----- Original Message -----
From: "brian lee"
To: "Discussion of aroids"
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 10:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Aroid stamp=Taro=Colocasia
> Dear Julius and all involved in this thread of
> thought,
>
> Aloha. I do agree with the line of thought that this
> is a popular illustration and not necessarily a
> scientifically accurate depiction.
>
> Having said that, the Piko varieties of Hawaiian taro
> are indeed distinguished by having sagittate versus
> peltate leaf blades. They are cut to the connection
> of the petiole or piko...which translates to belly
> button or umbilicus. The depiction of the corm habit
> is similar...but not entirely accurate. Color in the
> piko varieties varies greatly and the leaf blades and
> petioles often have very ornamental stripes or blushes
> of color, etc. There are also plain green varieties.
> In Hawaii, taro cultivation reached a zenith and there
> are records that 150-175 taro varieties once existed.
> However, many of these cultivars are lost and exactly
> which names were synonymous is impossible to
> reconstruct. Today, less than 70 cultivars may still
> remain of the native forms...and some are very rare.
>
> I do remember the Sunday comics...not to the detail of
> Julius's magnificent memory, however.
>
> Aloha,
>
> Leland
>
> --- Julius Boos wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> From : Marek Argent
>> Reply-To : Discussion of aroids
>>
>> Sent : Friday, September 28, 2007 4:27 PM
>> To : "Discussion of aroids"
>>
>> Subject : Re: [Aroid-l] Aroid stamp
>>
>> Dear Aroidophiles,
>>
>> I have wracked my old brain, read ALL the opinions
>> on what plant this
>> artwork depicts, and have FINALLY come up with what
>> I THINK the answer might
>> be!
>> A saying that has stood me well in my life has been
>> --'When everything else
>> fails, read the instructions". With this ringing
>> in my silly old brain,
>> and with a VERY vague memory of a Colocasia (taro)
>> cultivar with a
>> sagittate, NOT peltate leaf blade, I dove into Deni
>> Bown`s FANTASTIC tome,
>> "Aroids, Plants of the Arum family".
>> And---AHA!!--Pg. 250!! There are on
>> Hawaii (and presumably in other areas of the
>> Pacific, such as Micronesia,
>> the small Islands and Atols scattered across the
>> Pacific between New Guinea
>> and Hawaii), SEVERAL popular cultivars named
>> "piko", with the posterior
>> leaf lobes open to the navel, or 'piko', exactly as
>> depicted in the artwork
>> on the stamps.
>> Perhaps the artist tasked with depicting all these
>> 'pretty-prettys' on the
>> sheet of postage stamps was given one of these
>> seemingly
>> common-in-the-region cultivars to depict in the
>> painting?? The corms and
>> head-sat (huli) on the same stamp are a fair and
>> typical depiction of a
>> taro/Colocasia cultivar. Mammy Yokum`s words, "Ah
>> has spoken' " from the
>> Sunday cartoon ''Dogpatch" by Al Kap come to mind.
>> (Let`s see how many of
>> you older ones 'out there' recall this!).
>> I hope this solves the puzzle!
>>
>> Good Growing,
>>
>> Julius
>>
>>
>> >>Attachment : micronesia89.jpg (0.16 MB)
>> Ok, here it is again. it's not 16th but 12th stamp.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Kyle Baker
>> To: Discussion of aroids
>> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 12:24 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Aroid stamp
>>
>> no photo available...says its a binary
>> file,,,good lord do they make
>> those anymore?
>>
>> kfb maine
>>
>> Marek Argent wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> The 12th stamp in this sheet is named
>> "taro",
>> but the leaf doesn't look like Colocasia
>> esculenta, rather like
>> Xanthosoma sp.
>> What may it be? I know that artist sometimes
>> don't see important
>> features for botanists.
>>
>>
>>
> http://photos02.allegro.pl/photos/oryginal/248/70/61/248706105
>>
>> Besides I read somewhere that in various
>> regions of the world,
>> different species are cultivated as "taro".
>>
>> Can anyone help?
>>
>> Marek Argent
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From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:05:46 -0000
Subject: No subject
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Thanks Pete,
I KNEW that you`d have an answer!
BUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!--Can I/we eat it??? Huh??? Huh Pete, can I eat it,
cook it and eat it??? Huh? Huh?? Huh Pete?? Edible??? Huh Pete???
:--)
Colocasia walalwalabingbang (AKA Julius)
>>Ah ha! Have just realized that this is the photo I should have checked
and
not the other which is now clearly Zantedeschia... blame 10 days in the
field and too much instant noodles..
This IS gaoligongensis; note the open spathe, the leathery, glossy
leaves
and the loose habit all very different to esculenta. This is close to
the
cultivar of esculenta (which is nothing to do with esculenta) called
'Fontanesii'
Peter<<
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:05:46 -0000
Subject: No subject
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Hello Marek,
All in good fun. Potatoes are much more expensive in my tropical homeland
(Trinidad and Tobago) than Colocasia or Xanthosoma rhizomes/corms, and
potatoes don`t TASTE nearly as good as Colocasia corms!!!
Colocasia "walawalabingbang"---for the benifit of us too young to recall,
the word 'walawalabingbang' refers to an OLD humorous pop-song from the late
1950`s or `60`s called ''The Witchdoctor", it came out the around the same
time as the funny song, ''The one-eyed, one horned, flying Purple
people-eater''.
In trying to pronounce and say the name ''Colocasia gaoligonensis'', the
difficulty I encountered in wrapping my tongue around THAT one somehow
brought the song with the word ''wala-wala-bing-bang'' contained in it to my
mind!
Julius
>>Hello Julius,
Don't you have potatoes? These rare tubers of Colocasia galabalalala you can
sell on ebay or send me as a gift :)
Marek<<
Thanks Pete,
I KNEW that you`d have an answer!
BUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!--Can I/we eat it??? Huh??? Huh Pete, can I eat
it, cook it and eat it??? Huh? Huh?? Huh Pete?? Edible??? Huh
Pete???
:--)
Colocasia walalwalabingbang (AKA Julius)
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:05:46 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID:
Dear Aroid Friends,
Steve`s idea is a VERY good one. Just from my association w/ the S. Miami
Aroid group and the many shows I have attended,
I offer this info.
To hold a show, and more importantly to KEEP holding shows consistently year
after year, a CORE group needs to be there or created. THESE are the ones
who will MAKE a show happen. It takes a HUGE amount of prep`s. for these
shows to take place, they just don`t "happen", and SOMEONE has to literally
take the lead chair, and of more importance, the ability to attract a core
group of friends/helpers to assist him or her in the the ''grunt work'',
which is a LOT. Brian and others have pointed out the difficulty of
transporting plants across State lines, etc., but hopefully a way can be
found to overcome this.
In Miami this kind invaluable group of persons has existed for MANY years,
some have been recognized for their effors and great accomplishments. I
hesitate to call or write their individual names for fear of slighting one
or two that I might overlook, but I think most of us KNOW who the
''foundation stones'' of the Miami IAS group are! I take this opportunity
to give ALL of you my sincere thanks for providing me, and many of my
friends and colleagues with many a year of GREAT and most enjoyable IAS
shows!!
I HOPE that 'out there' just might be a group of Aroid 'nuts' who are
willing to make some sort of show or sale come together, as with the big
upsurge in interest (well pointed out by Steve Lucas) seemingly Worldwide,
in buying Aroids, there is money to be made, and this may be the spark or
the ''match'' that convinces some folks to 'light a fire" and organize and
hold some sort of Aroid sale and show!
I wish you all well.
Good Growing,
Julius
>>Hello Aroiders,
I would like to make the suggestion of switching coasts annually so
that those of us on the west coast could have a better chance of
attending. I also do like the idea of taking the plants to the
people and having the show do some sort of country tour hitting a
different location each year that highlights a botanical garden or
location that would have a display of aroids for us to drool over.
I do suppose one of the most difficult issues would be the
transporting of plants for sale. Obviously a lot of the suppliers
for the Florida show are from that area and only have to load up a
truck to deliver the goods.
Bryan Lampl
Southern California<<
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:05:46 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID:
several pictures. I think there is a good chance this is an undescribed
species but I'll have to make my mind up first, after I've seen either fresh
or pickled material. The species group with the inclusion of taurostigma and
erythrorrhachis seems to be in a diversification flux in northern
madagascar. The species from Kalabenono has also been found on the island of
Nosy Mitsio. In fact this is the first time I see a Madagascan species get
morphologically close to the legendary Am. hildebrandtii from the island of
Nosy Be (never been seen in full flesh since an accidental sighting in
1980).
Cheerio,
Wilbert
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> Verzonden: woensdag 10 oktober 2007 3:56
> Aan: aroid-l at gizmoworks.com
> Onderwerp: [Aroid-l] Amorphophallus species Northern Madagascar ID?
>
> Any idea what this is? I've been told that it's a new species
> from Kalabenono, Madagascar, and I couldn't find any pictures
> to match on the Internet.
> Larry
>
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:05:46 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID:
Dear Adam,
Josef Bogner published on the genus. I believe that there was a discussion
on this plant some time ago on aroid-l, and there USED to be a couple or
three (wild-collected??) variations spread around, one was I believe MUCH
smaller than the larger form or forms, and even was given its own name by
collectors, but on examination of the sexual features, all are but one
widely spread variable species according to the experts. Tissue culture
produced one form in THOUSANDS of identical clones. The treatment w/
various chemicals during the tissue culture process seems to "do" something
to some plants, take a look at the article in the most recent Aroideana (Vo.
30) in the paper on Caladium humboldtii.
I hope that this little bit of information helps.
Good Growing,
Julius
>>There are two forms of Zamioculcas floating around - the now ubiquitous
form labeled as Z. zamiifolia or "ZZ plant" and another type that seemed
to pop up from time to time before the mass-produced form apparently
drowned it out in the marketplace. I was wondering if anyone has looked
into whether the less common version is possibly a seperate species,
regional variant, or what?
I have both forms in my office, so I end up staring at them when on the
phone, day dreaming, etc and notice the many differences between them.
Both plants are about the same size, potted in the same mix, and receive
the same amount of light and water (they are kept right next to each
other). Here are the differences I have noticed in my plants:
The uncommon type has half the amount of leaflets than the common form,
and they are spaced much further apart (the common type has leaflets so
close together they appear to overlap). The leaflets on the uncommon
form are also twice as long and noticably oblanceolate (broadest point
towards the tip), while the common form is shorter and more elliptical
(broadest in the middle). The margin is also slightly wavy in the
uncommon form. The geniculum is also positioned lower on the uncommon
form, while the common form has a geniculum much closer to the lower set
of leaflets. The shape of petiole between the geniculum and the soil
line also is noticably different. In the common form the petiole
thickens below the geniculum to its widest point but then abruptly
tapers back down just above the soil line. In the uncommon form the
petiole broadens below the geniculum very gradually to a point just
above the soil line, at which point it then abruptly broadens even more
to its widest point at the soil line (almost like a pony-tail palm -
Beaucarnea/Nolinia sp). I have not had either of them flower yet so I
haven't compared their inflorescensces.
Any ideas? Can anybody else growing the two forms confirm my
observations with their plants?
Thanks!
Adam Black
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