[Aroid-l] Use of the name "ExoticRainforest" on plant boards

From: Steve at ExoticRainforest.com (ExoticRainforest) on 2007.08.31 at 19:00:29(16189) In addition to Aroid l, I post on another site (which there is no need to name) using a different screen name. I also post on one or two plant boards using the screen name "ExoticRainforest". I did also post (upon occasion) on one "plant site" using the screen name "ExoticRainforest" but was never comfortable over there. The name of that site is totally unimportant and I would not encourage any of you to try to find, or use the site. Some weeks ago I noticed the "language" on the last site was far too strong for my use or interest. Then it became increasingly popular to call other users by slanderous terms. There was little actual discussion regarding plants, just the apparent enjoyment of slapping each other around. They appeared to think it was humorous and fun. I dropped off the board sometime in early June. But then I received a request to come back and answer a few aroid questions. As many of you can read here, I'm sometimes overly anxious to provide good information. I have a desire to get to the bottom of questionalbe statments, especially regarding aroids. While there to answer the question I noticed one thread I just could not understand. Mardy Darian had announced he was selling his land and entire collection via a local newspaper. I've spoken to Mardy several times, I just don't know him. Many in that group almost stood up and cheered. The name calling was ridiculous and of no value. I am aware of some of "differences" some have had with Dr. Darian, but my phone conversations with him have been generally pleasant. I suspect if that type of slander was sent to this board, it would have never appeared, and the writer banned. I told the site owner I would not be back and explained why. He went, well shall we say, "ballistic". Made numerous email demands I call him and explain my actions. He called the posts a "freedom of speech" issue. I did not respond. I'm now told (I haven't tried to log back on) I'm being personally trashed on that site. One reader also informed me it was suggested that someone claim the name "ExoticRainforest" and use it in order to try to slander my name by using the same techniques as many already use on the site. I would like for it to be known I would NEVER use foul language on a plant board. I don't use it period. And I would certainly never slander another human being in a public forum. Certainly not someone who has proven his skills as Dr. Darian. Its just not my style. I just enjoy talking plants. So if you run across a quote by someone using the name "ExoticRainforest" somewhere after August 29, 2007 and it does not fit the style on Aroid l, it was not me! And if you run across one prior to that date, consider it has likely been edited. I have too much respect for other growers and people as human beings. I trust you understand. And I hope to meet many of you in Miami in two weeks! Steve Lucas +More ************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/private/aroid-l/attachments/20070831/22f3ebf0/attachment.htm From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 05:33:49 -0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: Dear Susan, I too wondered at the 'dead air" after my posting--no bother, you can`t win 'em all. For those of us who MIGHT be interested, the painting which appeared in the Sept. 2007 issue of "Smithsonian" mag. on page 79, is by a Dutch artist, Albert Ecckhout, c. 1641 (!!!!!!), and is of a Brazilian Yapua "Indian" woman. Good Growing, Julius >>Maybe some of you are not interested and "zoned out" before the end of >>Julius's email.... Julius is an excellent cook, often making use of Aroid >>plant parts- leaves and tubers (or as Julius pronounces it, "chubas") Here is his recipe- yikes~! Julius, what was the name of the painting? Aha! A NEW recipe comes to mind!--- ''Soup/calaloo of immature Xanthosoma leaves, cooked together with neighbor`s arm and fingers, and boiled with 'chubas' of Xanthosoma, with roasted and peeled Montrichardia 'nuts' floated on the side". Desert --- a calabash-bowl of ripened and "river-chilled" Monstera deliciosa fruit, mixed with sun-ripened 'pois doux', a-la-cart." !!! NEXT year`s I.A.S. banquet in Miami can`t come around fast enough!! "Bon appitite" to all! Good Growing, Julius _ From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 05:33:49 -0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: Dear Susan, I too wondered at the 'dead air" after my posting--no bother, you can`t win 'em all. For those of us who MIGHT be interested, the painting which appeared in the Sept. 2007 issue of "Smithsonian" mag. on page 79, is by a Dutch artist, Albert Ecckhout, c. 1641 (!!!!!!), and is of a Brazilian Yapua "Indian" woman. Good Growing, Julius >>Maybe some of you are not interested and "zoned out" before the end of >>Julius's email.... Julius is an excellent cook, often making use of Aroid >>plant parts- leaves and tubers (or as Julius pronounces it, "chubas") Here is his recipe- yikes~! Julius, what was the name of the painting? Aha! A NEW recipe comes to mind!--- ''Soup/calaloo of immature Xanthosoma leaves, cooked together with neighbor`s arm and fingers, and boiled with 'chubas' of Xanthosoma, with roasted and peeled Montrichardia 'nuts' floated on the side". Desert --- a calabash-bowl of ripened and "river-chilled" Monstera deliciosa fruit, mixed with sun-ripened 'pois doux', a-la-cart." !!! NEXT year`s I.A.S. banquet in Miami can`t come around fast enough!! "Bon appitite" to all! Good Growing, Julius _ _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l --------------------------------- Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. --0-1779456978-1188755291=:73907 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Julius, I found him using Google Image, it's Albert Eckhout, if I'm looking at the correct photo- it is VERY disturbing. I didn't see any Aroids... but the thing at her heels looks like the "Chupacabra" they found in Mexico http://members.iif.hu/visontay/ponticulus/images/eckhout_tarairiu.jpg http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070831/ap_on_re_us/mythical_chupacabra And what is with the bruises all over her? Julius Boos wrote: From : Susan B Reply-To : Discussion of aroids Sent : Saturday, September 1, 2007 1:10 PM To : Aroid L Subject : [Aroid-l] Aroid art and recipe Dear Susan, I too wondered at the 'dead air" after my posting--no bother, you can`t win 'em all. For those of us who MIGHT be interested, the painting which appeared in the Sept. 2007 issue of "Smithsonian" mag. on page 79, is by a Dutch artist, Albert Ecckhout, c. 1641 (!!!!!!), and is of a Brazilian Yapua "Indian" woman. Good Growing, Julius >>Maybe some of you are not interested and "zoned out" before the end of >>Julius's email.... Julius is an excellent cook, often making use of Aroid >>plant parts- leaves and tubers (or as Julius pronounces it, "chubas") Here is his recipe- yikes~! Julius, what was the name of the painting? Aha! A NEW recipe comes to mind!--- ''Soup/calaloo of immature Xanthosoma leaves, cooked together with neighbor`s arm and fingers, and boiled with 'chubas' of Xanthosoma, with roasted and peeled Montrichardia 'nuts' floated on the side". Desert --- a calabash-bowl of ripened and "river-chilled" Monstera deliciosa fruit, mixed with sun-ripened 'pois doux', a-la-cart." !!! NEXT year`s I.A.S. banquet in Miami can`t come around fast enough!! "Bon appitite" to all! Good Growing, Julius _ _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. --0-1779456978-1188755291=:73907-- From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 05:33:49 -0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: Dear Jason and Friends, The entire image can be found in the Sept. 2007 Issue of the Smithsonian Mag. on pg.79, albatross in flight on the cover. Jason, as you suspected the image on Google has been 'cropped' or trimmed smaller, so the stand of Montrichardia in fruit is not shown, nor is the clump of either Monstera OR Philodendrons in the lower right hand corner. You can see the leaves of what I speculate may be a Synongonium sp. on the tree behind her Scott and Susan bring up a wonderful point to a dog lover like I happen to be. The dog in the painting is almost certainly a Xoloitzcuintle (pronounce THAT!), a rare hairless breed found in Mexico and down into S. America, I saw them in N. Peru when I lived there in Talara. This type/breed of dog is almost certainly the 'chupacabras' which has just been reported from taxas (Google it and the dog`s name). Good Growing (and eating!!!) Julius >>>Hi Julius, I found him using Google Image, it's Albert >Eckhout, if I'm looking at the correct photo- it is VERY >disturbing. I didn't see any Aroids... but the thing at >her heels looks like the "Chupacabra" they found in Mexico > http://members.iif.hu/visontay/ponticulus/images/eckhout_tarairiu.jpg > This image may have been cutoff. I seem to recall in the original message about it, he said one of her hands was pointing to the aroid. If you look carefully, you can see the tips of some large leaves at the far left, and I suspect in the original image, more of them showed. Can anyone find a more complete image, one that shows the whole leaves? As to her carrying dismembered bodies, I believe the artist was implying that her tribe were cannibals. The word cannibal, as we all know, was derived from Carib (think Pirates of the Caribbean, part 2), and surely the Caribs proper were not the only tribe in the region to have the practice. Jason Hernandez Naturalist-at-Large<< _______________________________________________ From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 05:33:49 -0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: Dear Peter and Friends, A most interesting post on many points, I`ll try to respond as best I can below each paragraph. In the past I have addressed many of these on aroid-L, but here goes again for the newbies! >>Dear Aroid Tasters and Survivors, The young shoots of wild Lasia spinosa are commonly used as a vegetable in Burma/Myanmar. Maybe the spines of L. spinosa have been an effective defense against herbivores, making nasty chemical defences less important.<< I saw a slide of John Bantas showing bunches of tied-together infloresences of Lasia spinosa on a village table for sale in I believe it was Thailand! Also, when the first wild plants of the MUCH rarer second species of Lasia, L. coccinia were discovered in Kalimantan, Borneo (paper in Aroideana by M. Sizemore and G. Hamballi), the plants had been left growing as 'weeds' in a rice paddy by its owner, as he regularly harvested, cooked and ate the young shoots! Leaves of several Amorphophallus sps. are used in this way, I am told. I believe that with heat and enough cooking, the 'itch' in most aroids is rendered harmless. Back in Trinidad, W.I. when I was growing up, ONLY the young, unfurled leaves of Dasheen (with a purple 'spot' on the leaf-blade above where the petiole attached to the leaf) were collected for our National dish, calallo and crab. With increasing demand, the leaves of ALL Colocasia vars. (Dasheen, eddoes, wild dasheen) are harvested and sold, and with enough cooking do not itch. >>Are the young shoots of other spiny aroids also edible? Is this a general pattern, or do some aroids pull out all the stops, so to speak, to make themselves unattractive?<< I don`t have enough information on this aspect. I do believe that all/most aroids might be edible with enough cooking. The problem would be to get ENOUGH of any one species to make it worth your while. Lasia spinosa grows in huge stands, as does Colocasia, but other aroids, even the spiny ones, grow sort of one plant here, one plant there, so you`d have hell finding enough leaves at the correct stage of growth! >>Have cultivated forms of Monstera deliciosa been selected for edible >>fruit, or are the fruit of wild forms equally edible?<< I debated this on aroid-L some years ago. As far as I know, modern man has not selected any particular clone of this plant for fruit production. BUT---did native Americans do this?? Who knows. M. deliciosa fruit has LOTS of edible pulp and a fewLARGE seeds, but one has to be careful when trying to eat the pulp not to bite into the odd seed secreted in this wonderful pulp, as they will itch! >>When and where did the monster become delicious? I would like to try that >>bowl of river-chilled fruit, but which river is best for it? Peter<<<< I believe that the fruit are prized in Mexico and elsewhere. The fruit of some Philodendron sps. are also prized as food in S. America. Whoever the author was who described it, he or she used 'deliciosa' as the species name to denote its culinary properties. This was also done by my friend Skip Lazell when he described a new then sub-species of green iguana in the W. Indian Islands that was particularly good eating, he called it Iguana i. delicatisimma! It differs from the more common green iguana (also GREAT eating!) by lacking the huge scale on its cheek. Whatever river 'shakes your tree' as a chiller, go for it!!! :--) Good Growing, Julius _ From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 05:33:49 -0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: Dear Derek, Count me in on an article on aroid recipes, BUT---we need to solicit folks in Asia and other countries for THEIR aroid recipes! [P. S. I WISH that the mail were quicker!] The Best, Julius >>Hi Peter, It must be the time of year (one issue of Aroideana in the mails and space in the next open) but so many opportunities for articles or colloquia present themselves. Let me know, anyone and everyone of any of these would be popular subjects (corm storages came up as a discussion recently) (how about: 'edible aroids', 'what my neighbours cook and eat', 'meals I have loved' ...), and I will try to drum up submissions for the next issue. This is your chance to set my feet on the path of righteousness as far as the journal is concerned - there will always be plenty of really serious taxonomy available (and I will be delighted to receive it) but I would love to leaven the mix a little ... Yours in hope and expectation. Derek (editor, Aroideana, for now.) P.S. I can rewrite if you are hesitant about submitting in final form, and will do so, with pleasure, at your request. -----Original Message----- From: aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Peter Matthews Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 4:22 AM To: aroid-l at gizmoworks.com Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Aroid recipes Dear Aroid Tasters and Survivors, The young shoots of wild Lasia spinosa are commonly used as a vegetable in Burma/Myanmar. Maybe the spines of L. spinosa have been an effective defense against herbivores, making nasty chemical defences less important. Are the young shoots of other spiny aroids also edible? Is this a general pattern, or do some aroids pull out all the stops, so to speak, to make themselves unattractive? Have cultivated forms of Monstera deliciosa been selected for edible fruit, or are the fruit of wild forms equally edible? When and where did the monster become delicious? I would like to try that bowl of river-chilled fruit, but which river is best for it? Peter _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _ From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 05:33:49 -0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: Dear John, I am pleased to see that the problem you were experiencing w/ Aroid-L seems to have been resolved by Steve Marak, thanks Steve! In a couple of weeks we shall be in Miami surrounded by plant people and plants, Steve and I will ask around and keep a weather eye open for the Philodendron sp., the Nocks and Denis Rotalante come to mind! Concerning the smaller aroid you recall which was eaten as a spinach in Br. Guiana, I have given this some thought. I really don`t believe it could be X. heleborifolium, as this does not grow in any quantity anywhere I have encountered it, and does not have a sagittate leaf blade. A 'suspect' would be X. acutum, which has a sagittate leaf blade, and is about the size of the plant you recall! We saw this aroid growing in quantity around old homes in Fr. Guyana, the young leaves could be collected, much like the leaves of the Colocasias growing around our homes used to be collected and calallo made with them on a Sunday. The leaves of X. acutum might make a good spinach! I will wait and hope that my friend can provide a photo of 'rickwanch' when next he visits Guiana. Hopefully your friend Dr. Birbalsingh will recall more details. We shall keep in touch! Sincerely, Julius >>Dear Julius, Thank you so much for your prompt reply, and thank you for copying in Ron Weeks. I already corresponded with Steve on this subject and he suggested I contact you. His P. tenue looks nothing like mine. Your description of the fowl-foot bhagi makes me suspect that this could well be the spinach. I am sure that it IS a Xanthosoma and maybe the leaves are pedatisect. I remembered them as sagittate but it's such a long time now. However, the fact that it's called "bhagi" in Trinidad (I am very familiar with the term, also used in Guyana) indicates that it is eaten by at least some people. I have not seen it in Grenada. Rickwanch I have not heard of, but the fact that it needs good cooking also ties in with my description. My friend Dr. Frank Birbalsingh of York University, Toronto, might recall from his childhood days in Better Hope, East Bank Demerara, this vegetable, so I'll ask him. I look forward to hearing more from you. Yours, John. -----Original Message----- From: Julius Boos [mailto:ju-bo at msn.com] Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 4:50 PM To: criswick at spiceisle.com Cc: samarak at gizmoworks.com; steve at exoticrainforest.com Subject: RE: Spinach >From : criswick Sent : Monday, September 3, 2007 5:42 PM To : "'Julius Boos'" Subject : Spinach Dear John, It is good to hear from you! I do remember you indeed! You will note that I have copied Steve Marak in on this, as he is the moderator of aroid-l, and he may be able to assist in getting your lack of mail into and out of aroid-L sorted out and corrected. I am also copying my GOOD friend Ron Weeks in Miami, as he was very familiar with the plants at Monroe`s place and just might have a lead on the Philodendron you seek, also Steve Lucas who may have info. on this W. Colombian species of Philodendron. I`m afraid that I do not know it, as I am mainly interested in the group known as the Meconostigmas, the self-heading Philodendrons. I`m afrid that in Trinidad, as far as I know, we do not grow the aroid you mention, known as spinach in Guiana. I will, however ask around, as I have Guianese friends here in WPB, Florida, and one travels frequently to Guiana on Buisness. I recall Eduardo telling me that in Brazil they have some fasinating-sounding edible aroids, and this one sounds familiar. There they also cut the entire 'heads' of ALL the leaves off a var. of Xanthosoma, and cook the whole bunch, old and new, as a kind of calaloo! We do not eat Xanthosoma leaves on Trinidad! There are some questions regarding the edibility of some aroids found on T`dad, for example Xanthosoma helleborifolium, called ''fowl-foot badjhii" (badjhii is an Indian/hindii word meaning spinach) because of its divided, pedatisect leaves resembling a chicken`s foot (this probably occurs on Grenana too), and Xanthosoma brazilense, called 'caribbean chou' or cabbage/spinach', both are not eaten as far as I know on T`dad, and I don`t know why. I did confirm that the leaves and blooms of Caladium bicolor are still used as a spinach in some areas and are called 'cachoo'. I just spoke w/ my Guianese friends, she recalls an aroid, different from 'sahena' (Dasheen/Colocasia) which they called 'Rickwanch' which they made a spinach with, it had to be cooked very well to avoid the itching. Her husband may be travelling to Guiana next, week and will try to photograph it for me, and MAYBE bring up a small corm, though the security has become so tight when flying it makes this difficult. Hopefully this note to Steve and Ron may bear results! Please stay in touch! Sincerely Yours, Julius >>Dear Julius, I often read your contributions to Aroid-L, but for some mystifying reason, when I try to contribute myself, nothing comes through. Perhaps you may remember meeting me a couple of times at Monroe Birdsey?s place. I live in Grenada and brought things for him and we used to exchange. One of the things I brought repeatedly for him, because he was always losing it, was a philodendron I collected on Colombia?s Pacific coast which Tom Croat provisionally identified as P. tenue. Nowadays, however, he is not so sure. It had amazingly long hastate leaves in relation to their width, thick and leathery. The ratio was similar to that of the leaves of P. spiritus-sancti. Now Ivan has killed my own plant (it was a slow grower) and I don?t know if anyone inherited Monroe?s, if he had any at the time of his death. Do you happen to know? Anyway, my reason for writing is that in Guyana we used to eat an aroid called ?spinach?. It was smallish, with dark green sagittate leaves about 6 inches long and was cultivated on dry ground as far as I know, and had a very delicious flavour. As I remember it, thorough cooking was necessary to avoid it ?scratching? your mouth. It was regularly sold in the market. I have seen it in Barbados, but attempts to grow it in Grenada have not been successful. Do you recognize this plant from my description, and is it grown in Trinidad? I look forward to hearing from you. Yours sincerely, John Criswick. From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 05:33:49 -0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: Dear Susan, Interesting! Thanks. I`m NOT surprised, it is a damn weed here if Florida too, just today I was tearing it out of a hedge on the job! The Best, Julius >>Came across this today: http://belizecitrus.org/cga/index.php?option=articles&task=viewarticle&artid'&topid=0&Itemid=1 Noxious From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 05:33:49 -0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: Dear George, John, and other 'aroid eaters', Thanks George, this is probably the plant that John is asking about! BUT---I am still unsure if the illustration/photo of the Xanthosoma on the site you so kindly located and posted is in fact X. brasilense. I refer you to my article in Aroideana Vol. 16, 1993. In it I record X. brasilense as new to Trinidad. The leaves of the plants on Trinidad are very hastate/trilobed, not strongly sagittate as in the plants in the photo/illustration on the page/site which George kindly supplied. So---we shall continue to try for the identity of the Xanthosoma used as spinach in the Guianas! The Best and Good Growing, Julius >>Hello everyone, Could it be the Tanier Spinach? Here is a link for reference: http://www.tropilab.com/tanierspinach.html I tried ordering once and, unlucky for me, the tuber/rhizome just rotted after I planted it. One time when I learned that an acquaintance once stay in Surinam, I asked about it and was told that it tasted quite good. George Yao Metro-Manila At 9/4/2007 11:02 PM, you wrote: >Dear Julius, >>> > Anyway, my reason for writing is that in Guyana we used to eat an >aroid called "spinach". It was smallish, with dark green sagittate leaves >about 6 inches long and was cultivated on dry ground as far as I know, and >had a very delicious flavour. As I remember it, thorough cooking was >necessary to avoid it "scratching" your mouth. It was regularly sold in the >market. I have seen it in Barbados, but attempts to grow it in Grenada have >not been successful. Do you recognize this plant from my description, and >is it grown in Trinidad? > > Yours sincerely, > John Criswick. From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 05:33:49 -0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: Dear Friends, I have had some time to browse the web-site kindly sent by George (below), and there are so many errors that I no longer have any confidence that the plant being sold by them as 'Tannier spinach' bears any resemblance to the actual plant in question, said to be X. brasilense. The illustrations they use on other pages is not of the species being advertized, eg. on their page advertising X. atrovirens, the plants in that photo are in fact Colocasia sp. By the way, they list X. atrovires leaves as also being edible, interesting! The illustration of what they claim to be X. brasilense appears to be from an old Botanical book, and could be of any sagittate-leaved Xanthosoma sp., it certainly does not look like the living plants of X. brasilense I have seen, which have acutely hastate, almost tri-lobed leaf blades. But yet they describe their specimens as having an 'arrow-shaped' leaf, this is puzzling. John`s memory is also of a sagittate leaf blade, and my Guianese friend described the leaves of her 'rickwanch' as looking somewhat like a small Colocasia leaf, NOT tri-lobed. Another possiblity JUST occured to me---in Guiana there is another Xanthosoma sp., small, dark colored, all-green sagittate leaves, and it has those little 'flaps' attached to the mid-rib on the undersides of the leaf blades. I have seen it called X. atrovirens var. monstrosum. I often make reference to it as a plant that you can see evolve vegitativly right before your eyes, as the off-shoots can look quite different to the 'mother'-plant. This would be exactly like the plant that John remembers! SO---the mystery continues, we need to see a photo of this Guianese/Surinamese plant!! The Best, Julius >>Hello everyone, Could it be the Tanier Spinach? Here is a link for reference: http://www.tropilab.com/tanierspinach.html I tried ordering once and, unlucky for me, the tuber/rhizome just rotted after I planted it. One time when I learned that an acquaintance once stay in Surinam, I asked about it and was told that it tasted quite good. George Yao<< Metro-Manila At 9/4/2007 11:02 PM, you wrote: >Dear Julius, >>> > Anyway, my reason for writing is that in Guyana we used to eat an >aroid called "spinach". It was smallish, with dark green sagittate leaves >about 6 inches long and was cultivated on dry ground as far as I know, and >had a very delicious flavour. As I remember it, thorough cooking was >necessary to avoid it "scratching" your mouth. It was regularly sold in the >market. I have seen it in Barbados, but attempts to grow it in Grenada have >not been successful. Do you recognize this plant from my description, and >is it grown in Trinidad? > > Yours sincerely, > John Criswick. From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 05:33:49 -0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: I agree, very interesting. In S. podophyllum, I have seen many adult plants, and the thickest rhizome I`ve seen I`d say was 1 1/4 inches thick, maybe 1 1/2 inches. Since in the article they mention other species, perhaps one of the other Syngonium sps. might have thicker rhizomes/stems (OR they have VERY small and thin people in Belize!) :--). Good Growing, Julius >>Very interesting article on the link provided. It states that Syngonium >>can attain a stem width of a human wrist! Has anyone ever seen this?<< Julius >>Came across this today: http://belizecitrus.org/cga/index.php?option=articles&task=viewarticle&artid'&topid=0&Itemid=1 Noxious Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. _ From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 05:33:49 -0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: Dear Steve, I`m in the smae boat as Russ! Maybe when Tom returns he`ll have an opinion! Julius >>I'm afraid I don't grow enough Anth's to be able to help with this one Steve. Russ ExoticRainforest wrote: > >A grower who lives west of Mexico City sent these photos. I'm trying to >help him with a possible ID. The plant was collected in Mexico and has >been in his garden for many years. Have any of you seen an /Anthurium/ >berry with this shape? It came form a Mexican "birds nest" form. The >spadices hang pendantly as can be seen in his photo > Thanks! > Steve Lucas >www.ExoticRainforest.com From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 05:33:49 -0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: industry hype of the tacky multi-colour hybrids coming out of Asia, = which make a splash in a trade show and then fade as their unsuitability for general growing and lack of interest by most aroiders becomes apparent. Prove me wrong on this, if you will. Let me know who to chase for a = serious article and I will try to oblige. As ever, Derek -----Original Message----- From: aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com = [mailto:aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Bluesea Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 12:04 PM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Aroideana Philodendron and anthurium were largely treated decades ago in = Aroideana. I have been highly disappointed at the over-emphasis of amorphophallus and other tuberous aroids in the most recent decades, so much so that I occasionally consider canceling my membership and subscription. Sadly, aglaonema, syngonium, raphidophora, epipremnum and other genera are only occasionally mentioned these days. I guess I'm old school, I find the tuberous aroids boring and only slightly interesting. I have no clue = why they have taken Society members by storm. Russ central Fla jlgate wrote: Dear Aroiders, I received yesterday the latest issue of Aroideana.It is always the same pleasure each time.If in the past Philo,Anthurium were largely treated = ,but now ,Arum and others mediterranean genus are not missed and the article = of Kerim Alpinar is especialy interesting! I find it more intersting than 90' issues;Thanks to all writers contributors for their useful work! I take this opportunity to inform aroiders who received from me in 2004 Amorphophallus sp. from Malawi bulbs that I can confirm the species : Amorphophallus impressus. One larger tuber has flowering in june and revelated his identity. A second species I collected in north Zambia also has flowering too for = the first time :A.mossambicensis. Those african species are not so hard to grow and corm storage is easier than Asian species. for the rest,we get the worst weather I ever experienced for a growing season: Lot of rains,few sun,low T° and no summer conditions...totaly = crazy! Without any doubt,I prefer dry and hot summer we had previously! Best regards, Jean-luc , France jlgatard at aol.com www.jubii.fr c'est une seule interface pour communiquer. Email, téléphone = gratuit, messagerie instantanée, 10 Go d'espace de stockage. Avec www.jubii.fr simplifiez-vous la vie ! _____ _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C7F512.38C835D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable style='font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:windowtext'>Hi Russ, style='font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:windowtext'> style='font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:windowtext'>As always your editor = welcomes suggestions for the makeup of Aroideana, which we all recognize to be = one of the few tangible benefits of membership (not to downplay the enormous satisfaction from the ‘intangibles’ that boost interest in = the family), but he journal can only include the material submitted to it and = endorsed by the reviewers. I am very pleased by what is coming in, but recognize = that there may be many members who would like other topics to be = included. style='font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:windowtext'> style='font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:windowtext'>From my viewpoint the whole aglaonema situation has degenerated into industry hype of the tacky multi-colour hybrids coming out of color=black face=Arial> style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:windowtext'>Asia= size=2 color=black face=Arial> style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:windowtext'>, which make a splash in a trade show and then fade as = their unsuitability for general growing and lack of interest by most aroiders = becomes apparent. style='font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:windowtext'> style='font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:windowtext'>Prove me wrong on this, if = you will. Let me know who to chase for a serious article and I will try to = oblige. style='font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:windowtext'> style='font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:windowtext'>As ever, = Derek style='font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:windowtext'> color=black face=Tahoma> style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:windowtext'>-----Origi= nal Message----- From: = aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com] style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of Bluesea Sent: Wednesday, = September 05, 2007 12:04 PM To: Discussion of = aroids Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] = Aroideana color=black face="Times New Roman"> style='font-size:12.0pt'> color=black face="Century Gothic"> style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic"'>Philodendron and anthurium were largely treated decades ago in Aroideana. I = have been highly disappointed at the over-emphasis of amorphophallus and other = tuberous aroids in the most recent decades, so much so that I occasionally = consider canceling my membership and subscription. Sadly, aglaonema, = syngonium, raphidophora, epipremnum and other genera are only occasionally = mentioned these days. I guess I'm old school, I find the tuberous aroids boring = and only slightly interesting. I have no clue why they have taken Society = members by storm. Russ central Fla jlgate wrote: face=Arial> style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Dear = Aroiders, face=Arial> style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial'> face=Arial> style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I received yesterday the = latest issue of Aroideana.It is always the same pleasure each time.If in the past Philo,Anthurium were largely treated ,but now ,Arum and others = mediterranean genus are not missed and the article of Kerim Alpinar is especialy = interesting! face=Arial> style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial'> face=Arial> style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I find it more = intersting than 90' issues;Thanks to all writers contributors for their useful = work! face=Arial> style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial'> face=Arial> style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I take this opportunity to = inform aroiders who received from me in 2004 Amorphophallus sp. from Malawi = bulbs that I can confirm the species : Amorphophallus = impressus. face=Arial> style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial'>One larger tuber has = flowering in june and revelated his identity. face=Arial> style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial'> face=Arial> style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial'>A second species I collected = in north Zambia also has flowering too for the first time = :A.mossambicensis. face=Arial> style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial'> face=Arial> style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Those african species are = not so hard to grow and corm storage is easier than Asian = species. face=Arial> style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial'> face=Arial> style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial'>for the rest,we get the worst weather I ever experienced for a growing season: Lot of = rains,few sun,low T° and no summer conditions...totaly = crazy! face=Arial> style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Without any doubt,I prefer = dry and hot summer we had previously! face=Arial> style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial'> face=Arial> style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Best = regards, face=Arial> style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial'> face=Arial> style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Jean-luc , = France face=Arial> style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial'> face=Arial> style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial'> href="mailto:jlgatard at aol.com" moz-do-not-send=true> style='font-family:Arial'>jlgatard at aol.com a> face=Arial> style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial'> face=Arial> style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial'> face=Arial> style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial'> face=Arial> style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial'> face=Arial> style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial'> face=Arial> style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial'> face=Arial> style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial'> color=black face=Arial> style='margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-botto= m: .0001pt'> style='font-size:9.0pt; font-family:Arial'> href="http://www.jubii.fr/jubii-partner-1.0/viewSimpleLogin.do" moz-do-not-send=true>www.jubii.fr c'est une seule interface pour communiquer. 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Avec href="%20http:/www.jubii.fr/jubii-partner-1.0/viewSimpleLogin.do" moz-do-not-send=true>www.jubii.fr simplifiez-vous la vie = ! face="Courier New"> style='font-size:10.0pt'> style='margin-left:.5in;text-align:center'> color=black face="Courier New"> color=black face="Courier New"> style='font-size:10.0pt'> style='margin-left:.5in'> style='font-size:10.0pt'>______________________________________________= _ style='margin-left:.5in'> style='font-size:10.0pt'>Aroid-L mailing list style='margin-left:.5in'> style='font-size:10.0pt'>Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com= style='margin-left:.5in'> style='font-size:10.0pt'>http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aro= id-l ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C7F512.38C835D0-- From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 05:33:49 -0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: industry hype of the tacky multi-colour hybrids coming out of Asia, = which make a splash in a trade show and then fade as their unsuitability for general growing and lack of interest by most aroiders becomes apparent. Prove me wrong on this, if you will. Let me know who to chase for a = serious article and I will try to oblige. As ever, Derek -----Original Message----- From: aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com = [mailto:aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Bluesea Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 12:04 PM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Aroideana Philodendron and anthurium were largely treated decades ago in = Aroideana. I have been highly disappointed at the over-emphasis of amorphophallus and other tuberous aroids in the most recent decades, so much so that I occasionally consider canceling my membership and subscription. Sadly, aglaonema, syngonium, raphidophora, epipremnum and other genera are only occasionally mentioned these days. I guess I'm old school, I find the tuberous aroids boring and only slightly interesting. I have no clue = why they have taken Society members by storm. Russ central Fla jlgate wrote: Dear Aroiders, I received yesterday the latest issue of Aroideana.It is always the same pleasure each time.If in the past Philo,Anthurium were largely treated = ,but now ,Arum and others mediterranean genus are not missed and the article = of Kerim Alpinar is especialy interesting! I find it more intersting than 90' issues;Thanks to all writers contributors for their useful work! I take this opportunity to inform aroiders who received from me in 2004 Amorphophallus sp. from Malawi bulbs that I can confirm the species : Amorphophallus impressus. One larger tuber has flowering in june and revelated his identity. A second species I collected in north Zambia also has flowering too for = the first time :A.mossambicensis. Those african species are not so hard to grow and corm storage is easier than Asian species. for the rest,we get the worst weather I ever experienced for a growing season: Lot of rains,few sun,low T° and no summer conditions...totaly = crazy! Without any doubt,I prefer dry and hot summer we had previously! Best regards, Jean-luc , France jlgatard at aol.com www.jubii.fr c'est une seule interface pour communiquer. Email, téléphone = gratuit, messagerie instantanée, 10 Go d'espace de stockage. Avec www.jubii.fr simplifiez-vous la vie ! _____ _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01C7F565.630F0820 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" = xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" = xmlns:st1="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" = xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" = name="State"/> namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="country-region"/> namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="City"/> namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="place"/> namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PersonName"/> style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Garamond;color:navy'>Dear = Derek, style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Garamond;color:navy'> :p> style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Garamond;color:navy'> = Actually those colourful Aglaonema hybrids from w:st="on"> w:st="on">Thailand, etc., are a lot = easier to grow now than the first ones that came out. The A. rotundum genes = made them a problem to grow but this has been bred out to a great extent, without = losing the red, in fact at some breeders’ places near w:st="on"> w:st="on">Bangkok I saw solid red leaves ! = I bought a cv. called Valentine with a lot of red which was bred by Dr. Mehta in = w:st="on"> w:st="on">Thailand and I just keep splitting it up and multiplying it with no more care than I = would give to any other aglaonema.. Aroiders may not go for them but I = think the general public will in that it’s almost impossible to get anything = any other colour than green, silver, etc., in a house plant. Now with = these Aglaonema hybrids, it is possible. But we will see how it works out = in the long run. style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Garamond;color:navy'> :p> style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Garamond;color:navy'> = = = = = John. style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"> style='font-size:12.0pt;color:windowtext'> style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:windowtext;font-weight= :bold'>From:

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