Why is Monstera deliciosa to be kept in the adult

From: "John" <criswick at spiceisle.com> on 2010.09.04 at 21:19:31(21378) Could it have anything to do with it being a high altitude species? John. HTML +More From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Ferenc Lengyel Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 7:13 AM To: Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com Subject: [Aroid-l] Why is Monstera deliciosa to be kept in the adult form inpot culture? Dear all, Does anybody know why M. deliciosa keeps its adult form in "captivity"? All the other Monstera species, Philodendrons and Epipremnums usually stay in the juvenile form in pot culture and need humid tropical conditions and climb on a support to reach the adult form. Even the they can easily revert to the juvenile form if returned to normal house conditions. But not M. deliciosa. Why? Ferenc ------=_NextPart_000_0132_01CB4C55.58D89070-- --==============b04018257002547906=

From: Johannes Moonen <emeraldjunglevillage at wanadoo.fr> on 2010.09.04 at 21:42:18(21379) Dear Ferek, i keep M delicosa since 1991 on my lawn. They where 2 cuttings i 'found' in Caracas. by time they developed great leaves and have flowered, but not regulary. I don not do anyting for them, just let them creep on the ground. I have seen this in gardens in Fla too. In the 60's M. deliciosa was in Holland a fashionplant. I t might be responsible for my love for aroids. Cheers, Joep Moonen +More On Sep 2, 2010, at 8:13 AM, Ferenc Lengyel wrote: > Dear all, > Does anybody know why M. deliciosa keeps its adult form in > "captivity"? All the other Monstera species, Philodendrons and > Epipremnums usually stay in the juvenile form in pot culture and > need humid tropical conditions and climb on a support to reach the > adult form. Even the they can easily revert to the juvenile form if > returned to normal house conditions. But not M. deliciosa. Why? > Ferenc > _______________________________________________ > Aroid-L mailing list > Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: Ferenc Lengyel <feri.lengyel at gmail.com> on 2010.09.05 at 18:42:56(21394) Dear John, I don't know if the fact that M. deliciosa is a higher altitude species has anything to do to the phenomenon described in the title, but it explains why I saw a lush wall of this plant flowering and fruiting in a park in Lisbon, Porugal, which is not a tropical. country. Dear Mr Moonen, What you wrote supports that M. deliciosa does not need to climb and grown as an epiphite to keep its adult form and flower. It doesn't even have to be in a humid environment, as all the plants in flats and offices keep their adult form with large, wonderful leaves and sometimes they flower in such conditions. When I cut my M. deliciosa into one leaved cuttings, they grow a new shoot from the node developing to a new plant with the adult leaf form. On the other hand, someone wrote somewhere (maybe on this forum?) that he got a cutting of a M. dubia (or tenuis? I remember) from an adult plant but it reverted to the juvenile form. The other Monstera species that is sometimes available here in Europe (maybe M. adansonii, or a hybrid, I don't know, but it is from Holland) is always in its juvenile form. I sometimes see M. dubia plants offered on the internet, and they are always in the juvenile form. So it seems that M. deliciosa somewhat differs from other Monstera species and other climbing aroids in the way it regulates the switch between juvenile and adult forms. Or am I wrong? Ferenc HTML +More --0015174c3c484525ce048f878882-- --==============G29009822459598740=

From: Harry Luther <hluther1 at hotmail.com> on 2010.09.08 at 06:44:20(21416) In 1986 a group from Selby encountered Monstera deliciosa in a cloud forest on Cerro Colorado, ca 1250 m in Chiriqui, Panama. Plants were all terrestrial or lthophytic in light gaps. Localised, not at all common there. Perhaps hemiepiphytic if trees were larger.      HEL   From: denis@skg.com HTML +More To: aroid-l@www.gizmoworks.com Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 13:01:06 -0400 Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Why is Monstera deliciosa to be kept in the adult form inpot culture? Judging from my experience growing Monstera deliciosa in the landscape in south Florida, it is not an obligate epiphyte and is just as much at home crawling across the ground under a tree as climbing up the trunk of that tree. The other species of monstera  are all climbers and as such they stretch out with small juvenile leaves and long whippy stems until they come in contact with a surface to climb on. The higher up they go the bigger and more mature the stems and leaves become. As long as the apical bud is going upwards they continue to stay mature. Also, M. deliciosa  has long been a cultivated crop producing fruit in for indigenous peoples to eat. Who knows what traits they selected for when planting this species in their garden. Flavor is one I would look for and a lack of those darn spiny  calcium oxalate raphides common in the flesh of  other aroids, and I guess it would have been nice not to climb a tree to harvest the fruits and brave the ants and other critters up there at the top. So maybe it’s just possible that the wild type M. deliciosa, if it can be found, are more epiphytic than its domesticated, ground dwelling brothers and sisters and maybe the fruits don’t taste as good.     Denis Silver Krome Gardens Homestead Florida       From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of John Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2010 5:20 PM To: 'Discussion of aroids' Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Why is Monstera deliciosa to be kept in the adult form inpot culture?   Could it have anything to do with it being a high altitude species?   John. From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Ferenc Lengyel Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 7:13 AM To: Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com Subject: [Aroid-l] Why is Monstera deliciosa to be kept in the adult form inpot culture?   Dear all, Does anybody know why M. deliciosa keeps its adult form in "captivity"? All the other Monstera species, Philodendrons and Epipremnums usually stay in the juvenile form in pot culture and need humid tropical conditions and climb on a support to reach the adult form. Even the they can easily revert to the juvenile form if returned to normal house conditions. But not M. deliciosa. Why? Ferenc  _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l --_3ad81879-2c6e-4bd7-a63b-2b2cd90d36eb_-- --==============(04413313815258668=

From: Ferenc Lengyel <feri.lengyel at gmail.com> on 2010.09.08 at 07:28:44(21417) Dear Denis, Thank you for the answer. Really interesting point to consider (I mean the second paragraph of your letter). I was speculating myself too, weather the M. deliciosa plants offered here in Europe are all the offspring of a selected strain... Maybe someone can tell me how the wild plants of this species behave... Ferenc HTML +More --0015175ca8e2b004fa048fba76c6-- --==============T40345257002713449=

From: Ernesto Collosi <ernestocollosi at hotmail.com> on 2010.09.09 at 17:37:27(21425) Denis, Do you know where I can get a Philodendron williamsii or stenolobum? Thanks, Ernesto HTML +More From: denis@skg.com To: aroid-l@www.gizmoworks.com Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 13:01:06 -0400 Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Why is Monstera deliciosa to be kept in the adult form inpot culture? Judging from my experience growing Monstera deliciosa in the landscape in south Florida, it is not an obligate epiphyte and is just as much at home crawling across the ground under a tree as climbing up the trunk of that tree. The other species of monstera  are all climbers and as such they stretch out with small juvenile leaves and long whippy stems until they come in contact with a surface to climb on. The higher up they go the bigger and more mature the stems and leaves become. As long as the apical bud is going upwards they continue to stay mature. Also, M. deliciosa  has long been a cultivated crop producing fruit in for indigenous peoples to eat. Who knows what traits they selected for when planting this species in their garden. Flavor is one I would look for and a lack of those darn spiny  calcium oxalate raphides common in the flesh of  other aroids, and I guess it would have been nice not to climb a tree to harvest the fruits and brave the ants and other critters up there at the top. So maybe it’s just possible that the wild type M. deliciosa, if it can be found, are more epiphytic than its domesticated, ground dwelling brothers and sisters and maybe the fruits don’t taste as good.     Denis Silver Krome Gardens Homestead Florida       From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of John Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2010 5:20 PM To: 'Discussion of aroids' Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Why is Monstera deliciosa to be kept in the adult form inpot culture?   Could it have anything to do with it being a high altitude species?   John. From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Ferenc Lengyel Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 7:13 AM To: Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com Subject: [Aroid-l] Why is Monstera deliciosa to be kept in the adult form inpot culture?   Dear all, Does anybody know why M. deliciosa keeps its adult form in "captivity"? All the other Monstera species, Philodendrons and Epipremnums usually stay in the juvenile form in pot culture and need humid tropical conditions and climb on a support to reach the adult form. Even the they can easily revert to the juvenile form if returned to normal house conditions. But not M. deliciosa. Why? Ferenc  _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l --_0e3d2fac-3310-4bbe-bcbc-d3445e8cff69_-- --==============F81049601189957407=

From: "John" <criswick at spiceisle.com> on 2010.09.10 at 23:52:41(21438) I can send you seeds of P. stenolobium next time I get some on my plants. John. HTML +More From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Ernesto Collosi Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 1:37 PM To: aroid-l@www.gizmoworks.com Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Why is Monstera deliciosa to be kept in the adult form inpot culture? Denis, Do you know where I can get a Philodendron williamsii or stenolobum? Thanks, Ernesto From: denis@skg.com To: aroid-l@www.gizmoworks.com Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 13:01:06 -0400 Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Why is Monstera deliciosa to be kept in the adult form inpot culture? Judging from my experience growing Monstera deliciosa in the landscape in south Florida, it is not an obligate epiphyte and is just as much at home crawling across the ground under a tree as climbing up the trunk of that tree. The other species of monstera are all climbers and as such they stretch out with small juvenile leaves and long whippy stems until they come in contact with a surface to climb on. The higher up they go the bigger and more mature the stems and leaves become. As long as the apical bud is going upwards they continue to stay mature. Also, M. deliciosa has long been a cultivated crop producing fruit in for indigenous peoples to eat. Who knows what traits they selected for when planting this species in their garden. Flavor is one I would look for and a lack of those darn spiny calcium oxalate raphides common in the flesh of other aroids, and I guess it would have been nice not to climb a tree to harvest the fruits and brave the ants and other critters up there at the top. So maybe it’s just possible that the wild type M. deliciosa, if it can be found, are more epiphytic than its domesticated, ground dwelling brothers and sisters and maybe the fruits don’t taste as good. Denis Silver Krome Gardens Homestead Florida From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of John Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2010 5:20 PM To: 'Discussion of aroids' Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Why is Monstera deliciosa to be kept in the adult form inpot culture? Could it have anything to do with it being a high altitude species? John. From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Ferenc Lengyel Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 7:13 AM To: Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com Subject: [Aroid-l] Why is Monstera deliciosa to be kept in the adult form inpot culture? Dear all, Does anybody know why M. deliciosa keeps its adult form in "captivity"? All the other Monstera species, Philodendrons and Epipremnums usually stay in the juvenile form in pot culture and need humid tropical conditions and climb on a support to reach the adult form. Even the they can easily revert to the juvenile form if returned to normal house conditions. But not M. deliciosa. Why? Ferenc _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l ------=_NextPart_000_0842_01CB5121.BCBFD410-- --==============147180135543755148=

From: Ernesto Collosi <ernestocollosi at hotmail.com> on 2010.09.12 at 22:20:23(21456) John, Thanks Ernesto HTML +More From: criswick@spiceisle.com To: aroid-l@www.gizmoworks.com Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 19:52:41 -0400 Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Why is Monstera deliciosa to be kept in the adult form inpot culture? I can send you seeds of P. stenolobium next time I get some on my plants.  John.   From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Ernesto Collosi Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 1:37 PM To: aroid-l@www.gizmoworks.com Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Why is Monstera deliciosa to be kept in the adult form inpot culture?   Denis, Do you know where I can get a Philodendron williamsii or stenolobum? Thanks, Ernesto From: denis@skg.com To: aroid-l@www.gizmoworks.com Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 13:01:06 -0400 Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Why is Monstera deliciosa to be kept in the adult form inpot culture? Judging from my experience growing Monstera deliciosa in the landscape in south Florida, it is not an obligate epiphyte and is just as much at home crawling across the ground under a tree as climbing up the trunk of that tree. The other species of monstera  are all climbers and as such they stretch out with small juvenile leaves and long whippy stems until they come in contact with a surface to climb on. The higher up they go the bigger and more mature the stems and leaves become. As long as the apical bud is going upwards they continue to stay mature. Also, M. deliciosa  has long been a cultivated crop producing fruit in for indigenous peoples to eat. Who knows what traits they selected for when planting this species in their garden. Flavor is one I would look for and a lack of those darn spiny  calcium oxalate raphides common in the flesh of  other aroids, and I guess it would have been nice not to climb a tree to harvest the fruits and brave the ants and other critters up there at the top. So maybe it’s just possible that the wild type M. deliciosa, if it can be found, are more epiphytic than its domesticated, ground dwelling brothers and sisters and maybe the fruits don’t taste as good.     Denis Silver Krome Gardens Homestead Florida       From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of John Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2010 5:20 PM To: 'Discussion of aroids' Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Why is Monstera deliciosa to be kept in the adult form inpot culture?   Could it have anything to do with it being a high altitude species?   John. From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Ferenc Lengyel Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 7:13 AM To: Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com Subject: [Aroid-l] Why is Monstera deliciosa to be kept in the adult form inpot culture?   Dear all, Does anybody know why M. deliciosa keeps its adult form in "captivity"? All the other Monstera species, Philodendrons and Epipremnums usually stay in the juvenile form in pot culture and need humid tropical conditions and climb on a support to reach the adult form. Even the they can easily revert to the juvenile form if returned to normal house conditions. But not M. deliciosa. Why? Ferenc  _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l --_eb1ba833-8405-4eb3-9570-2f03e0894341_-- --==============769131895006299035=

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