone else have information or suggestions to add to this discussion?? The Best to all, Julius +More _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: Susan B <honeybunny442 at yahoo.com> on 2007.06.23 at 15:32:51(15834) Dear Julius and friends,I thought the first bulbifer that ever bloomed for me had a good smell and I commented on this during the original line. But I might have a faulty memory- it has happened before~!This would have been in about 2002 and I think the tuber came either from Plant Delights or Enid. Unfortunately, the tuber has gone to the big greenhouse in the sky- :)Julius, some people simply cannot smell these good smelling aroids. My Arisaema candidissimum smell like cotton candy to me, my husband cannot smell it at all.This morning I walked out on our porch and called to Harry: "I smell gas!!" which is odd since we have electric power. Then it smelled like road kill.... it was only after I read Julius' email that it registered it was an Aroid blooming (albus).P-U!Susan Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! +More _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "C. J. Addington" <cjaddington at comcast.net> on 2007.06.23 at 21:34:23(15840) Hello aroiders! I'll just throw in my two cents and agree with Julius here. There ARE pleasantly scented A. bulbifer, and the biggest one in our school greenhouse is a prime example. If you stuff your nose right in it at its peak of odor you get a touch of "natural gas leak", but from a couple of feet away the overall effect is a floral, slightly sweet, subtle scent. The teachers at my school have all had an opportunity to smell other species - konjac, henryi, etc. - and all agree that those species stink up a storm, but they all also agree that bulbifer is the most pleasant of the bunch. I suspect there is a lot of natural variation - even within a species - and odor probably can vary quite a lot. My other big interest is the genus Arum, and the smells in that genus are extremely variable. Different clones of Arum sintenisii, for example, can vary from pleasantly fruity and candy-like, to pungently over-ripe and rotten, to odorless. The joy of genomes! Cheers, C.J. +More Citrus Heights, California On 06/23/2007 02:55, "Julius Boos" wrote: > > > Dear Amorphofriends, > > I have just received a note from ANOTHER friend and grower confirming that > he too has A. bulbifer in his collection which produce good-smelling blooms > which he can display indoors! > I have waited, literally for YEARS, for someone, ANYONE to notice this 'good > smelling' A. bulbifer (THANKS, C.J. !!), as when I FIRST brought this topic > up years ago as I remember it, everyone who pitched in to that discussion > back then said that there was no such plant! They thought that ALL A. > bulbifers stunk! I even remember suggesting that maybe there was a 'ringer' > in this group, perhaps ANOTHER species which might closely resemble A. > bulbifer, but smelt GOOD! All said 'no way!!" So---I retreated into my > shell, shut up, and waited to hear if ANYONE else had experienced or smelt > what I had witnessed at The Mounts Bot. Garden sale those many years ago at > C. Mc. D`s booth! > Now, years later, we have confirmation from TWO NEW people who say that they > too have experienced the 'good smelling' A. bulbifers! > And yes, j b, I too agree that it does not make evoloutionary 'sense' to > have a plant utilizing TWO attractant scents, but then again, it just might > work, as pollinators of DIFFERENT types may still get the job done on BOTH > clones/vars, which, in evoloutionary 'time' (millions of years), may lead to > the production of a recognisable NEW species??!! Cross-pollination of one > var. by the other might be interesting!! > What say yee now, all other growers of this plant?? Does anyone else have > information or suggestions to add to this discussion?? > > The Best to all, > > Julius > > > _______________________________________________ > Aroid-l mailing list > Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "Wilbert Hetterscheid" <hetter at xs4all.nl> on 2007.06.24 at 09:12:59(15846) I vote that people who think that bulbifer smells good, be expelled from aroid-L because of gross olfactory incompetence!!!!!!!! Lord P. +More > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com > [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com] Namens C. J. Addington > Verzonden: zaterdag 23 juni 2007 23:34 > Aan: Discussion of aroids > Onderwerp: Re: [Aroid-l] Thoughts on GOOD SMELLING A. bulbifer > > Hello aroiders! > I'll just throw in my two cents and agree with Julius > here. There ARE pleasantly scented A. bulbifer, and the > biggest one in our school greenhouse is a prime example. If > you stuff your nose right in it at its peak of odor you get a > touch of "natural gas leak", but from a couple of feet away > the overall effect is a floral, slightly sweet, subtle scent. > The teachers at my school have all had an opportunity to > smell other species - konjac, henryi, etc. - and all agree > that those species stink up a storm, but they all also agree > that bulbifer is the most pleasant of the bunch. I suspect > there is a lot of natural variation - even within a species - > and odor probably can vary quite a lot. > My other big interest is the genus Arum, and the smells > in that genus are extremely variable. Different clones of > Arum sintenisii, for example, can vary from pleasantly fruity > and candy-like, to pungently over-ripe and rotten, to > odorless. The joy of genomes! > > Cheers, > C.J. > Citrus Heights, California > > > On 06/23/2007 02:55, "Julius Boos" wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Amorphofriends, > > > > I have just received a note from ANOTHER friend and grower > confirming > > that he too has A. bulbifer in his collection which produce > > good-smelling blooms which he can display indoors! > > I have waited, literally for YEARS, for someone, ANYONE to > notice this > > 'good smelling' A. bulbifer (THANKS, C.J. !!), as when I > FIRST brought > > this topic up years ago as I remember it, everyone who > pitched in to that discussion > > back then said that there was no such plant! They > thought that ALL A. > > bulbifers stunk! I even remember suggesting that maybe > there was a 'ringer' > > in this group, perhaps ANOTHER species which might closely > resemble A. > > bulbifer, but smelt GOOD! All said 'no way!!" So---I > retreated into > > my shell, shut up, and waited to hear if ANYONE else had > experienced > > or smelt what I had witnessed at The Mounts Bot. Garden sale those > > many years ago at C. Mc. D`s booth! > > Now, years later, we have confirmation from TWO NEW people who say > > that they too have experienced the 'good smelling' A. bulbifers! > > And yes, j b, I too agree that it does not make > evoloutionary 'sense' > > to have a plant utilizing TWO attractant scents, but then again, it > > just might work, as pollinators of DIFFERENT types may > still get the > > job done on BOTH clones/vars, which, in evoloutionary > 'time' (millions of years), may lead to > > the production of a recognisable NEW species??!! > Cross-pollination of one > > var. by the other might be interesting!! > > What say yee now, all other growers of this plant?? Does > anyone else have > > information or suggestions to add to this discussion?? > > > > The Best to all, > > > > Julius > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Aroid-l mailing list > > Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com > > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > > > _______________________________________________ > Aroid-l mailing list > Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "Julius Boos" <ju-bo at msn.com> on 2007.06.24 at 20:19:31(15852) Reply-To : Discussion of aroids Sent : Saturday, June 23, 2007 3:32 PM To : Discussion of aroids Subject : Re: [Aroid-l] Thoughts on GOOD SMELLING A. bulbifer Dear Susan, C.J. and Amorphophrieds, Thanks for confirming that in fact there IS a 'good'-smelling' A. bulbifer, I can FINALLY sleep a restful nights sleep after all these years worrying about it! I wonder where all the people who INSISTED that I was crazy, that ALL P. bulbifer smelt horrible are?? Cat got your tongues, or maybe it is biting your typing finger?!?!?! +More >>Dear Julius and friends, I thought the first bulbifer that ever bloomed for me had a good smell and I commented on this during the original line. But I might have a faulty memory- it has happened before~! This would have been in about 2002 and I think the tuber came either from Plant Delights or Enid. Unfortunately, the tuber has gone to the big greenhouse in the sky- :)<< Your memory is not faulty in THIS case, since in fact there IS a good-smelling A. bilbifer, and a really bad smelling one also! >>Julius, some people simply cannot smell these good smelling aroids. My >>Arisaema candidissimum smell like cotton candy to me, my husband cannot >>smell it at all.<< I know that different individuals both smell and TASTE things VERY differently, that their perception of 'pleasant' vs. 'repulsive' is SO very different, and have debated if I see exactly the same as you or another person might! And this is NOT taking into account color-blindness! My dear friend, the late Lynn Hannon, was COMPLETELY color blind, and she used to try to imagine what colors were like! Interesting to contemplate! < gas!!" which is odd since we have electric power. Then it smelled like road kill.... it was only after I read Julius' email that it registered it was an Aroid blooming (albus). P-U! Susan<< Yes, some REALLY smell bad! Better you than me to have one close to my house! I still remember the late and dear Fanny Phillips' round-robin Amorphophallus group letter (yes, there WAS life before e-mail, young ones!) where she described the blooming of her first A. konjac. She had been warned that it would smell horribly, much like a dead dog, but was assured that the smell would only last a day or so. She said as the thing, planted far-off in a FAR-corner of her garden opened, sure enough a dead-dog smell was STRONG in her yard and neighborhood. It lasted one, then two, then after several more days she thought that she had better investigate, and on walking down her garden to the plant, she actually found that a poor stray dog had died and was rotting near to the now-wilting bloom! The Best, and Thanks again to C.J. and Susan. Julius _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "StroWi at t-online.de" <StroWi at t-online.de> on 2007.06.25 at 07:15:20(15853) Susan,your lines remind me of my first Amorphophallus bloom.That early summer I woke up and I was irritated by a smell that reminded me of a mixture of sewage plant and road kill. I supsected the resaurant next to our house that they had forgotten about their kitchen waste for the last weeks....When I went downstairs my nose lead me to our wintergarten where this stench was so strong that I stopped breathing and I moved the blooming, I mean the albus in bloom, out immediately :-)Since that day I have a very close eye on my albus growing inside.....Happy sniffing ;-)BernhardDollbergen, Lower +More Saxony, GermanyUSDA zone 7======================================================This morning I walked out on our porch and called to Harry: "I smell gas!!" which is odd since we have electric power. Then it smelled like road kill.... it was only after I read Julius' email that it registered it was an Aroid blooming (albus).P-U!Susan _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: Hermine <hermine at endangeredspecies.com> on 2007.06.25 at 21:28:06(15856) At 02:12 AM 6/24/2007, Wilbert Hetterscheid wrote: I vote that people who think that bulbifer smells good, be expelled from aroid-L because of gross olfactory incompetence!!!!!!!! Lord P. +More I have a bloodhound sense of smell. very very keen. however, my taste in what smells bad is not "usual". i do not flee when others vomit from skunk. I cannot bear Chanel #5. So i suggest it is not a matter of olfactory incompetence, but of individual, or possibly deranged taste. Hermine Stover, Secretary & Media Liaison Responsible Dog Owners Of The Western States 23280 Stephanie Rd., Perris CA 92570 951 940 0496, cel 310 925 840 |\ _,,,---,,_ /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ |,0- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-'"""le chien qui dort '---''(_/--' `-'\_) _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "Marek Argent" <abri1973 at wp.pl> on 2007.06.26 at 02:40:09(15863) Bulbifer,,, it smells different during rain, c;ear weather, and storm. It may be a personal biometer. Marek (Lord D. (eviant)). +More ----- Original Message ----- From: Hermine To: Discussion of aroids ; 'Discussion of aroids' Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 11:28 PM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Thoughts on GOOD SMELLING A. bulbifer At 02:12 AM 6/24/2007, Wilbert Hetterscheid wrote: I vote that people who think that bulbifer smells good, be expelled fromaroid-L because of gross olfactory incompetence!!!!!!!!Lord P. I have a bloodhound sense of smell. very very keen. however, my taste in what smells bad is not "usual". i do not flee when others vomit from skunk. I cannot bear Chanel #5. So i suggest it is not a matter of olfactory incompetence, but of individual, or possibly deranged taste. Hermine Stover, Secretary & Media LiaisonResponsible Dog Owners Of The Western States23280 Stephanie Rd., Perris CA 92570951 940 0496, cel 310 925 840 |\ _,,,---,,_ /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ |,0- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-'"""le chien qui dort '---''(_/--' `-'\_) __________ NOD32 Informacje 2353 (20070625) __________Wiadomosc zostala sprawdzona przez System Antywirusowy NOD32http://www.nod32.com lub http://www.nod32.pl _______________________________________________Aroid-L mailing listAroid-L@www.gizmoworks.comhttp://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l__________ NOD32 Informacje 2353 (20070625) __________Wiadomosc zostala sprawdzona przez System Antywirusowy NOD32http://www.nod32.com lub http://www.nod32.pl _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "Wilbert Hetterscheid" <hetter at xs4all.nl> on 2007.06.26 at 07:46:01(15867) And there I was thinking I had heard it all............... Guys, are we quite sure we are talking true bulbifer here and not a bulbiferoid muelleri, which does have additional chemicals in its predominantly dimethyl-oligosulphide-containg smell? Lord P(hytochemist) +More > Bulbifer,,, it smells different during rain, c;ear weather, and storm. It > may be a personal biometer. > > Marek (Lord D. (eviant)). > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Hermine > To: Discussion of aroids ; 'Discussion of aroids' > Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 11:28 PM > Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Thoughts on GOOD SMELLING A. bulbifer > > > At 02:12 AM 6/24/2007, Wilbert Hetterscheid wrote: > > I vote that people who think that bulbifer smells good, be expelled > from > aroid-L because of gross olfactory incompetence!!!!!!!! > > Lord P. > > I have a bloodhound sense of smell. very very keen. however, my taste in > what smells bad is not "usual". i do not flee when others vomit from > skunk. I cannot bear Chanel #5. So i suggest it is not a matter of > olfactory incompetence, but of individual, or possibly deranged taste. > > > Hermine Stover, Secretary & Media Liaison > Responsible Dog Owners Of The Western States > 23280 Stephanie Rd., Perris CA 92570 > 951 940 0496, cel 310 925 840 > |\ _,,,---,,_ > /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ > |,0- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-'"""le chien qui dort > '---''(_/--' `-'\_) > > __________ NOD32 Informacje 2353 (20070625) __________ > > Wiadomosc zostala sprawdzona przez System Antywirusowy NOD32 > http://www.nod32.com lub http://www.nod32.pl > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > _______________________________________________ > Aroid-L mailing list > Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > > > __________ NOD32 Informacje 2353 (20070625) __________ > > Wiadomosc zostala sprawdzona przez System Antywirusowy NOD32 > http://www.nod32.com lub http://www.nod32.pl > > _______________________________________________ > Aroid-L mailing list > Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: Susan B <honeybunny442 at yahoo.com> on 2007.06.26 at 16:15:25(15873) POSITIVE!Wilbert Hetterscheid wrote: And there I was thinking I had heard it all...............Guys, are we quite sure we are talking true bulbifer here and not abulbiferoid muelleri, which does have additional chemicals in itspredominantly dimethyl-oligosulphide-containg smell?Lord P(hytochemist) Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. _______________________________________________ +More Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "Julius Boos" <ju-bo at msn.com> on 2007.06.26 at 22:37:55(15877) MSN Home | My MSN | Hotmail | Shopping | Money | People & Chat Sign out of .NET Passport sites Web Search: +More go to MSN Hotmail Today Mail Calendar Contacts Options | Help ju-bo@msn.com Free Newsletters Reply Reply | Reply All Reply All | Forward Forward | Delete Delete | Junk Mail Junk | Put In Folder Put in Folder | Print Print View | Contact Save Address Inbox Sent Messages Drafts Trash Can Report Junk E-Mail Report and Block Sender Reply-To : Discussion of aroids Sent : Tuesday, June 26, 2007 4:15 PM To : Discussion of aroids Subject : Re: [Aroid-l] Thoughts on GOOD SMELLING A. bulbifer Dear Wilbert, I`ve been attempting for over 15 YEARS to get the info. out that there are TWO types of A. bulbifer, one that smells BAD, and one that smells GOOD! To this point, nobody seemed to believe me, or even consider that I might be correct! Now TWO people, C.J. and Susan, have confirmed what I have been saying all these years! Someone, ANYONE, send Lord Phallus a tuber of the good-smelling A. bulbifer! Check C.J.`s photos, he has a photo of the bloom of his plant of A. bulbifer which smells GOOD! << The Best, Julius >>POSITIVE! Wilbert Hetterscheid wrote: And there I was thinking I had heard it all............... Guys, are we quite sure we are talking true bulbifer here and not a bulbiferoid muelleri, which does have additional chemicals in its predominantly dimethyl-oligosulphide-containg smell? Lord P(hytochemist) _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

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