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--- On Mon, 7/7/08, ju-bo at msn.com wrote:
> From: ju-bo at msn.com
> Subject: [Aroid-l] Mosterar deliciosa--info. on different clones.
> To: "Discussion of aroids"
> Date: Monday, July 7, 2008, 12:07 AM
> ----------------------------------------
> > Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 19:12:03 -0700
> > From: lbmkjm at yahoo.com
> > To: aroid-l at gizmoworks.com
> > Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Mosterar deliciosa
>
>
>
> Dear Jason, Leyland and all Aroidophiles,
>
> Aloha.
> Vol 1 no. 1 also gave up another titbit of great
> information, as in his profile of Monstera deliciosa
> Madison states that "Several of the wild clones which
> are not widely grown are dwarf forms, achieving olny one
> third the size of the common ones." The synonyms he
> lists are also interesting, and food for someone with a
> better computer that I own to investigate. First off, the
> ''correct'' name is Monstera deliciosa
> Lieb., Kjoeb, Vidensk, Meddel 19: 9 (1849). The synonyms
> Madison lists are, in order--M. borsigiana Engler [could
> this name be based on the, or one of the dwarf forms which
> we saw a photo of from Marak, and which had this name
> attached???]; M. lennea Koch; Monstera tacanensis Matuda;
> Philodendron pertusum Kunth & Bouche; (???) and Tornelia
> fragrans Guttierez. To me it would be an interesting
> exercise to attempt to determine the
> ''why'' concerning these great taxonomists
> describing another specimen of such a VERY distinctive
> plant as a new species. If
> we could view the specimens involved, we just might learn
> that some of them, especially those of Koch, that of Matuda
> and Guttierez`s, might be the smaller dwarf forms which to
> them might have seemed to be distinct.
> I see where "Philodendron'' pertusa Kunth
> & Bouche is mentioned, we now know (thanks to Pete)
> this this is an Asain Raphiodophora sp. which in fact does
> resemble Monstera deliciosa.
> Ah, so much to ponder and learn, and so little time!
> Aloha.
>
> Good Growing,
>
> Julius
>
> >>Dear Jason,
>
> Aloha.
> I took a quick look at the cover of the first Aroidiana
> online and did not see Monstera deliciosa...so perhaps the
> caption is correct...but I am not familiar with Monstera
> acuminata, so unless I can check the description and
> herbarium sheet of a vouchered specimen..I could not verify
> this species. I would trust Michael Madison...Monstera
> acuminata K.Koch is an accepted name according to Kew.
> Monstera acuminata is very beautiful as I look at the
> photo. I'll check if we grow it here in Hawaii
> somewhere. The table of contents mentions an aroid profile
> of Monstera deliciosa, so perhaps this is where that memory
> popped in. I do not believe there is chaos in this case.
> Aloha,
> Leland<<
>
>
>
> >
> >
> > --- On Thu, 7/3/08, mossytrail
> wrote:
> >
> > > From: mossytrail
> > > Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Mosterar deliciosa
> > > To: aroid-l at gizmoworks.com
> > > Date: Thursday, July 3, 2008, 3:26 PM
> > > >It
> > > > dawned on me this morning I left out the
> part about
> > > > Monstera deliciosa having been the first
> plant
> > > featured on
> > > > a cover of Aroideana, so I've got a
> little more
> > > work to
> > > > do!
> > > >
> > > So, is this yet another example of "Chaos in
> Monstera
> > > names"? According to the caption, that
> cover features
> > > "An
> > > aroid laden tree in Chiapas, Mexico, with
> Monstera
> > > acuminata, Philodendron scandens, and
> Philodendron
> > > radiatum."
> > >
> > > Jason Hernandez
> > > Naturalist-at-Large
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