Re: [Aroid-l] Amydrium or Rhaphidophora

From: Helmut Reisenberger <gartenbaureisenberger at web.de> on 2007.07.25 at 09:44:49(15999) > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Discussion of aroids > Gesendet: 21.07.07 22:01:20 > An: "Discussion of aroids" > Betreff: Re: [Aroid-l] Amydrium or Rhaphidophora Hallo Christopher Rogers, ThankŽs for your contribution to the theme. I also want to thank Peter for his helpful advice. To all the aroiders IŽd like to start a further discussion about distinguishing beetween Monstera/Epipremnum/Pothos/ Raphidophorum/Amydrium and other very similar genera, so far that the origin of the single species is not known. I have, gathered, from different collections in Europe, a wide variety of lookalikes and would appreciate any help in identification. The Aroid Identification Center of course is a valuable help, but sometimes I get no results (eg. my Id request of an Anthurium, where even TomŽs identification is still not satisfactory) or at least not to helpful. Regarding Monstera, Raphidophorum & Co, can anybody recommend any helpful literatur (additional to the renowned books of Bogner, Mayo, Boyce; Deni Bown; Tom Croat or widespread articles in Aoideana)? Can anybody name a specialized expert on these genera? I can take picts of my "aliens" and would like to put them in the net, while I do the same in Aroid-ID. Best regards Helmut +More > Hiya Peter, > > Do these differences hold just between these two species, or are they good > differences between the two genera? > > Happy days, > Christopher > > D. Christopher Rogers > Invertebrate Ecologist/Taxonomist > ((,///////////=====< > > EcoAnalysts, Inc. > (530) 406-1178 > 707 Dead Cat Alley > Suite 201 > Woodland, CA 95695 USA > > ? Invertebrate Taxonomy > ? Invertebrate Ecological Studies > ? Bioassessment and Study Design > ? Endangered Invertebrate Species > ? Periphyton/ Phytoplankton > ? Zooplankton > > > Moscow, ID ? Bozeman, MT ? Woodland, CA ? Joplin, MO ? Selinsgrove, PA > www.ecoanalysts.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com > [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com]On Behalf Of Peter Boyce > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 1:14 AM > To: Discussion of aroids > Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Amydrium or Rhaphidophora > > Hi Helmut, > > The differences (leaving aside the generic ovary/ovule & fruit/seed > differences) are: > > Epipremnum pinnatum > Foliage leaves at more-or less one at each node. > Leaves with pin-holes along the mid-rib. > Shoot apex with matted fibrous material > Stems with irregular longitudinal crests. > > Rhaphidophora decursiva > Foliage leaves scattered and interspersed bu up to 7 nodes bearing only a > cataphyll. > Leaves without pin-holes along the mid-rib. > Shoot apex without fibrous material. > Stems without irregular longitudinal crests. > > Very best regards > > Peter > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Helmut Reisenberger" > To: "Discussion of aroids" > Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 7:33 PM > Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Amydrium or Rhaphidophora > > > Hi Peter, > Can You tell me the difference between Raphidophora decursiva and Epipremnum > pinnatum. > I have somme huge plants of this type in my greenhouse and the leaves are up > to 6 ft (2 meters) long. > My original plant is a huge climber - I think the only really big one in > Europe - in the HBV (Vienna Botanical Garden). > To my knowledge it always was presented there as Epipremnum pinnatum. > In the history of the identification of E. pinnatum You find a lot of > taxinom. changes. > Can You, Peter, as the expert, bring clearness ? > rgds. Helmut > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: Discussion of aroids > > Gesendet: 12.07.07 00:48:33 > > An: "Discussion of aroids" > > Betreff: Re: [Aroid-l] Amydrium or Rhaphidophora > > > > > > Harry, > > > > This is Rhaphidophora decursiva a trans-Himalaynan species from Nepal > > eastwards through Bangladesh, N. Myanmar, N. Thailand, N. Lao PDR, N > > Vietnam and into SW China. It can get very large (60 + m) tall and is > > distinctive for having shoots with the foliage leaves only every 4 - 7 > > nodes > > and the intervening nodes with a barct-like leaf (cataphyll). > > > > Cheers > > > > Peter > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Harry Witmore" > > To: "'Discussion of aroids'" > > Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 2:00 AM > > Subject: [Aroid-l] Amydrium or Rhaphidophora > > > > > > >I believe I got this plant from Brian Williams years ago but I have never > > > put a tag on it. I thought it was an Amydrium but now I believe it could > > > be > > > a Rhaphidophora species. It has never flowered for me. Is anyone > > > familiar > > > with this plant. Brian? > > > > > > http://www.cloudjungle.com/CloudJungle/Araceae/Unknown/AroidNoid.jpg > > > > > > > > > Harry Witmore > > > Cloud Jungle Epiphytes > > > www.cloudjungle.com > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/891 - Release Date: 7/8/2007 > > > 6:32 PM > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Aroid-L mailing list > > > Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com > > > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Aroid-L mailing list > > Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com > > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Aroid-L mailing list > Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > > > > _______________________________________________ > Aroid-L mailing list > Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > > _______________________________________________ > Aroid-L mailing list > Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

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