Re: AMORPHOPHALLUS @ Fairchild Tropical Garden

From: "Bonaventure W Magrys" magrysbo at shu.edu> on 2000.04.26 at 22:12:15(4433) The Royal Horticultural Society maintains an orchid hybrid registery, with stringent rules. My own Arisaema hybrids have been strictly documented, closely watched, and always immediately and permanently kept labeled. A cross, say of A. haematospadix with A. gigas will always have the same name for the grex, whether it is remade in the future by someone else or with different clones (but backcrosses of the hybrid to one of the parents must be named differently) or whichever species is the seed bearing parent. The convention is A.(species A x species B) on the label (that is A, the seed parent, by B, the pollen donor). So for example you may, if you choose to do so, in some centralized registry for aroid hybrids, register Amorphophallus Bloody Giant [A.(gigas x haematospadix)]. In this case pollen was donated by the haematospadix. My clone of course would be A. Bloody Giant 'The Best' (note single quotation marks). The offspring will be all individual clones with variability and any vegetative propagation of an y will still carry the clonal name. Offspring of a self pollination would be labeled as A. Bloody Giant ('The Best' x self) and can each be given individual clonal names. Offspring of a sibling cross, eg. 'The Best' x 'FTG's Super-vigorous' would still be considered of the same grex, that is Amorphophallus Bloody Giant. PS. Anyone out there have ideas for a name for Arisaema triphyllum (albescent form used, not that it matters for naming) by nepenthoides (one seedling growing); A.(triphyllum x taiwanensis); and Ellen, if they germinated, A.(candidissimum x sikokianum)? Bonaventure Magrys +More >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Your idea is an interesting one, but keep in mind that without the very careful documentation of proposed Amorphophallus hybrids, the taxonomy could become very confused, just as it is already in the many hybrids that exist of Anthurium, Caladium, and Spathiphyllum. Regards, Scott -------------------- Mr. Scott E. Hyndman Vero Beach, Florida, USA USDA Hardiness Zone 10a E-mail: > From: "Bonaventure W Magrys" > Reply-To: aroid-l@mobot.org > Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 18:35:16 -0500 (CDT) > To: Multiple recipients of list AROID-L > Subject: Re: AMORPHOPHALLUS @ Fairchild Tropical Garden > > Dear Craig, > Anthurium, Spathiphyllum, Caladium, and Calla, are among aroid genera which > have > horticulturally benefited greatly from a program of hybridization and > breeding. > Now that you have several species of Amorphophallus and relatives blooming or > ready to, together, howbout saving pollen from one and putting it on others > when > receptive, to produce hybrids? > The benefits, at least, may turn out to be hybrid vigor and decreased > maturation > time. Many unexpected surprises turn up also. > There would probably be a ready market for such seed or seedlings as many of > us > would be eager to grow up some of these.......... > > Bonaventure W. Magrys > Elizabeth, NJ zone 6 > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AMORPHOPHALLUS @ Fairchild Tropical Garden > > The growing season has started along the bay in Miami. I?ve been out of town > for several weeks and during that time the amorphophallus collection began > to break dormancy. I made a list of the species that are blooming, are about > to bloom, and or just finished. > > FG 941491 Amorphophallus gigas "inflorescence now 76" tall, spadix > showing but not mature" (ID84) > SOURCE: Don Evans: when the Wilbert Hetterscheid & Dr James Symon expedition > brought back seeds of the A, titanium, these seeds were included. 9/13/93 > BLOOM PERIOD: 5/99; 6/99; 4/24/2000 > HORTICULTURE: All reports given to me say it is hard to keep alive. > * It will be at tonight's IAS meeting (4/24/2000) > ..................................................... > > Amorphophallus haematospadix (syn.: A. siamensis) FG 961039 - > inflorescence now 13", spadix just beginning to show (ID2149) > SOURCE: Mike McLaughlin, Allen Howard, Jack Fisher: Malaysia: State of > Perlis: Gua Kelam Recreation Area: Mata Ayer Forest Preserve. 3 May 1996. > BLOOM PERIOD: 4/99; 4/2000 > DESCRIPTION: striking slender inflorescence, slender leathery leaves are > unmistakable. In 1999 the first inflorescence was produced. It lasted longer > than most species, more than a week. Over all it is 30" tall, taller than > any Mike saw in the rainforest. The stem is 18" the actual inflorescence > 12". The spadix is 1.25" thick, 10" long smooth and colored a deep > burgundy/purple. The spathe is white aging to lavender, darker towards the > base. The bloom stalk like the leaf has no mottling. It has a fragrance much > like rotting fruit, not of carrion as is common on many other species. > ..................................................... > > FG 961019 Amorphophallus sp. "inflorescence still wrapped in sheath" > (ID2313) > SOURCE: Dr. L. G. Saw; Collected Malaysia: state of Perlis: Guar Jentik: > Kaki Bukit. Malaysia Expedition 1996 (Jack Fisher, Allen Howard, Mike > McLaughlin) 5/4/96. > BLOOM PERIOD: 4/21/98; 5/13/98; 4/24/2000; > DESCRIPTION: When it bloomed in 4/98, it looked very much like (ID2314) > Looks similar to the A. prainii listed in Aroidiana Vol. 19, p. 112. > ..................................................... > > FG 961022 Amorphophallus sp. ?11inch inflorescence still tightly wrapped > in sheath? (ID2314) > SOURCE: Dr. L.G. Saw Malaysia: State of Perlis: Gua Kelam Recreational > Area: Mata Ayer Forest Preserve. Malayasia Expedition 1006 (Jack Fisher, > Allen Howard, Mike McLaughlin) 16. 5/3/96. > BLOOM PERIOD: 4/18/98; 4/24/2000 > DESCRIPTION: (Looks similar to the A, prainii listed in Aroidiana Vol. 19, > p. 112.) Looks much like (ID2313) 961019 but with out the recurved spathe > edge. The tuber is a very symmetrical pumpkin shape. The depression at the > top is very deep. > ??????????????. > > FG 80198 Sauromatum guttatum "several bloomed while I was away another > looks ready in 3-5 days" (ID1961) > COMMON NAME: Voodoo Lily, Monarch of the East > SOURCE: Dr. Jim French, from horticulture BLOOM PERIOD: 5/98; 6/98; > 3/2000 > DESCRIPTION: Inflorescence last only 1 or 2 days, smells like urine > ???????????????. > > (ID2741) Amorphophallus sp. ?in full bloom, inflorescence about 10-12? > SOURCE: Donated by Dewey Fisk: SLY 515 collected by Si-Lin Yang. Catba > Islands, Vietnam, collected on Oct. 20, 1994 > BLOOM PERIOD: 4/24/2000 > DESCRIPTION: Inflorescence is a small A. peonifolius > ???????????????? > > FG 961266 Amorphophallus sp. ?just about finished blooming. Inflorescence > is 32? tall? (ID2312) > SOURCE: Dr. Si-Lin Yang wild collected in Thailand, Chaing Mai. > DESCRIPTION: Looks like A. yunnanensis, Aroidiana Vol. 19, 1996 pp. 127-8 > ????????????????. > > FG 97630 Amorphophallus variabilis ?inflorescence is 19? tall, > spadix beginning to show? (ID2352) > SOURCE: Reggie Whitehead and Tom Moore collected in Java' Cibadak, 6/97 > BLOOM PERIOD: 5/19/98; 4/24/2000 > DESCRIPTION: not a large species > ...................................................... > > FG 961201 Amorphophallus lambii Araceae ? several plants have bloomed > this spring, they are all finished blooming. The inflorescence averaged 12? > (ID2307) > SOURCE: Dr. Jack Fisher: wild collected Malaysia: Sabah: Gua Gomantung. > Slope, deep forest shade. Inflorescence 35 cm. tall. Malaysia Expedition > 1996 ( Jack Fisher, Allen Howard, Mike McLaughlin) BLOOM PERIOD: E > 4/22/98; B 3/30/99; C 4/14/99; 8/99; 4/2000 > HORTICULTURE: The Aroidiana Vol. 19 mentions that this is a species that > does not thrive in cultivation. The article mentions that they seen to > decline for some unknown reason. > DESCRIPTION: Amorphophallus lambii is one that gets large. The > inflorescence has a distinct smell of urine. I noticed when B bloomed in > 3/99, the odor was slight in the day but started getting much stronger about > 5 PM. > > Craig M. Allen > Conservatory Manager > Fairchild Tropical Garden > 10901 Old Cutler Road > Coral Gables, Florida 33156-4296 > Tel. 305-667-1651 ext. 3320 > Fax 305-661-8953 > e-mail conserv@netrox.net > web: www.ftg.orgScott Hyndman on 04/25/2000 11:05:35 PM Please respond to aroid-l@mobot.org To: Multiple recipients of list AROID-L cc: (bcc: Bonaventure W Magrys/ADM/SHU) Subject: Re: AMORPHOPHALLUS @ Fairchild Tropical Garden Your idea is an interesting one, but keep in mind that without the very careful documentation of proposed Amorphophallus hybrids, the taxonomy could become very confused, just as it is already in the many hybrids that exist of Anthurium, Caladium, and Spathiphyllum. Regards, Scott -------------------- Mr. Scott E. Hyndman Vero Beach, Florida, USA USDA Hardiness Zone 10a E-mail: > From: "Bonaventure W Magrys" > Reply-To: aroid-l@mobot.org > Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 18:35:16 -0500 (CDT) > To: Multiple recipients of list AROID-L > Subject: Re: AMORPHOPHALLUS @ Fairchild Tropical Garden > > Dear Craig, > Anthurium, Spathiphyllum, Caladium, and Calla, are among aroid genera which > have > horticulturally benefited greatly from a program of hybridization and > breeding. > Now that you have several species of Amorphophallus and relatives blooming or > ready to, together, howbout saving pollen from one and putting it on others > when > receptive, to produce hybrids? > The benefits, at least, may turn out to be hybrid vigor and decreased > maturation > time. Many unexpected surprises turn up also. > There would probably be a ready market for such seed or seedlings as many of > us > would be eager to grow up some of these.......... > > Bonaventure W. Magrys > Elizabeth, NJ zone 6 > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AMORPHOPHALLUS @ Fairchild Tropical Garden > > The growing season has started along the bay in Miami. I?ve been out of town > for several weeks and during that time the amorphophallus collection began > to break dormancy. I made a list of the species that are blooming, are about > to bloom, and or just finished. > > FG 941491 Amorphophallus gigas "inflorescence now 76" tall, spadix > showing but not mature" (ID84) > SOURCE: Don Evans: when the Wilbert Hetterscheid & Dr James Symon expedition > brought back seeds of the A, titanium, these seeds were included. 9/13/93 > BLOOM PERIOD: 5/99; 6/99; 4/24/2000 > HORTICULTURE: All reports given to me say it is hard to keep alive. > * It will be at tonight's IAS meeting (4/24/2000) > ..................................................... > > Amorphophallus haematospadix (syn.: A. siamensis) FG 961039 - > inflorescence now 13", spadix just beginning to show (ID2149) > SOURCE: Mike McLaughlin, Allen Howard, Jack Fisher: Malaysia: State of > Perlis: Gua Kelam Recreation Area: Mata Ayer Forest Preserve. 3 May 1996. > BLOOM PERIOD: 4/99; 4/2000 > DESCRIPTION: striking slender inflorescence, slender leathery leaves are > unmistakable. In 1999 the first inflorescence was produced. It lasted longer > than most species, more than a week. Over all it is 30" tall, taller than > any Mike saw in the rainforest. The stem is 18" the actual inflorescence > 12". The spadix is 1.25" thick, 10" long smooth and colored a deep > burgundy/purple. The spathe is white aging to lavender, darker towards the > base. The bloom stalk like the leaf has no mottling. It has a fragrance much > like rotting fruit, not of carrion as is common on many other species. > ..................................................... > > FG 961019 Amorphophallus sp. "inflorescence still wrapped in sheath" > (ID2313) > SOURCE: Dr. L. G. Saw; Collected Malaysia: state of Perlis: Guar Jentik: > Kaki Bukit. Malaysia Expedition 1996 (Jack Fisher, Allen Howard, Mike > McLaughlin) 5/4/96. > BLOOM PERIOD: 4/21/98; 5/13/98; 4/24/2000; > DESCRIPTION: When it bloomed in 4/98, it looked very much like (ID2314) > Looks similar to the A. prainii listed in Aroidiana Vol. 19, p. 112. > ..................................................... > > FG 961022 Amorphophallus sp. ?11inch inflorescence still tightly wrapped > in sheath? (ID2314) > SOURCE: Dr. L.G. Saw Malaysia: State of Perlis: Gua Kelam Recreational > Area: Mata Ayer Forest Preserve. Malayasia Expedition 1006 (Jack Fisher, > Allen Howard, Mike McLaughlin) 16. 5/3/96. > BLOOM PERIOD: 4/18/98; 4/24/2000 > DESCRIPTION: (Looks similar to the A, prainii listed in Aroidiana Vol. 19, > p. 112.) Looks much like (ID2313) 961019 but with out the recurved spathe > edge. The tuber is a very symmetrical pumpkin shape. The depression at the > top is very deep. > ??????????????. > > FG 80198 Sauromatum guttatum "several bloomed while I was away another > looks ready in 3-5 days" (ID1961) > COMMON NAME: Voodoo Lily, Monarch of the East > SOURCE: Dr. Jim French, from horticulture BLOOM PERIOD: 5/98; 6/98; > 3/2000 > DESCRIPTION: Inflorescence last only 1 or 2 days, smells like urine > ???????????????. > > (ID2741) Amorphophallus sp. ?in full bloom, inflorescence about 10-12? > SOURCE: Donated by Dewey Fisk: SLY 515 collected by Si-Lin Yang. Catba > Islands, Vietnam, collected on Oct. 20, 1994 > BLOOM PERIOD: 4/24/2000 > DESCRIPTION: Inflorescence is a small A. peonifolius > ???????????????? > > FG 961266 Amorphophallus sp. ?just about finished blooming. Inflorescence > is 32? tall? (ID2312) > SOURCE: Dr. Si-Lin Yang wild collected in Thailand, Chaing Mai. > DESCRIPTION: Looks like A. yunnanensis, Aroidiana Vol. 19, 1996 pp. 127-8 > ????????????????. > > FG 97630 Amorphophallus variabilis ?inflorescence is 19? tall, > spadix beginning to show? (ID2352) > SOURCE: Reggie Whitehead and Tom Moore collected in Java' Cibadak, 6/97 > BLOOM PERIOD: 5/19/98; 4/24/2000 > DESCRIPTION: not a large species > ...................................................... > > FG 961201 Amorphophallus lambii Araceae ? several plants have bloomed > this spring, they are all finished blooming. The inflorescence averaged 12? > (ID2307) > SOURCE: Dr. Jack Fisher: wild collected Malaysia: Sabah: Gua Gomantung. > Slope, deep forest shade. Inflorescence 35 cm. tall. Malaysia Expedition > 1996 ( Jack Fisher, Allen Howard, Mike McLaughlin) BLOOM PERIOD: E > 4/22/98; B 3/30/99; C 4/14/99; 8/99; 4/2000 > HORTICULTURE: The Aroidiana Vol. 19 mentions that this is a species that > does not thrive in cultivation. The article mentions that they seen to > decline for some unknown reason. > DESCRIPTION: Amorphophallus lambii is one that gets large. The > inflorescence has a distinct smell of urine. I noticed when B bloomed in > 3/99, the odor was slight in the day but started getting much stronger about > 5 PM. > > Craig M. Allen > Conservatory Manager > Fairchild Tropical Garden > 10901 Old Cutler Road > Coral Gables, Florida 33156-4296 > Tel. 305-667-1651 ext. 3320 > Fax 305-661-8953 > e-mail conserv@netrox.net > web: www.ftg.org > > >

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