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Xanthosoma indica?
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From: "Marek Argent" <abri1973 at wp.pl> on 2009.04.03 at 00:22:58(19220)
Hello,
I have a new stamp (see the attachment), the plant is named there Xanthosoma indica.
I think it is Alocasia indica or maybe A. macrorrhizos
What do you think?
Best,
Marek Argent
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From: Peter Boyce <phymatarum at googlemail.com> on 2009.04.04 at 22:33:09(19222)
Hi Marek,
Bit styalized...my guess would be Xanthosoma rather thanAlocasia...
Pete
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From: aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com[mailto:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Marek Argent
Sent: 03 April 2009 08:23
To: discussion of aroids
Subject: [Aroid-l] Xanthosoma indica?
Hello,
Ihave a new stamp (see the attachment), the plant is named there Xanthosomaindica.
Ithink it is Alocasia indica or maybe A. macrorrhizos
Whatdo you think?
Best,
MarekArgent
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From: <ju-bo at msn.com> on 2009.04.06 at 10:34:36(19224)
Dear Marek,
Pete is most probably correct, stamps are VERY unreliable w/ their art-work, I`d like to see the stamp, can you send a photo to me please??
Julius
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From: phymatarum@googlemail.com
To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 06:33:09 +0800
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Xanthosoma indica?
Hi Marek,
Bit styalized...my guess would be Xanthosoma rather thanAlocasia...
Pete
From: aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com[mailto:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Marek Argent
Sent: 03 April 2009 08:23
To: discussion of aroids
Subject: [Aroid-l] Xanthosoma indica?
Hello,
Ihave a new stamp (see the attachment), the plant is named there Xanthosomaindica.
Ithink it is Alocasia indica or maybe A. macrorrhizos
Whatdo you think?
Best,
MarekArgent
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From: "John Criswick" <criswick at spiceisle.com> on 2009.04.08 at 12:50:31(19226)
The plant has Xanthosoma written all over it, and arenâtall Xanthosomas tropical American? The name X. indica therefore must be animpossibility. John.
From:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of ju-bo@msn.com
Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 3:35AM
To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com
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Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Xanthosoma indica?
Dear Marek,
Pete is most probably correct, stamps are VERY unreliable w/ their art-work,I`d like to see the stamp, can you send a photo to me please??
Julius
From: phymatarum@googlemail.com
To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 06:33:09 +0800
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Xanthosoma indica?
Hi Marek,
Bit styalized...myguess would be Xanthosoma rather than Alocasia...
Pete
From:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Marek Argent
Sent: 03 April 2009 08:23
To: discussion of aroids
Subject: [Aroid-l] Xanthosomaindica?
Hello,
I have a new stamp (see the attachment), the plant is namedthere Xanthosoma indica.
I think it is Alocasia indica or maybe A. macrorrhizos
What do you think?
Best,
Marek Argent
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From: <ju-bo at msn.com> on 2009.04.10 at 09:22:20(19229)
Dear John and Friends,
The illustration on this stamp, especially that of one leaf, does in fact closely resemble a non-discript species within the Neotropical genus Xanthosoma, but we MUST keep in mind that the artist might not have been a Botanist, and may have been using a generalized photo or illustration of an aroid (who knows!) Since there are no blooms which would have assisted in determining the precise I.D. of this plant, and there is no label on the stamp itself, Pete Boyce (perhaps in jest) suggested it might be "Xanthosoma indica'', a non-species if ever there was one! But then again, to ramble on a little on this topic, there IS a named var./cultivar named "Alocasia amazonica'', a genus that does NOT occur naturally anywhere NEAR the Amazon Basin! I did the research on this name, to discover that it was named by its creator (it is a hybrid) who owned a now-defunct nursery in the Miami area back in the 30`s-40`s and the Nursery`s name was "Amazon Nursery", hence the name of this Asian Plant.
I came to the conclusion that the illustration on the stamp could very well be a sp. of Alocasia, which is native to that area while Xanthosoma is NOT.
Good Growing,
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From: criswick@spiceisle.com
To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 05:50:31 -0700
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Xanthosoma indica?
The plant has Xanthosoma written all over it, and arentall Xanthosomas tropical American? The name X. indica therefore must be animpossibility. John.
From:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of ju-bo@msn.com
Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 3:35AM
To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Xanthosoma indica?
Dear Marek,
Pete is most probably correct, stamps are VERY unreliable w/ their art-work,I`d like to see the stamp, can you send a photo to me please??
Julius
From: phymatarum@googlemail.com
To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 06:33:09 +0800
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Xanthosoma indica?
Hi Marek,
Bit styalized...myguess would be Xanthosoma rather than Alocasia...
Pete
From:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Marek Argent
Sent: 03 April 2009 08:23
To: discussion of aroids
Subject: [Aroid-l] Xanthosomaindica?
Hello,
I have a new stamp (see the attachment), the plant is namedthere Xanthosoma indica.
I think it is Alocasia indica or maybe A. macrorrhizos
What do you think?
Best,
Marek Argent
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From: "John Criswick" <criswick at spiceisle.com> on 2009.04.10 at 16:24:44(19230)
Dear Julius,
True, but there is a difference between a species name and a
varietal name. Once hybridization takes place away from the area of natural
distribution of the genus, any name is fair play.
Actually, the world of stamp designing and the government agencies
who commission the designs is very much the province of ignorance, as far as
we are concerned. For instance, in Grenada we have had endless stamps
featuring birds and butterflies which have never even seen Grenada, and even
stamps commemorating Mickey Mouse, et al.
John.
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From: aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com]
On Behalf Of ju-bo@msn.com
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 2:22 AM
To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Xanthosoma indica?
Dear John and Friends,
The illustration on this stamp, especially that of one leaf, does in fact
closely resemble a non-discript species within the Neotropical genus
Xanthosoma, but we MUST keep in mind that the artist might not have been a
Botanist, and may have been using a generalized photo or illustration of an
aroid (who knows!) Since there are no blooms which would have assisted in
determining the precise I.D. of this plant, and there is no label on the
stamp itself, Pete Boyce (perhaps in jest) suggested it might be "Xanthosoma
indica'', a non-species if ever there was one! But then again, to ramble on
a little on this topic, there IS a named var./cultivar named "Alocasia
amazonica'', a genus that does NOT occur naturally anywhere NEAR the Amazon
Basin! I did the research on this name, to discover that it was named by
its creator (it is a hybrid) who owned a now-defunct nursery in the Miami
area back in the 30`s-40`s and the Nursery`s name was "Amazon Nursery",
hence the name of this Asian Plant.
I came to the conclusion that the illustration on the stamp could very well
be a sp. of Alocasia, which is native to that area while Xanthosoma is NOT.
Good Growing,
Julius
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From: criswick@spiceisle.com
To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 05:50:31 -0700
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Xanthosoma indica?
The plant has Xanthosoma written all over it, and aren't all Xanthosomas
tropical American? The name X. indica therefore must be an impossibility.
John.
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From: aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com]
On Behalf Of ju-bo@msn.com
Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 3:35 AM
To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Xanthosoma indica?
Dear Marek,
Pete is most probably correct, stamps are VERY unreliable w/ their art-work,
I`d like to see the stamp, can you send a photo to me please??
Julius
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From: phymatarum@googlemail.com
To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 06:33:09 +0800
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Xanthosoma indica?
Hi Marek,
Bit styalized...my guess would be Xanthosoma rather than Alocasia...
Pete
From: aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com]
On Behalf Of Marek Argent
Sent: 03 April 2009 08:23
To: discussion of aroids
Subject: [Aroid-l] Xanthosoma indica?
Hello,
I have a new stamp (see the attachment), the plant is named there Xanthosoma
indica.
I think it is Alocasia indica or maybe A. macrorrhizos
What do you think?
Best,
Marek Argent
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From: Peter Boyce <phymatarum at googlemail.com> on 2009.04.10 at 23:04:15(19231)
HiJulius,
Sorry,but I said no such thing! I said âHi Marek, Bit stylized...myguess would be Xanthosoma rather than Alocasia...â, it was Marek whosuggested Xanthosoma indica... There IS an Alocasia indica (= Alocasiamacrorrhiozos) but the stamp does NOT depict Alocasia macrorrhizos). My guessis that it is one of the carbohydrate crop Xanthosoma spp. That are frequentlymet with throughout the tropics, well away from their native Caribbean and South/CentralAmerican origins...
Pete
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From: aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com[mailto:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of ju-bo@msn.com
Sent: 10 April 2009 17:22
To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Xanthosoma indica?
Dear John and Friends,
The illustration on this stamp, especially that of one leaf, does in factclosely resemble a non-discript species within the Neotropical genusXanthosoma, but we MUST keep in mind that the artist might not have been aBotanist, and may have been using a generalized photo or illustration of anaroid (who knows!) Since there are no blooms which would have assisted indetermining the precise I.D. of this plant, and there is no label on thestamp itself, Pete Boyce (perhaps in jest) suggested it might be"Xanthosoma indica'', a non-species if ever there was one! But thenagain, to ramble on a little on this topic, there IS a named var./cultivarnamed "Alocasia amazonica'', a genus that does NOT occur naturallyanywhere NEAR the Amazon Basin! I did the research on this name, todiscover that it was named by its creator (it is a hybrid) who owned anow-defunct nursery in the Miami area back in the 30`s-40`s and the Nursery`sname was "Amazon Nursery", hence the name of this Asian Plant.
I came to the conclusion that the illustration on the stamp could verywell be a sp. of Alocasia, which is native to that area while Xanthosoma isNOT.
Good Growing,
Julius
From: criswick@spiceisle.com
To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 05:50:31 -0700
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Xanthosoma indica?
Theplant has Xanthosoma written all over it, and arenât all Xanthosomas tropicalAmerican? The name X. indica therefore must be an impossibility. John.
From:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com] OnBehalf Of ju-bo@msn.com
Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 3:35 AM
To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Xanthosoma indica?
Dear Marek,
Pete is most probably correct, stamps are VERY unreliable w/ their art-work,I`d like to see the stamp, can you send a photo to me please??
Julius
From: phymatarum@googlemail.com
To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 06:33:09 +0800
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Xanthosoma indica?
Hi Marek,
Bit styalized...my guess would be Xanthosoma rather thanAlocasia...
Pete
From:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com] OnBehalf Of Marek Argent
Sent: 03 April 2009 08:23
To: discussion of aroids
Subject: [Aroid-l] Xanthosoma indica?
Hello,
Ihave a new stamp (see the attachment), the plant is named there Xanthosomaindica.
Ithink it is Alocasia indica or maybe A. macrorrhizos
Whatdo you think?
Best,
MarekArgent
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From: <ju-bo at msn.com> on 2009.04.13 at 09:43:40(19232)
Dear Pete,
Sounds just fine to me--stamps are sometimes VERY unreliable concerning the art work.
See John`s letter.
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Julius
From: phymatarum@googlemail.com
To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 07:04:15 +0800
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Xanthosoma indica?
HiJulius,
Sorry,but I said no such thing! I said Hi Marek, Bit stylized...myguess would be Xanthosoma rather than Alocasia..., it was Marek whosuggested Xanthosoma indica... There IS an Alocasia indica (= Alocasiamacrorrhiozos) but the stamp does NOT depict Alocasia macrorrhizos). My guessis that it is one of the carbohydrate crop Xanthosoma spp. That are frequentlymet with throughout the tropics, well away from their native Caribbean and South/CentralAmerican origins...
Pete
From: aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com[mailto:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of ju-bo@msn.com
Sent: 10 April 2009 17:22
To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Xanthosoma indica?
Dear John and Friends,
The illustration on this stamp, especially that of one leaf, does in factclosely resemble a non-discript species within the Neotropical genusXanthosoma, but we MUST keep in mind that the artist might not have been aBotanist, and may have been using a generalized photo or illustration of anaroid (who knows!) Since there are no blooms which would have assisted indetermining the precise I.D. of this plant, and there is no label on thestamp itself, Pete Boyce (perhaps in jest) suggested it might be"Xanthosoma indica'', a non-species if ever there was one! But thenagain, to ramble on a little on this topic, there IS a named var./cultivarnamed "Alocasia amazonica'', a genus that does NOT occur naturallyanywhere NEAR the Amazon Basin! I did the research on this name, todiscover that it was named by its creator (it is a hybrid) who owned anow-defunct nursery in the Miami area back in the 30`s-40`s and the Nursery`sname was "Amazon Nursery", hence the name of this Asian Plant.
I came to the conclusion that the illustration on the stamp could verywell be a sp. of Alocasia, which is native to that area while Xanthosoma isNOT.
Good Growing,
Julius
From: criswick@spiceisle.com
To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 05:50:31 -0700
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Xanthosoma indica?
Theplant has Xanthosoma written all over it, and arent all Xanthosomas tropicalAmerican? The name X. indica therefore must be an impossibility. John.
From:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com] OnBehalf Of ju-bo@msn.com
Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 3:35 AM
To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Xanthosoma indica?
Dear Marek,
Pete is most probably correct, stamps are VERY unreliable w/ their art-work,I`d like to see the stamp, can you send a photo to me please??
Julius
From: phymatarum@googlemail.com
To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 06:33:09 +0800
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Xanthosoma indica?
Hi Marek,
Bit styalized...my guess would be Xanthosoma rather thanAlocasia...
Pete
From:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com] OnBehalf Of Marek Argent
Sent: 03 April 2009 08:23
To: discussion of aroids
Subject: [Aroid-l] Xanthosoma indica?
Hello,
Ihave a new stamp (see the attachment), the plant is named there Xanthosomaindica.
Ithink it is Alocasia indica or maybe A. macrorrhizos
Whatdo you think?
Best,
MarekArgent
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From: "Marek Argent" <abri1973 at wp.pl> on 2009.04.13 at 18:44:50(19234)
Hi everyone who replied,
I didn't suggest "Xanthosoma indica", because I knew such plant didn't exist. I cited the name of this plant from the stamp. I asked if it might be Alocasia indica (a yellow veined form of A. macrorrhizos). I agree with John that small or poor countries emit hundreds of stamp issues to earn money, cos the collectors will pay a lot for any new stamp. They are rarely confirmed scientifically, for example I have a stamp depicting Zantedeschia aethiopica with a name Gladiolus cardinalis :D
BTW: I've updated my aroid stamps page:
http://www.wschowa.com/abrimaal/araceum/stamps/stampe.htm
Marek
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From: Peter Boyce
To: 'Discussion of aroids'
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 1:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Xanthosoma indica?
Hi Julius,
Sorry, but I said no such thing! I said Hi Marek, Bit stylized...my guess would be Xanthosoma rather than Alocasia..., it was Marek who suggested Xanthosoma indica... There IS an Alocasia indica (= Alocasia macrorrhiozos) but the stamp does NOT depict Alocasia macrorrhizos). My guess is that it is one of the carbohydrate crop Xanthosoma spp. That are frequently met with throughout the tropics, well away from their native Caribbean and South/Central American origins...
Pete
From: aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of ju-bo@msn.com
Sent: 10 April 2009 17:22
To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Xanthosoma indica?
Dear John and Friends,
The illustration on this stamp, especially that of one leaf, does in fact closely resemble a non-discript species within the Neotropical genus Xanthosoma, but we MUST keep in mind that the artist might not have been a Botanist, and may have been using a generalized photo or illustration of an aroid (who knows!) Since there are no blooms which would have assisted in determining the precise I.D. of this plant, and there is no label on the stamp itself, Pete Boyce (perhaps in jest) suggested it might be "Xanthosoma indica'', a non-species if ever there was one! But then again, to ramble on a little on this topic, there IS a named var./cultivar named "Alocasia amazonica'', a genus that does NOT occur naturally anywhere NEAR the Amazon Basin! I did the research on this name, to discover that it was named by its creator (it is a hybrid) who owned a now-defunct nursery in the Miami area back in the 30`s-40`s and the Nursery`s name was "Amazon Nursery", hence the name of this Asian Plant.
I came to the conclusion that the illustration on the stamp could very well be a sp. of Alocasia, which is native to that area while Xanthosoma is NOT.
Good Growing,
Julius
From: criswick@spiceisle.com
To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 05:50:31 -0700
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Xanthosoma indica?
The plant has Xanthosoma written all over it, and arent all Xanthosomas tropical American? The name X. indica therefore must be an impossibility. John.
From: aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of ju-bo@msn.com
Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 3:35 AM
To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Xanthosoma indica?
Dear Marek,
Pete is most probably correct, stamps are VERY unreliable w/ their art-work, I`d like to see the stamp, can you send a photo to me please??
Julius
From: phymatarum@googlemail.com
To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 06:33:09 +0800
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Xanthosoma indica?
Hi Marek,
Bit styalized...my guess would be Xanthosoma rather than Alocasia...
Pete
From: aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Marek Argent
Sent: 03 April 2009 08:23
To: discussion of aroids
Subject: [Aroid-l] Xanthosoma indica?
Hello,
I have a new stamp (see the attachment), the plant is named there Xanthosoma indica.
I think it is Alocasia indica or maybe A. macrorrhizos
What do you think?
Best,
Marek Argent
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