aroid-L vs FB [was:Zamioculcas - like Gonatopus ?

From: "Bernhard." <strowi at t-online.de> on 2018.08.07 at 09:32:15(23891) Well folks, you see I am not a native speaker..... ...so please write a message to "remind" people that the aroid-L is still active and that peopöe can post pics... Happy posting, Bernhard. HTML +More Am 07.08.2018 um 10:02 schrieb StroWi@t-online.de: Peter, this is a very nice comment on FB - I still regret the day (I guess it was an aroid-L member) when the amorphophalllus group in FB was opened; well, it has it advatages like easy posting pictures etc and the manyfold contacts to people all over the world; but you pint out nicely the disadvatages - let alone the advatages for Mr. Zuckerberg.. I was remarkable how quickly the aroid-L lost the active members who definitely all switched to FB... I never joined FB and probably never will - interesting that more and more people dislike FB; we'll see what happens... Anyhow, since you are a FB member, Peter, what about writing a post there to remember people that the aroid-L is still there; after it is posseble to post pictures here as well, it is more attractive again - maybe even all the nice people and experts in Amorphs etc. like Lord P., Alan G., Steve J, Christian T., Susan B., Tom C., Tony A., Scott H., Lester K., Marek A., Albert H., Steve M., and and and..... (sorry to all I do not mention in a hurry.....) think about it and come back or reregister.... Just my 2ct.... Happy growing, Bernhard. -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: Re: [Aroid-l] Zamioculcas - like Gonatopus ? Datum: 2018-08-07T08:56:36+0200 Von: "Peter Boyce" An: "Discussion of aroids" Steve and all... I for one would be delighted to see Aroid-L with a new lease of life - the sheer quantity of "messages" I get when posting anything on FB has led me to being very selective, not to say the annoyance of trying to re-find a post that only moments earlier was on the screen but is now buried under a mass of images of peoples' food interspersed with persistent adverts for incontinence products. Anyhow... in the vein of sharing... here is a nice dwarf Schismatoglottis we are in the process of describing for inclusion in the next Aroideana. Peter ? --------------032F041253D785274D210813-- --==============I80000488356849403==

From: Steve Marak <samarak at gizmoworks.com> on 2018.08.07 at 16:37:27(23894) What seems to happen is that people don't actually unsubscribe from Aroid-L - they just stop posting. When enough people stop posting, then someone will create a new forum using whatever the current technology is, and everyone joins that because that's where the action is, at least for a while. A lot of the community is the same across all the different fora, because we don't want to miss out. But we're all still here, and we will respond if poked a bit, as the response to Jude's post shows. Usenet groups were the first such gathering places of which I'm aware (and it was mostly computer geeks on Usenet, because mostly only we had access at the time), following by mailing lists (Aroid-L dates to the early 1990s), followed by web-based "forums", followed by Facebook and other social media. Who knows what's next? Mailing lists may actually be the crocodiles of the Internet forum world, surviving with minimal changes through the evolution and extinction of other, more transient species. My own opinion is that's because (a) everyone has email, regardless of what other fora they also use, and (b) the mailing list brings the posts to you without you having to do anything. Web-based fora and social media require at least some initiative to go visit the site or start their app, which is why they nag you relentlessly to do so. (Nice Schismatoglottis, Peter!) Steve HTML +More On 8/7/2018 3:02 AM, StroWi@t-online.de wrote: Peter, this is a very nice comment on FB - I still regret the day (I guess it was an aroid-L member) when the amorphophalllus group in FB was opened; well, it has it advatages like easy posting pictures etc and the manyfold contacts to people all over the world; but you pint out nicely the disadvatages - let alone the advatages for Mr. Zuckerberg.. I was remarkable how quickly the aroid-L lost the active members who definitely all switched to FB... I never joined FB and probably never will - interesting that more and more people dislike FB; we'll see what happens... Anyhow, since you are a FB member, Peter, what about writing a post there to remember people that the aroid-L is still there; after it is posseble to post pictures here as well, it is more attractive again - maybe even all the nice people and experts in Amorphs etc. like Lord P., Alan G., Steve J, Christian T., Susan B., Tom C., Tony A., Scott H., Lester K., Marek A., Albert H., Steve M., and and and..... (sorry to all I do not mention in a hurry.....) think about it and come back or reregister.... Just my 2ct.... Happy growing, Bernhard. -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: Re: [Aroid-l] Zamioculcas - like Gonatopus ? Datum: 2018-08-07T08:56:36+0200 Von: "Peter Boyce" An: "Discussion of aroids" Steve and all... I for one would be delighted to see Aroid-L with a new lease of life - the sheer quantity of "messages" I get when posting anything on FB has led me to being very selective, not to say the annoyance of trying to re-find a post that only moments earlier was on the screen but is now buried under a mass of images of peoples' food interspersed with persistent adverts for incontinence products. Anyhow... in the vein of sharing... here is a nice dwarf Schismatoglottis we are in the process of describing for inclusion in the next Aroideana. Peter ? _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l --------------7639AD5F8B54B57555B8CE46-- --==============�33372811236096737==

From: The Silent Seed <tylus.seklos at gmail.com> on 2018.08.07 at 17:13:54(23900) Nicely put, Steve, And yes, gorgeous Shismatoglottis. Haven't seen any in a while. All the best, Jude HTML +More On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 12:37 PM, Steve Marak wrote: What seems to happen is that people don't actually unsubscribe from Aroid-L - they just stop posting. When enough people stop posting, then someone will create a new forum using whatever the current technology is, and everyone joins that because that's where the action is, at least for a while. A lot of the community is the same across all the different fora, because we don't want to miss out. But we're all still here, and we will respond if poked a bit, as the response to Jude's post shows. Usenet groups were the first such gathering places of which I'm aware (and it was mostly computer geeks on Usenet, because mostly only we had access at the time), following by mailing lists (Aroid-L dates to the early 1990s), followed by web-based "forums", followed by Facebook and other social media. Who knows what's next? Mailing lists may actually be the crocodiles of the Internet forum world, surviving with minimal changes through the evolution and extinction of other, more transient species. My own opinion is that's because (a) everyone has email, regardless of what other fora they also use, and (b) the mailing list brings the posts to you without you having to do anything. Web-based fora and social media require at least some initiative to go visit the site or start their app, which is why they nag you relentlessly to do so. (Nice Schismatoglottis, Peter!) Steve On 8/7/2018 3:02 AM, StroWi@t-online.de wrote: Peter, this is a very nice comment on FB - I still regret the day (I guess it was an aroid-L member) when the amorphophalllus group in FB was opened; well, it has it advatages like easy posting pictures etc and the manyfold contacts to people all over the world; but you pint out nicely the disadvatages - let alone the advatages for Mr. Zuckerberg.. I was remarkable how quickly the aroid-L lost the active members who definitely all switched to FB... I never joined FB and probably never will - interesting that more and more people dislike FB; we'll see what happens... Anyhow, since you are a FB member, Peter, what about writing a post there to remember people that the aroid-L is still there; after it is posseble to post pictures here as well, it is more attractive again - maybe even all the nice people and experts in Amorphs etc. like Lord P., Alan G., Steve J, Christian T., Susan B., Tom C., Tony A., Scott H., Lester K., Marek A., Albert H., Steve M., and and and..... (sorry to all I do not mention in a hurry.....) think about it and come back or reregister.... Just my 2ct.... Happy growing, Bernhard. -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: Re: [Aroid-l] Zamioculcas - like Gonatopus ? Datum: 2018-08-07T08:56:36+0200 Von: "Peter Boyce" An: "Discussion of aroids" Steve and all... I for one would be delighted to see Aroid-L with a new lease of life - the sheer quantity of "messages" I get when posting anything on FB has led me to being very selective, not to say the annoyance of trying to re-find a post that only moments earlier was on the screen but is now buried under a mass of images of peoples' food interspersed with persistent adverts for incontinence products. Anyhow... in the vein of sharing... here is a nice dwarf Schismatoglottis we are in the process of describing for inclusion in the next Aroideana. Peter  _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l -- The Silent Seed Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. thesilentseed.com --000000000000d3ec4c0572db845b-- --==============�99359359574207261==

From: a sunjian <asjbiotek at gmail.com> on 2018.08.07 at 17:29:36(23904) FB is easier on the pics, but you gotta log on to it to check messages. Aroid-L is easy because it just drops into your inbox ;-) I don't think people should exclusively use one media or another...for example, I'm a member of various email discussion groups and FB groups too. HTML +More On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 4:02 AM, StroWi@t-online.de wrote: Peter, this is a very nice comment on FB - I still regret the day (I guess it was an aroid-L member) when the amorphophalllus group in FB was opened; well, it has it advatages like easy posting pictures etc and the manyfold contacts to people all over the world; but you pint out nicely the disadvatages - let alone the advatages for Mr. Zuckerberg.. I was remarkable how quickly the aroid-L lost the active members who definitely all switched to FB... I never joined FB and probably never will - interesting that more and more people dislike FB; we'll see what happens... Anyhow, since you are a FB member, Peter, what about writing a post there to remember people that the aroid-L is still there; after it is posseble to post pictures here as well, it is more attractive again - maybe even all the nice people and experts in Amorphs etc. like Lord P., Alan G., Steve J, Christian T., Susan B., Tom C., Tony A., Scott H., Lester K., Marek A., Albert H., Steve M., and and and..... (sorry to all I do not mention in a hurry.....) think about it and come back or reregister.... Just my 2ct.... Happy growing, Bernhard. -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: Re: [Aroid-l] Zamioculcas - like Gonatopus ? Datum: 2018-08-07T08:56:36+0200 Von: "Peter Boyce" An: "Discussion of aroids" Steve and all... I for one would be delighted to see Aroid-L with a new lease of life - the sheer quantity of "messages" I get when posting anything on FB has led me to being very selective, not to say the annoyance of trying to re-find a post that only moments earlier was on the screen but is now buried under a mass of images of peoples' food interspersed with persistent adverts for incontinence products. Anyhow... in the vein of sharing... here is a nice dwarf Schismatoglottis we are in the process of describing for inclusion in the next Aroideana. Peter  _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l --000000000000fb22010572dbbcbb-- --==============E72886973292503777==

From: a sunjian <asjbiotek at gmail.com> on 2018.08.07 at 18:08:45(23906) The one thing I don't like about aroid-L is the fact that because it's moderated messages do not immediately go out to the group. It's slightly annoying to have to wait, and it prevents better conversations as you don't get the smooth back and forth that you see in non-moderated email groups. On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 12:37 PM, Steve Marak wrote: What seems to happen is that people don't actually unsubscribe from Aroid-L - they just stop posting. When enough people stop posting, then someone will create a new forum using whatever the current technology is, and everyone joins that because that's where the action is, at least for a while. A lot of the community is the same across all the different fora, because we don't want to miss out. But we're all still here, and we will respond if poked a bit, as the response to Jude's post shows. Usenet groups were the first such gathering places of which I'm aware (and it was mostly computer geeks on Usenet, because mostly only we had access at the time), following by mailing lists (Aroid-L dates to the early 1990s), followed by web-based "forums", followed by Facebook and other social media. Who knows what's next? HTML +More Mailing lists may actually be the crocodiles of the Internet forum world, surviving with minimal changes through the evolution and extinction of other, more transient species. My own opinion is that's because (a) everyone has email, regardless of what other fora they also use, and (b) the mailing list brings the posts to you without you having to do anything. Web-based fora and social media require at least some initiative to go visit the site or start their app, which is why they nag you relentlessly to do so. (Nice Schismatoglottis, Peter!) Steve On 8/7/2018 3:02 AM, StroWi@t-online.de wrote: Peter, this is a very nice comment on FB - I still regret the day (I guess it was an aroid-L member) when the amorphophalllus group in FB was opened; well, it has it advatages like easy posting pictures etc and the manyfold contacts to people all over the world; but you pint out nicely the disadvatages - let alone the advatages for Mr. Zuckerberg.. I was remarkable how quickly the aroid-L lost the active members who definitely all switched to FB... I never joined FB and probably never will - interesting that more and more people dislike FB; we'll see what happens... Anyhow, since you are a FB member, Peter, what about writing a post there to remember people that the aroid-L is still there; after it is posseble to post pictures here as well, it is more attractive again - maybe even all the nice people and experts in Amorphs etc. like Lord P., Alan G., Steve J, Christian T., Susan B., Tom C., Tony A., Scott H., Lester K., Marek A., Albert H., Steve M., and and and..... (sorry to all I do not mention in a hurry.....) think about it and come back or reregister.... Just my 2ct.... Happy growing, Bernhard. -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: Re: [Aroid-l] Zamioculcas - like Gonatopus ? Datum: 2018-08-07T08:56:36+0200 Von: "Peter Boyce" An: "Discussion of aroids" Steve and all... I for one would be delighted to see Aroid-L with a new lease of life - the sheer quantity of "messages" I get when posting anything on FB has led me to being very selective, not to say the annoyance of trying to re-find a post that only moments earlier was on the screen but is now buried under a mass of images of peoples' food interspersed with persistent adverts for incontinence products. Anyhow... in the vein of sharing... here is a nice dwarf Schismatoglottis we are in the process of describing for inclusion in the next Aroideana. Peter  _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l --000000000000f39dbb0572dc4877-- --==============�10919751400015886==

From: Steve Marak <samarak at gizmoworks.com> on 2018.08.07 at 19:33:31(23907) I absolutely agree. (Not to mention I'd enjoy a vacation from doing that job ...) There's a lot of history behind Aroid-L being moderated, most of which doesn't apply now (controlling what went out under the domain of the owners of the servers we were using, stamping out flame wars, etc.). I did unmoderate Aroid-L for a while some years back as an experiment and found very quickly that some of the spam coming in would fool the listserver, which isn't that sophisticated about modern email headers, into sending it out under the names of real subscribers. But there is now a much better spam wall on the server that runs Aroid-L. I'll talk with my friend who owns it and see where the spam wall sits in the flow and maybe run the experiment again. Steve HTML +More On 8/7/2018 1:08 PM, a sunjian wrote: The one thing I don't like about aroid-L is the fact that because it's moderated messages do not immediately go out to the group. It's slightly annoying to have to wait, and it prevents better conversations as you don't get the smooth back and forth that you see in non-moderated email groups. On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 12:37 PM, Steve Marak href="mailto:samarak@gizmoworks.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"samarak@gizmoworks.com/a> wrote: What seems to happen is that people don't actually unsubscribe from Aroid-L - they just stop posting. When enough people stop posting, then someone will create a new forum using whatever the current technology is, and everyone joins that because that's where the action is, at least for a while. A lot of the community is the same across all the different fora, because we don't want to miss out. But we're all still here, and we will respond if poked a bit, as the response to Jude's post shows. Usenet groups were the first such gathering places of which I'm aware (and it was mostly computer geeks on Usenet, because mostly only we had access at the time), following by mailing lists (Aroid-L dates to the early 1990s), followed by web-based "forums", followed by Facebook and other social media. Who knows what's next? Mailing lists may actually be the crocodiles of the Internet forum world, surviving with minimal changes through the evolution and extinction of other, more transient species. My own opinion is that's because (a) everyone has email, regardless of what other fora they also use, and (b) the mailing list brings the posts to you without you having to do anything. Web-based fora and social media require at least some initiative to go visit the site or start their app, which is why they nag you relentlessly to do so. (Nice Schismatoglottis, Peter!) Steve On 8/7/2018 3:02 AM, class="m_936848457834046995moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:StroWi@t-online.de" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">StroWi@t-online.de wrote: Peter, this is a very nice comment on FB - I still regret the day (I guess it was an aroid-L member) when the amorphophalllus group in FB was opened; well, it has it advatages like easy posting pictures etc and the manyfold contacts to people all over the world; but you pint out nicely the disadvatages - let alone the advatages for Mr. Zuckerberg.. I was remarkable how quickly the aroid-L lost the active members who definitely all switched to FB... I never joined FB and probably never will - interesting that more and more people dislike FB; we'll see what happens... Anyhow, since you are a FB member, Peter, what about writing a post there to remember people that the aroid-L is still there; after it is posseble to post pictures here as well, it is more attractive again - maybe even all the nice people and experts in Amorphs etc. like Lord P., Alan G., Steve J, Christian T., Susan B., Tom C., Tony A., Scott H., Lester K., Marek A., Albert H., Steve M., and and and..... (sorry to all I do not mention in a hurry.....) think about it and come back or reregister.... Just my 2ct.... Happy growing, Bernhard. -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: Re: [Aroid-l] Zamioculcas - like Gonatopus ? Datum: 2018-08-07T08:56:36+0200 Von: "Peter Boyce" class="m_936848457834046995moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:phymatarum@gmail.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"> An: "Discussion of aroids" class="m_936848457834046995moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:aroid-l@www.gizmoworks.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"> Steve and all... I for one would be delighted to see Aroid-L with a new lease of life - the sheer quantity of "messages" I get when posting anything on FB has led me to being very selective, not to say the annoyance of trying to re-find a post that only moments earlier was on the screen but is now buried under a mass of images of peoples' food interspersed with persistent adverts for incontinence products. Anyhow... in the vein of sharing... here is a nice dwarf Schismatoglottis we are in the process of describing for inclusion in the next Aroideana. 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From: "Peter C. Boyce" <phymatarum at gmail.com> on 2018.08.08 at 00:58:49(23922) Steve, I think this would a very good thing to implement! Pete HTML +More From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Steve Marak Sent: Wednesday, 8 August, 2018 3:34 AM To: aroid-l@www.gizmoworks.com Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] aroid-L vs FB [was:Zamioculcas - like Gonatopus ?] I absolutely agree. (Not to mention I'd enjoy a vacation from doing that job ...) There's a lot of history behind Aroid-L being moderated, most of which doesn't apply now (controlling what went out under the domain of the owners of the servers we were using, stamping out flame wars, etc.). I did unmoderate Aroid-L for a while some years back as an experiment and found very quickly that some of the spam coming in would fool the listserver, which isn't that sophisticated about modern email headers, into sending it out under the names of real subscribers. But there is now a much better spam wall on the server that runs Aroid-L. I'll talk with my friend who owns it and see where the spam wall sits in the flow and maybe run the experiment again. Steve On 8/7/2018 1:08 PM, a sunjian wrote: The one thing I don't like about aroid-L is the fact that because it's moderated messages do not immediately go out to the group. It's slightly annoying to have to wait, and it prevents better conversations as you don't get the smooth back and forth that you see in non-moderated email groups. On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 12:37 PM, Steve Marak wrote: What seems to happen is that people don't actually unsubscribe from Aroid-L - they just stop posting. When enough people stop posting, then someone will create a new forum using whatever the current technology is, and everyone joins that because that's where the action is, at least for a while. A lot of the community is the same across all the different fora, because we don't want to miss out. But we're all still here, and we will respond if poked a bit, as the response to Jude's post shows. Usenet groups were the first such gathering places of which I'm aware (and it was mostly computer geeks on Usenet, because mostly only we had access at the time), following by mailing lists (Aroid-L dates to the early 1990s), followed by web-based "forums", followed by Facebook and other social media. Who knows what's next? Mailing lists may actually be the crocodiles of the Internet forum world, surviving with minimal changes through the evolution and extinction of other, more transient species. My own opinion is that's because (a) everyone has email, regardless of what other fora they also use, and (b) the mailing list brings the posts to you without you having to do anything. Web-based fora and social media require at least some initiative to go visit the site or start their app, which is why they nag you relentlessly to do so. (Nice Schismatoglottis, Peter!) Steve On 8/7/2018 3:02 AM, StroWi@t-online.de wrote: Peter, this is a very nice comment on FB - I still regret the day (I guess it was an aroid-L member) when the amorphophalllus group in FB was opened; well, it has it advatages like easy posting pictures etc and the manyfold contacts to people all over the world; but you pint out nicely the disadvatages - let alone the advatages for Mr. Zuckerberg.. I was remarkable how quickly the aroid-L lost the active members who definitely all switched to FB... I never joined FB and probably never will - interesting that more and more people dislike FB; we'll see what happens... Anyhow, since you are a FB member, Peter, what about writing a post there to remember people that the aroid-L is still there; after it is posseble to post pictures here as well, it is more attractive again - maybe even all the nice people and experts in Amorphs etc. like Lord P., Alan G., Steve J, Christian T., Susan B., Tom C., Tony A., Scott H., Lester K., Marek A., Albert H., Steve M., and and and..... (sorry to all I do not mention in a hurry.....) think about it and come back or reregister.... Just my 2ct.... Happy growing, Bernhard. -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: Re: [Aroid-l] Zamioculcas - like Gonatopus ? Datum: 2018-08-07T08:56:36+0200 Von: "Peter Boyce" An: "Discussion of aroids" Steve and all... I for one would be delighted to see Aroid-L with a new lease of life - the sheer quantity of "messages" I get when posting anything on FB has led me to being very selective, not to say the annoyance of trying to re-find a post that only moments earlier was on the screen but is now buried under a mass of images of peoples' food interspersed with persistent adverts for incontinence products. Anyhow... in the vein of sharing... here is a nice dwarf Schismatoglottis we are in the process of describing for inclusion in the next Aroideana. Peter  _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01D42EF6.07D02120-- --==============r51124142478378617==

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