From: "Ron Iles" roniles at eircom.net> on 2001.06.24 at 05:27:41(6859)
Dear Folks,
For Goodness Sake we do this for FUN. For studying and growing aroids! I
am truly sorry if bits of what I wrote were not perceived as helpful with
fun. Although one tries hard, the written word doesn't always work as well
as the spoken word. I have been seemingly accused of things that don't in
reality appear in my part of the dialogue. We can dialogue in matters which
others feel serious and different about and still be positive about the
other folks. Everything's important! But do we ever again need to take
ourselves that seriously? GOOD things have emerged from this long
conversation from which we can learn. Some of it is about our beloved
plants, some of it about our own positivities as well as negativities. It
is the Summer Solstice when the wolf & coyote howl maybe best and the Road
Runner is at most peril. I suggest it isn't what & who but how and why?
This has turned into something not fitting for our international community,
maybe for reasons unrelated to the issues.... Is it not well overdue time
for change of topics, PLEASE. Everyone is a your Friend, Folks. You have
enormous reserves of positivity and humour. Everything can be said in
constructive FUN as people put forward their points of View & input
"different" & helpful information. Benign cut & thrust is part of fine
dialogue. Lets move on and forward regarding the good intent of
contributors who also give their time & energy to us. PLEASE give them the
benefit of your doubt and then they will not be found wanting.... There are
only a few involved in this Dialogue & I truly like you all & I hope you
will always benignly reciprocate. Please let us loosen up and let Peace
break out. The wounds are scratches and we have gained much in the
Learning.
| +More |
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Ron-Fred
----- Original Message -----
To: "Multiple recipients of list AROID-L"
Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2001 6:16 AM
Subject: Re: Line breeding vs hybridization
| Neil, what a well spoken commentary upon personal choice of like and
dislike.
| Those who hold true to either side of the coin, will find life to be
rather
| rigid and unforgiving when they step off of their high and mighty
mountains and
| come down here to the realm of nature in the valley where anything goes
and
| everything has an opportunity.
|
| Betsy
|
| Neil Carroll wrote:
|
| > Ron, It is rare that I have read such furious defense of the keeping of
| > "pure" species and such an aversion to hybridization. I personally am a
| > species collector because I enjoy the beauty of what I am attracted to.
But,
| > beyond the taxonomists' obvious frustration with hybridizers, I see no
| > reason to viscously attack those who wish to hybridize. Your point of
view
| > seems to exclude and put "outside of Nature" humans. I can think of no
| > scenario that excludes humans from nature. We and what we do are
intricatly
| > and inextricably a part of Nature. NO matter how "obscene" you think
people
| > are.
| >
| > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I like Anthurium but find Spaths
| > rather banal. I find Amorph. and Dracontium beautiful but know that the
| > population at large would find them ugly. The plants we enjoy are
enjoyed
| > because of a VISUAL beauty we find in them.
| >
| > I have heard many taxonomists , who mostly deal with "ornamental" or
| > collector species (particularly aroids, bromeliads, orchids, etc.), that
| > speak of the particular "beauty" over this or that species. In
ornamentals
| > people hybridize to try to find more "beauty" in what they grow. This is
| > there opinion. It is no less valid than yours. To belittle and accuse
people
| > of doing some sort of irreparable harm is unfair and very narrow in
vision.
| >
| > The big bang brought us in and a singularity may take us out.......so
enjoy
| > ......and let others enjoy.
| >
| > Maybe you all are just kidding
| >
| > Neil
|
|
|
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