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To: 'Discussion
of aroids'
Sent: Thursday, June 28,
2007 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] black
warocqueanum
Steve ,Well you were right the added attention drove the
price of the black Warocquenum up ,past my bid,,,, Seems that was sold by the
HawaiianSunshine Nursey .. anyone know of them ? seems like I bought
plants from them a few years ago directly , suspect we will see more offered
, but I did win the Regal hybrid will post some
photo’s when I get it .. & they will be better than the Ebay
photo’s & I’ll compare it to my plant in the greenhouse right
now pix attached … dsc06825 is a new leaf still growing
dsc06826 old leaf about 1 ½ years old (I repotted in my new mix &
Boom now it’s Cranking)…. thanx Steve , look forward to
meeting up with you in Miami Mike Mahan
From:
aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com] On
Behalf Of ExoticRainforest
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 12:33 AM
To: Discussion of aroids
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] black warocqueanum
I think those of us who have
tried to find out who the seller is changed our opinion as to this being
"hype" once more facts came to light. The biggest problem
appears to be the seller was new to eBay and eBay sellers are notorious for
claiming something is "rare" or "new" or some other
descriptive term when it can often be bought almost anywhere. The black
"waroc" may go through the roof but that's the nature of eBay.
If people want it the price will rise. As for the A. regale, it
was pointed out to me the photo had a man standing behind the leaf that makes
the leaf appear quite large. I had to stare at it awhile to see it for
myself. And as most of you read, Betsy pointed out it is possible for A.
regale to grow a 6 foot leaf. I just have not been able to find
anything in my literature that states that but Betsy has been to Peru and
seen the plant in the natural state. Now I'm waiting for mine to get that
big!
I think perhaps some of us
have become too jaded when it comes to plants on eBay and can't always see the
"plants" for the "trees". And I can't agree with you
more regarding Enid's plants! She's the best.
Steve Lucas
www.ExoticRainforest.com
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To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 26,
2007 1:38 AM
Subject: [Aroid-l] black
warocqueanum
steve -
i can speak a bit to david fell's ebay listings to which you
refer. i do not know david (vriesea2003). i do not know anything about
him. but i bought one of his regale x "black warocqueanum"
hybrids a few weeks ago. i certainly don't know for sure what exactly i have,
but it is a huge plant for an ebay seedling and in perfect shape with a pot
chock full of great roots. the photo on the web is of the one he sold me, and
the newest leaf to the top left is over 18" long. i paid $46 for it and am
quite satisfied.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Anthurium-regale-seedling-possible-hybrid-6-pot_W0QQitemZ220124238597QQihZ012QQcategoryZ25463QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
i believe you have not read his listing carefully. first, he
does not advertise it as anthurium regale, but rather as "anthurium regale
seedling (possible hybrid)"
second, he does not say that anthurium regale has leaves 6
ft long. he says, "Anthurium regale is a truly magnificent plant. It
grows to 6 ft. or larger and has leaves almost a yard long."
"leaves almost a yard long" seems well within your
description - smaller than mardy's plant.
regarding the "black warocqueanum," i think it's
actually pretty straightforward of david to say,
"While it is similar to A. warocqueanum there are many
important differences, such as the leaf color which is much blacker than
warocqueanum and it has silver veins as opposed to chartreuse veins of
warocqueanum. The leaves are almost flat compared to the slight cupping
of warocqueanum and the spadix is almost pure white. It also has a very
small seed."
he doesn't hype it as something it's not. he doesn't say
"incredible" or "fantastic" or "last one you'll see
for a long time." he just says it's similar to warocqueanum, with a
few differences that he names. the reader is allowed to decide whether those
differences are significant or just minor variations. how can you be more
straightforward than that?
i am not always satisfied with the plants i order from ebay
or from any mail-order source for that matter. well, except for those from
enid. her plants are always great. but i am quite satisfied with my plant from
david fell. i hope this post doesn't boost the bidding for his "black
warocqueanum" up too high, as i may bid for it myself, but he seems honest
and fair to me.
best,
john s. smolowe
menlo park, ca
Subject:
Re: [Aroid-l] black warocqueanum ? not discribed yet?
Is
it hype? Honestly I can't say, perhaps Tom will comment but he and I have
had conversations about color variations and they don't add up to
"undescribed" species. However, the same seller is selling
an Anthurium regale which he claims can grow 6 foot leaves!
Now I thought mine was big with a 30 inch leaf and Doc Darian had grown a whopper
with a 48 inch leaf! Either this seller has not read any scientific books
or is using some darn good fertilizer! Perhaps just a bit of hype?
Perhaps.
Steve
Lucas
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