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brian lee wrote: Dear Arlan,
Aloha. That is definitely not Philodendron
adamantinum...compare that leaf with the scans I sent
you and also key it out using Julius Boos'
description.
Aloha,
Leland
--- a san juan wrote:
> Hmmm...now i'm not so sure what it is...it's very
> leathery and shiny, and the distance to the midrib
> is identical from end to end....
>
>
http://www.blueboard.com/pahatan/gambar/images/2007_5_8_d5734.jpg
>
>
>
> a san juan wrote: No
> problem....let me take a pic and post it....
>
> Julius Boos wrote:
> >From : a san juan
> Reply-To : Discussion of aroids
> Sent : Monday, May 7, 2007 3:14 AM
> To : aroid-l at gizmoworks.com
> Subject : Re: [Aroid] I.D.'ing some Meconostigmas
> ex: Brazil
>
> Dear Arlan,
>
> This is good news! Please send me a jpeg/photo of
> a leaf of the plant in
> question!!
> Also, check my 'key' below, as some/most of the
> plants that grew from seed
> labeled as P. adamantinum and P. saxicolum grew to
> be 'something' close to
> P. bipinnatifidum/'selloum', but are deff. NOT P.
> adamantinium or P.
> saxicolum! I just received a photo of one such
> plant, and I will forward
> it to you after this.
> Also check my 'key' (below)---- in P. adamantinum,
> the distance from the
> BOTTOM of the sinuses (divisions) when measured to
> the mid rib DECREASES as
> you measure them from the tip of the anterior
> division up towards the
> petiole juncture, while exactly the OPPOSITE is true
> of any P.
> bipinnatifidium-type plant. Check and tell me what
> you see in YOUR plant
> ex: Brian Williams!
> Bear in mind that we should EXPECT the plants grown
> for seed of P.
> bipinnatifidium to vary from each other, and
> especially when compared to any
> plant of P. bipinnatifidium in the U.S.A., the
> reasoning being that
> presumably ALL P. bipinnatifidium/'selloum' here in
> the U.S.A. are out of
> tissue culture, and so are clones of one another,
> and so will show little or
> no differences to each other. The plants from seed
> SHOULD show differences
> as they are NOT genitically alike!
>
> The Best,
>
> Julius Boos
>
> >>I got one from brian williams labeled "P.
> adamantinum" and it looks like
> >>it is growing as such. It definitely is not a P.
> bipinnatifidum at
> >>least.<<
>
> Julius Boos wrote:
>
>
> >From : Julius Boos
> Reply-To : Discussion of aroids
> Sent : Friday, May 4, 2007 9:20 AM
> To : aroid-l at gizmoworks.com
> Subject : [Aroid-l] FW: Philo. sps. seeds, S.
> Amer. Co.
>
>
> Dear Friends,
>
> Bear with me, I believe that we/I am pretty
> close to either solving OR
> giving up on this facet of my search for
> accuracy in this matter. I have
> not received any replies from anyone with whom
> Vic Soukup shared seeds,
> I
> can only HOPE that a few of you will step
> forward with information.
> I have made some notes on how anyone can I.D. a
> plant of any
> Meconostigma
> sp. mentioned by Vic (below), this may help
> those of us who may STILL
> have
> plants mislabeled and grown from seed sent from
> this Company. I could
> not
> do a comparison chart as I had planned, my old
> comp. (or my dumb brain)
> would not let it be.
> Google these species, there are GREAT photos out
> there, Arlan San Juan
> and
> David Scherberich`s sites come to mind.
> SO---here goes--
>
> Philo. bipinnatifidium.
>
> This seems to be the species that MOST of the
> seeds from Brazil, labeled
> as
> other species, grew up to be, so I will start
> here. It is a HUGE
> species,
> but we may have been dealing with smaller,
> sub-adult plants.
> Adult leaf blade often over 30" long, many
> divisions that are
> bipinnifed/divided, secondary divisions
> generally at least 6 cm. long.
> In
> juvenile/sub-adult plants there are sometimes no
> bipinnate/secondary
> divisions.
> Distances between the bottom of the sinuses (the
> spaces between the
> divisions) and the midrib INCREASE starting from
> the tip of the leaf
> blade,
> and going upwards toward the juncture with the
> petiole.
> Intravaginal squamules (the many thorn-like
> structures surrounding the
> point
> where the petiole joins the rhizome or 'trunk')
> are long (5-12 mm, 2-4mm
> wide at base), flattened, pointed and
> chessnut-red in color, easily
> detachable.
> Leaf-scars on trunk are elongated/oval, aprox:
> 6.5 wide X 5 cm high,
> colored
> light gray, with dark gray margins.
> Petioles sulcate in cross section.
> (Juvenile plants of this species sometimes can
> resemble P. saxicolum,
> but at
> this stage will have NO visible rhizome/trunk).
>
> P. adamintinum.
>
> This is a SMALL species, leaf blades in adult
> plants from 6 1/2"-13"
> long!
> Anterior divisions of leaf blade only sometimes
> have secondary
> divisions,
> very small/short, no more than just a 'scallop',
> under 1 cm long.
> Distances between the bottom of the sinuses and
> the midrib DECREASE as
> you
> move from the tip upward toward the juncture of
> the petiole.
> Intravaginal squamules decidious (falling off),
> sometimes persistant,
> small,
> 0.1-0.2 mm.
> Leaf scars on rhizome/trunk are greenish-gray w/
> chessnut margins,
> elliptic
> to
> Petiole elliptic to round in cross section.
>
> P. saxicolum.
>
> Another smaller species.
> Leaf blade no longer then 12"- 18" , divisions
> not as deep as in
> near/adult
> P. bipinnatifidium or especially P. adamintinum,
> never divided.
> As in P. bipinnatifidium, the distances between
> the bottom of the
> sinuses
> and the midrib INCREASE from the tip upwards
> toward the juncture with
> the
> petiole.
>
> P. paludicola.
>
> Leaves held errect to semi-errect.
> No intravaginal squamules on THICK
> rhizome/trunk.
> Leaf blade with shallow divisions.
> Distances between the bottom of the sinuses and
> the midrib increase
> rapidly
>
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