[Aroid-l] Chaos in Monstera names

From: lbmkjm at yahoo.com (brian lee) on 2008.07.02 at 17:00:56(18050) Dear Julius, Marek, and all, Aloha. This explains a good deal. Marek just posted his photos of Monstera deliciosa 'Borsigiana'( is this nomenclature technically correct?) that matches well with the plants I posted to Tom and Pete...a smaller variety of Monstera deliciosa. I have never seen these in fruit, but I will be on the lookout for inflorescences and other diagnostic details. I have a good grasp of Rhaphidophora tetrasperma in the vegetative state...now to see the inflorescences. Thanks to Pete, the descriptions are a great reference. At the end of this thread, we should have a little summary...just to clarify the collective findings. Aloha, Leland +More --- On Tue, 7/1/08, ju-bo at msn.com wrote: > From: ju-bo at msn.com > Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Chaos in Monstera names > To: "Discussion of aroids" > Date: Tuesday, July 1, 2008, 11:56 PM > ---------------------------------------- > > Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 12:06:35 -0700 > > From: lbmkjm at yahoo.com > > To: aroid-l at gizmoworks.com > > Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Chaos in Monstera names > > Dear Leland and Aroid Friends, > > Aloha. > Though I have not seen the photo as yet, this smaller > selection/clone of Monstera deliciosa ''ties > in'' to my memory of the discussion we had on this > forum some time ago. I believe Tom had said something > along the lines that the large form of M. deliciosa were > ALL from a single or a very few collections, as it (the > larger variety/species was rare in the wild, but a simular > or the SAME species, but in a smaller form was much more > common in dry areas of Mexico? The large var./form was a > selection (I suspect) based on the edibility of its larger > fruit? > I hope this helps. > > Aloha. > > Julius > > > Dear Tom and Pete, > > > > Aloha. > > > > I do not want to create more chaos here,but, via my > wife's email, I will send you photos of a Monstera? > that superficially looks like M. deliciosa, but has blades > only a third the size. The photos are of a clump many > years old and there are three or so roots per node. I have > never seen this in bloom...but, I'll keep an eye open > for them now. I have some sort of default on my server, so > could you post these photos on Aroid-l. My hand is holding > a leaf and from fingertip to palm is about 6 inches. > > > > Aloha, > > > > Leland > > > > > > --- On Mon, 6/30/08, Tom Croat > wrote: > > > > > From: Tom Croat > > > Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Chaos in Monstera names > > > To: "Discussion of aroids" > > > > Date: Monday, June 30, 2008, 9:14 AM > > > Dear Pete: > > > > > > > > > > > > I thought so and am glad that I was > not just > > > passing on nonsense. I am glad that I was > remembering > > > correctly. > > > > > > > > > > > > Tom > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > From: aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com > > > [mailto:aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com] On Behalf > Of Peter > > > Boyce > > > Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 4:16 AM > > > To: Discussion of aroids > > > Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Chaos in Monstera names > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Marek, Tom, etc. > > > > > > Sorry I did pick up on the Monstera thread a bit > earlier. > > > Tom is correct, M. pertusa is a Rhaphidophora (R. > pertusa). > > > > > > Rhaphidophora pertusa (Roxb.) Schott, Prodr. > Syst. Aroid.: > > > 382. 1860; Hook.f., Fl. Brit. India 6: 546. 1893. > - Pothos > > > pertusus Roxb., Fl. Ind. 1: 455. 1820. - Monstera > pertusa > > > (Roxb.) Schott, Wiener Z. Kunst 4: 1028. 1830. - > Scindapsus > > > pertusus (Roxb.) Schott in H.W.Schott & > S.L.Endlicher, > > > Melet. Bot.: 21. 1832. - Rhaphidophora lacera > Hassk., Flora > > > 25(2 Beibl.): 11. 1842, nom. illeg. > > > > > > Very large, very robust, pachycaul, > > > heterophyllous liane to 15 m or more. Stem > robustly terete, > > > 3-5 cm diam., Leaves dense along most of the stem > except the > > > oldest portion. Petiole shallowly canaliculate, > 15-30 cm, > > > pulvini indistinct; petiolar sheath extending 2/3 > along the > > > petiole, margins soon marcescent; lamina > (juvenile) rotund, > > > entire, apex abrupt acute, 13 ? 11 cm; (adult) > > > oblong-ovate, ovate in outline, 20-50 ? 15-25 > cm, > > > irregularly and asymmetrically pinnately cut with > the > > > incisions c. ? way to the mid-rib and sometimes > occurring > > > as ovate, apex acute, base subcordate, pinnae > 2-5 per > > > side. Inflorescence solitary on tips of free > lateral > > > shoots. Peduncle cylindric, very robust,15-18 ? > 1.5-2 cm. > > > Spathe oblong-ovate, cymbiform, ca. 18 ? 8 cm, > spreading > > > at anthesis, thence falling, yellowish to > somewhat pinkish > > > tinged; spadix cylindric, ca. 10-12 ? 2-3 cm, > base > > > oblique, sessile, yellow. Fruit > hexagonal-obconical, 18 ? > > > 5 mm, green-white stylar region sloughing to > reveal white > > > or yellow pulp cavity. > > > > > > Distribution. - Sri Lanka, S. India > through > > > N.E. Himalaya to Bangladesh, Burma and N. > Thailand > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Tom Croat > > > To: Discussion of aroids > > > Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 4:52 AM > > > Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Chaos in Monstera names > > > > > > > > > Marek: > > > Monstera friedrichsthalii is a > synonym of A. > > > adansonii but M. pertusa is not even a Monstera > as I recall > > > but rather a Rhapidophora (Pete is this not > correct?). M. > > > karwinskyi is a synonym of M. acuminate, not the > other way > > > around. M. obliqua has lots of synonyms. > Madison lists 7 > > > including M. expilata Schott but I intend to > resurrect the > > > latter. > > > > > > Tom > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com > > > [mailto:aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com] On Behalf > Of Marek > > > Argent > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 12:13 PM > > > To: Discussion of aroids > > > Subject: [Aroid-l] Chaos in Monstera names > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > Can anyone authoritatively tell if: > > > > > > M. friedrichsthalii = M. adansonii = M. pertusa > > > > > > M. acuminata = M. karwinskyi > > > > > > M. obliqua has no synonyms > > > > > > Best > > > Marek > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Aroid-L mailing list > > > Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com > > > > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l_______________________________________________ > > > Aroid-L mailing list > > > Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com > > > > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Aroid-L mailing list > > Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com > > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > _______________________________________________ > Aroid-L mailing list > Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

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