From: gartenbaureisenberger at web.de (Helmut Reisenberger) on 2008.06.24 at 09:54:45(17938)
Dear Leland,
thank you for your contribution. This discussions encourages me to go deeper into that theme.
So far I have taken photos of my Monsteras , showing the growing habit, leaves, some inflorescenses - mainly of juvenile plants. Some of the images I am using for my commercial offers, where I still go back to common synonyms to distinguish the different leave forms and growing habits. But in the product description I tell my customers the taxonomical truth, which commonly is difficult to understand.
Back to the photos: In addition to the images I have available straight away, I will take more detailed pictures of my Monsteras in my collection, including some unidentified ones, where I not even do know if they are Monsteras, Amyridiums or Raphidophora. I think I will create a big discussion with some of my species and I am thankful in advance for any help to put my "desasterious collection" in the right light.
As I stated before, most of my aroids collection had been put together from donations (mainly cuttings) which I received from old samples displayed in various old botanical collection in Central Europe, while in most cases hardly anyone could tell me, where the plants originally had been collected.
So I think any ID work would be very very valuable for all.
At the same time, I want to tell the forum about the fact, that there are highly intersting botanical collections as well as a lot of interested enthusiasts in Central Europe. Anybody interested? Do not hesitate to contact me for details.
regards
Helmut
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> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: "brian lee"
> Gesendet: 23.06.08 23:19:10
> An: Discussion of aroids
> Betreff: Re: [Aroid-l] Monstera question..
> Dear Helmut,
>
> Aloha.
>
> It is always good to maintain discussions about plants...more information is better than no exchange. I am very glad that Monstera and Schismatoglottis are getting some attention, because both genera have little known species that are extremely attractive and deserving of cultivation. Monstera is a difficult genus taxonomically...as are many of the genera that have juvenile forms and mature forms. Some Monstera take years to attain their mature morphologies...then their inflorescences should be examined and compared to the published descriptions....if they are readily available.
>
> Please send your Monstera photos so the forum can discuss them. I am really interested to see your Monstera tenuis. I wish all on the forum could see Monstera punctulata in person...it is an awesome plant with very large dark green with a glaucous tint leaves, with many fenestrations, and much longer than broad blades. These leaves can be longer than 5 feet. This species has been impossible for me to root and I have tried. Perhaps MOBOT has this and I heard they may have it in San Francisco...but that was before the culling at the conservatory. The only caveat I can give is...do not count your chickens and do not damage the mother plants....until more are spread around.
>
> Good to hear from another Monstera enthusiast...we will talk soon.
>
> Aloha,
>
> Leland
>
>
> --- On Sun, 6/22/08, Helmut Reisenberger wrote:
>
> > From: Helmut Reisenberger
> > Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Monstera question..
> > To: "Discussion of aroids"
> > Date: Sunday, June 22, 2008, 3:11 PM
> > Dear Leland, Dear Steve, Dear all...
> >
> > I have been always strongly interested in Monsteras, as I
> > have got donations from various botanical collections in
> > Europe.
> > Since a couple of years I never had problems in vegetative
> > propagation of various species. I have learned from Steve,
> > based on Dr. Croats valuable research work that different
> > forms, like M.acuminata, M.friedrichsthalii, M.obliqua, in
> > fact are only synonyms of M.adansonii. They vegetatively
> > look much different in juvenile and adult stage, but I do
> > have to accept, what the true experts say and what is based
> > on extensive research work.
> > To my opinion there I do not see a difference between
> > M.deliciosa and Monstera pertusa. If you have a juvenile
> > M.deliciosa, it starts like M.pertusa and in the adult
> > stage they look the same. Where is the difference?
> > My all time favourit, - and in Europe extremely sought
> > after for its beauty, - is Monstera deliciosa variegata
> > (alba). These I also successfully propagate through
> > cuttings. But I am still looking for the golden (yellow)
> > variegatred form, which sometimes had been offered in the
> > USA but never in Europe.( Maybe somebody can help).
> > I once found a most beautiful pinnate leaved species
> > climbing on a rock in the Botanical Garden of Darmstadt
> > (Germany). I got a stem cutting and when I rooted it the
> > juvenile leaves looked extremely strange for me until just
> > recently I found the images of a herbaria species in
> > tropicos. Now I know, it definetily is Monstera tenuis. It
> > proofed to be a very invasive climber, but so far I have no
> > adult leaf form yet.
> > I found a couple of Monstera lookalikes in different (very
> > old) collections, - esp. in Eastern Europe. But since
> > nobody coukld tell me about their origin, I have
> > difficulties to identify them. I do not know if thay were
> > Rahidophora, Amydrium, Epipremnum etc. But the first steps
> > I have done, clearifying between Raphidophora decursiva,
> > Raphidophora tetrasperma and Epipremnum pinnatum.
> > If anybody is interested I can send some images of my
> > Monstera collection.
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> > > Von: "ExoticRainforest"
> >
> > > Gesendet: 23.06.08 01:45:39
> > > An: "Discussion of aroids"
> >
> > > Betreff: [Aroid-l] Monstera question..
> >
> > Sherry, this link contains info from Dr. Croat on
> > /Monstera
> > > adansonii/ which includes several synonym names. I
> > hope this helps.
> > >
> > >
> > http://www.exoticrainforest.com/Monstera%20adansonii%20pc.html
> > >
> > > Steve Lucas
> > > www.ExoticRainforest.com
> > >
> > > Dear Sherry,
> > >
> > > Aloha.
> > >
> > > I do not know much about Monstera species
> > taxonomy...except that
> > > there are many species that are deserving of
> > cultivation. I use
> > > Monstera deliciosa in copius amounts in landscaping. I
> > know nothing
> > > of the variegated forms...although I do see many of
> > them. Regarding
> > > Monstera pertusa, it is a valid name. I have seen
> > so-called Dwarf
> > > Monstera and an intermediate sized Monstera
> > species...but never in
> > > flower. There are some Raphidophora species that look
> > like dwarf
> > > Monstera vegetatively. Hopefully someone out there can
> > add to this
> > > discussion as I am very interested in this subject
> > myself.
> > >
> > > I used to correspond with Craig Phillips on Monstera
> > before he passed
> > > away. Are there other Monstera enthusiasts out there?
> > I am very
> > > interested in growing Monstera punctulata from Panama
> > and Costa Rica.
> > > I do not know if others have this problem, but some
> > Monstera are very
> > > difficult to root from cuttings. I suspect Monstera
> > punctulata is one
> > > of these. Craig and I used to discuss this
> > problem...they sit and dry
> > > or rot. This is highly unexpected when you see the
> > vigorous plants...
> > > I have tried juvenile and mature stems at multiple
> > times. I am not
> > > the best horticulturist, but I can slice and dice
> > Monstera delisiosa
> > > in efforts at eradication and they root.
> > >
> > > Aloha,
> > >
> > > Leland
> > >
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