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Pinellia pedatisecta Rec. Nov. 4,
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From: "Marek Argent" <abri1973 at wp.pl> on 2010.06.10 at 18:24:24(21092)
Hello,
This is 100% Pinellia pedatisecta.
I had Typhonium kunmingense, and it looked so:
http://www.wschowa.com/abrimaal/araceum/typhonium/kunmingense.htm
I don't have better photos, the tubers died next season.
Best,
Marek Argent
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From: "Alan Galloway" <alan_galloway at bellsouth.net> on 2010.06.10 at 18:48:31(21093)
Marek,
This is Typhonium horsfieldii.
alan
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From: Marek Argent
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 2:24 PM
To: Discussion of aroids ;
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Subject: Pinellia pedatisecta Rec. Nov. 4, 2005 as Ty. kumingense T-106
Hello,
This is 100% Pinellia pedatisecta.
I had Typhonium kunmingense, and it looked so:
http://www.wschowa.com/abrimaal/araceum/typhonium/kunmingense.htm
I don't have better photos, the tubers died next season.
Best,
Marek Argent
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From: "Marek Argent" <abri1973 at wp.pl> on 2010.06.10 at 19:55:16(21094)
Dear Alan,
So probably all two (!) other photos found by google on the web as T. kunmingense (except my plant) are also incorrectly identified.
http://www..bensbotanics.co.uk/USERIMAGES/kunming4.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/55/152967203_c96f9a040d.jpg
and my plant was identical, the spathe external side was brown,
while in the IAS page photos of T. horsfieldii inflorescences vary from green through yellow to olive, no brown form shown,
but the spadix looks the same as mine.
http://www.aroid.org/genera/speciespage.php?genus=typhonium&species=horsfieldii
I see there must be a big mess in the small-tubered aroids sold on auctions and in "rarity" webshops.
First I wanted to write to you about a Pinellia bought on an auction as "Typhonium alpinum".
Today the first inflorescence opened, I took some photos and I noticed this is the same taxon as your photos of Pinellia ternata 'lanceolate leaf form'. I attach photos of my plant taken today.
I don't doubt this is P. ternata, but for many years I've had a green spathed form with broad leaflets. I wonder how two so different forms of the same species could evolute, don't you think it is a subspecies, a variety or even a cultivar?
http://www.wschowa.com/abrimaal/araceum/pinellia/ternata.htm
Marek
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From: Alan Galloway
To: Marek Argent ; Discussion of aroids
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 8:48 PM
Subject: Re: Pinellia pedatisecta Rec. Nov. 4, 2005 as Ty. kumingense T-106
Marek,
This is Typhonium horsfieldii.
alan
From: Marek Argent
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 2:24 PM
To: Discussion of aroids ; Alan Galloway
Subject: Pinellia pedatisecta Rec. Nov. 4, 2005 as Ty. kumingense T-106
Hello,
This is 100% Pinellia pedatisecta.
I had Typhonium kunmingense, and it looked so:
http://www.wschowa.com/abrimaal/araceum/typhonium/kunmingense.htm
I don't have better photos, the tubers died next season.
Best,
Marek Argent
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From: "Alan Galloway" <alan_galloway at bellsouth.net> on 2010.06.10 at 23:56:49(21095)
Marek,
The photos on the 2 links in your email are definitely Ty. horsfieldii.
Ty. horsfieldii is a very variatable species. The clone/form in the photos of the
2 links you sent are a very pretty clone having reddish petioles, exterior spathes being
brownish, and the leaflets edged in red. This clone was sold a few years ago by
ChenYi as Ty. kunmingense, hense pictures on the web being improperly labeled.
Feel free to see pics of several clones I have in my
collection:
http://www4.ncsu.edu/~alan/plants/aroids/typhoniums/horsfieldii/
As for the pics that were attached to your email, they are Pinellia ternata. This species
of Pinellia also shows some variability, with the interior spathes being green or purplish. And
the leaflets can range from short and wide to narrow and long. As for auctions and rarity
shops selling P. tenata as various forms of Typhonium......again these are coming from
ChenYi in China. She sells several Typhonium species, but they turn out to be slightly
different clones of P. ternata.
alan
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----- Original Message -----
From: Marek Argent
To: Alan Galloway ; discussion of aroids
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: Pinellia pedatisecta Rec. Nov. 4, 2005 as Ty. kumingense T-106
Dear Alan,
So probably all two (!) other photos found by google on the web as T. kunmingense (except my plant) are also incorrectly identified.
http://www..bensbotanics.co.uk/USERIMAGES/kunming4.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/55/152967203_c96f9a040d.jpg
and my plant was identical, the spathe external side was brown,
while in the IAS page photos of T. horsfieldii inflorescences vary from green through yellow to olive, no brown form shown,
but the spadix looks the same as mine.
http://www.aroid.org/genera/speciespage.php?genus=typhonium&species=horsfieldii
I see there must be a big mess in the
small-tubered aroids sold on auctions and in "rarity" webshops.
First I wanted to write to you about a Pinellia bought on an auction as "Typhonium alpinum".
Today the first inflorescence opened, I took some photos and I noticed this is the same taxon as your photos of Pinellia ternata 'lanceolate leaf form'. I attach photos of my plant taken today.
I don't doubt this is P. ternata, but for many years I've had a green spathed form with broad leaflets. I wonder how two so different forms of the same species could evolute, don't you think it is a subspecies, a variety or even a cultivar?
http://www.wschowa.com/abrimaal/araceum/pinellia/ternata.htm
Marek
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From: Alan Galloway
To:
href="mailto:abri1973@wp.pl">Marek Argent ; Discussion of aroids
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 8:48 PM
Subject: Re: Pinellia pedatisecta Rec. Nov. 4, 2005 as Ty. kumingense T-106
Marek,
This is Typhonium horsfieldii.
alan
From: Marek Argent
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 2:24 PM
To: Discussion of aroids ; Alan Galloway
Subject: Pinellia pedatisecta Rec. Nov. 4, 2005 as Ty. kumingense T-106
Hello,
This is 100% Pinellia pedatisecta.
I had Typhonium kunmingense, and it looked so:
http://www.wschowa.com/abrimaal/araceum/typhonium/kunmingense.htm
I don't have better photos, the tubers died next season.
Best,
Marek Argent
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From: "Wilbert Hetterscheid" <hetter at xs4all.nl> on 2010.06.12 at 06:47:32(21102)
It is Sauromatum horsfieldii (formerly Typhonium h.).
Cheers,
Wilbert
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> Marek:
>
> Are you saying that the images you attached are Typhonium
> pedatisecta? It does not match the images I have in my files.
> I think that these images look like a plant that is a real
> weed at my place. I will paste a picture of this to see if I
> can confirm what it is. I only know that it does not match
> the species in your picture. What was the place of origin of
> the material you sent?
>
>
>
> Tom
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com
> [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Marek Argent
> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 2:55 PM
> To: Alan Galloway; discussion of aroids
> Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Pinellia pedatisecta Rec. Nov. 4,2005 as Ty.
> kumingense T-106
>
>
>
> Dear Alan,
>
>
>
> So probably all two (!) other photos found by google on the web as T.
> kunmingense (except my plant) are also incorrectly identified.
>
> http://www.bensbotanics.co.uk/USERIMAGES/kunming4.jpg
>
> http://farm1.static.flickr.com/55/152967203_c96f9a040d.jpg
>
> and my plant was identical, the spathe external side was brown,
>
> while in the IAS page photos of T. horsfieldii inflorescences vary from
> green through yellow to olive, no brown form shown,
>
> but the spadix looks the same as mine.
>
> http://www.aroid.org/genera/speciespage.php?genus=typhonium&species=h orsfieldii
>
>
>
> I see there must be a big mess in the small-tubered aroids sold on
> auctions and in "rarity" webshops.
>
> First I wanted to write to you about a Pinellia bought on an auction as
> "Typhonium alpinum".
>
> Today the first inflorescence opened, I took some photos and I noticed
> this is the same taxon as your photos of Pinellia ternata 'lanceolate leaf
> form'. I attach photos of my plant taken today.
>
>
>
> I don't doubt this is P. ternata, but for many years I've had a green
> spathed form with broad leaflets. I wonder how two so different forms of
> the same species could evolute, don't you think it is a subspecies, a
> variety or even a cultivar?
>
> http://www.wschowa.com/abrimaal/araceum/pinellia/ternata.htm
>
>
>
> Marek
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Alan Galloway
>
> To: Marek Argent ; Discussion of aroids
>
>
> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 8:48 PM
>
> Subject: Re: Pinellia pedatisecta Rec. Nov. 4, 2005 as Ty. kumingense
> T-106
>
>
>
> Marek,
>
>
>
> This is Typhonium horsfieldii.
>
>
>
> alan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Marek Argent
>
> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 2:24 PM
>
> To: Discussion of aroids ; Alan
> Galloway
>
> Subject: Pinellia pedatisecta Rec. Nov. 4, 2005 as Ty. kumingense T-106
>
>
>
> Hello,
>
>
>
> This is 100% Pinellia pedatisecta.
>
> I had Typhonium kunmingense, and it looked so:
>
> http://www.wschowa.com/abrimaal/araceum/typhonium/kunmingense.htm
>
> I don't have better photos, the tubers died next season.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> Marek Argent
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
>
>
> Nie znaleziono virusa w tej wiadomości przychodzącej.
> Sprawdzone przez AVG - www.avg.com
> Wersja: 8.5.437 / Baza danych wirusów: 271.1.1/2928 - Data wydania:
> 06/09/10 18:35:00
>
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