Aroid-L Moderation

From: harrywitmore at witmore.net (Harry Witmore) on 2008.01.04 at 00:45:53(16884) While this list seems to be a bit slower than others I'm on, I can also say that it can be time consuming to moderate these list depending on how it's set. I'm a moderator for a Gesneriad list and before making some changes we were receiving 100's of spam emails a day. It was allot of work to weed through them. We finally made changes and it has not been near as much work. But, I can also say we do not even attempt to moderate what members post since we also moderate members and it's a very well behaved group as this 'seems' to be. Could be there is a great deal of work to make it appear that way. It's also been the holiday season so that could also have something to do with it. Harry Witmore +More Cloud Jungle Epiphytes HYPERLINK "http://www.cloudjungle.com/"www.cloudjungle.com _____ From: aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Bluesea Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 7:30 PM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] self heading Philodendron ID 2 and a half days for emails to be posted is ridiculous and certainly doesn't make for continuity of threads. What's with that???????????????????? Russ Bluesea wrote: Any chance this could be pinnatifidum? Russ central Fla criswick wrote: Xanadu gone wild ! No way is that Xanadu. I think it resembles somewhat P. x evansii, an invalid name that might better be written P. 'Evansii'. This is much seen in older Miami gardens, but the one in the photo seems more compact and in some way different. John. -----Original Message----- From: HYPERLINK "mailto:aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com"aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com [HYPERLINK "mailto:aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com"mailto:aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com ] On Behalf Of Marek Argent Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 2:52 AM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] self heading Philodendron ID Hi, For me it looks like Ph. xanadu Marek ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Schmidt" To: "Discussion of aroids" HYPERLINK "mailto:aroid-l at gizmoworks.com" Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 10:59 PM Subject: [Aroid-l] self heading Philodendron ID > > I found this clump of a self heading Philodendron in > an older neighborhood. Can't tell if it is a form of > P. bipinnatifidum (selloum) or a different species or > hybrid. Any ideas? > > HYPERLINK "http://tinyurl.com/yu2yxr"http://tinyurl.com/yu2yxr > > Eric > Orlando,FL z9b/10a > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > HYPERLINK "http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs"http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > _______________________________________________ > Aroid-L mailing list > HYPERLINK "mailto:Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com"Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com > HYPERLINK "http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l"http://www.gizmoworks.co m/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > > > __________ NOD32 Informacje 2755 (20071229) __________ > > Wiadomosc zostala sprawdzona przez System Antywirusowy NOD32 > HYPERLINK "http://www.nod32.com"http://www.nod32.com lub HYPERLINK "http://www.nod32.pl"http://www.nod32.pl > > _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list HYPERLINK "mailto:Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com"Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com HYPERLINK "http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l"http://www.gizmoworks.co m/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _____ _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list HYPERLINK "mailto:Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com"Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com HYPERLINK "http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l"http://www.gizmoworks.co m/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _____ Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.4 - Release Date: 12/16/2007 12:00 AM _____ _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list HYPERLINK "mailto:Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com"Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com HYPERLINK "http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l"http://www.gizmoworks.co m/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _____ Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.4 - Release Date: 12/16/2007 12:00 AM No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1207 - Release Date: 1/2/2008 11:29 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1207 - Release Date: 1/2/2008 11:29 AM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/private/aroid-l/attachments/20080103/c29acfaa/attachment.htm

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From: samarak at gizmoworks.com (Steve Marak) on 2008.01.04 at 04:57:33(16889) Good comments, Harry. As you obviously know, maintaining any sort of forum is more work than it appears on the surface even if you choose a complete laissez-faire approach, and - in my opinion at least - that tends to work no better here than in many other places. Those few lists I'm still on which do let anyone post anything any time tend to have a very high noise-to-signal ratio, and lots of vitriol and bad feeling. Most lists now have been forced by the spammers to restrict posting to members only, but even there it is a well-behaved group indeed that does not require the occasional intervention. A few other comments, which may (or may not) be of any interest to anyone, about the group in general and about my "policy" - if something as vague as what I have merits that word. This is a very well behaved group, and most often moderation comes into play for the reasons I mentioned - the odd spam that somehow gets through despite the only-members-can-post setting, or something someone posted unintentionally, or someone who has "poster's regret" (the lesser known cousin of "buyer's remorse"), or, in a few cases, because the message had some other problem - formatting, etc. When something does make it to the list, it's always as the sender sent it, i.e., I never ever edit something someone else sent and then send it on as their words. I may ask people to rephrase something, corect formatting issues, or even ask them if I may discard a post rather than posting it, and - in very rare cases - I may choose to unilaterally discard it. But if it comes through, it's as they sent it. (In theory, I could edit something and send it on as though it came from a list member; in practice, I haven't even investigated how one might do that on this software.) I do reserve the right to not post anything I choose, for any reason I wish, and for obvious reasons I make no promise that I will filter out or not filter out anything, on any particular criteria, or that you won't (or will) be offended by something you see here. That pretty much has to be every listowner's mantra these days. That said, and because it is so much easier to be misunderstood in e-mail, I do make an effort to catch things I think might be inflammatory or offensive, and usually my first reaction is to ask the poster if they'll rephrase it. As another sign of what a good group this is, people are almost always willing to do so. Usually, the touchiest area is inflammatory vs. controversial. The former is not OK, the latter is, but discriminating between the two is hard, because both tend to have high emotional investment and they're not mutually exclusive. Steve +More On Thu, 3 Jan 2008, Harry Witmore wrote: > We finally made changes and it has not been near as much work. But, I can > also say we do not even attempt to moderate what members post since we also > moderate members and it's a very well behaved group as this 'seems' to be. > Could be there is a great deal of work to make it appear that way. > > It's also been the holiday season so that could also have something to do > with it. > > Harry Witmore > Cloud Jungle Epiphytes > HYPERLINK "http://www.cloudjungle.com/"www.cloudjungle.com -- Steve Marak -- samarak at gizmoworks.com

From: growit7 at windstream.net (Tere Baber) on 2008.01.04 at 14:08:50(16894) Steve you definately have a time consuming job on your hands. You're a better man than I Gunga-Din. ----- Original Message ----- +More From: "Steve Marak" To: "Discussion of aroids" Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Aroid-L Moderation > Good comments, Harry. As you obviously know, maintaining any sort of forum > is more work than it appears on the surface even if you choose a complete > laissez-faire approach, and - in my opinion at least - that tends to work > no better here than in many other places. Those few lists I'm still on > which do let anyone post anything any time tend to have a very high > noise-to-signal ratio, and lots of vitriol and bad feeling. Most lists now > have been forced by the spammers to restrict posting to members only, but > even there it is a well-behaved group indeed that does not require the > occasional intervention. > > A few other comments, which may (or may not) be of any interest to anyone, > about the group in general and about my "policy" - if something as vague > as what I have merits that word. > > This is a very well behaved group, and most often moderation comes into > play for the reasons I mentioned - the odd spam that somehow gets through > despite the only-members-can-post setting, or something someone posted > unintentionally, or someone who has "poster's regret" (the lesser known > cousin of "buyer's remorse"), or, in a few cases, because the message had > some other problem - formatting, etc. > > When something does make it to the list, it's always as the sender sent > it, i.e., I never ever edit something someone else sent and then send it > on as their words. I may ask people to rephrase something, corect > formatting issues, or even ask them if I may discard a post rather than > posting it, and - in very rare cases - I may choose to unilaterally > discard it. But if it comes through, it's as they sent it. (In theory, I > could edit something and send it on as though it came from a list member; > in practice, I haven't even investigated how one might do that on this > software.) > > I do reserve the right to not post anything I choose, for any reason I > wish, and for obvious reasons I make no promise that I will filter out or > not filter out anything, on any particular criteria, or that you won't (or > will) be offended by something you see here. That pretty much has to be > every listowner's mantra these days. > > That said, and because it is so much easier to be misunderstood in e-mail, > I do make an effort to catch things I think might be inflammatory or > offensive, and usually my first reaction is to ask the poster if they'll > rephrase it. As another sign of what a good group this is, people are > almost always willing to do so. > > Usually, the touchiest area is inflammatory vs. controversial. The former > is not OK, the latter is, but discriminating between the two is hard, > because both tend to have high emotional investment and they're not > mutually exclusive. > > Steve > > > On Thu, 3 Jan 2008, Harry Witmore wrote: > >> We finally made changes and it has not been near as much work. But, I can >> also say we do not even attempt to moderate what members post since we >> also >> moderate members and it's a very well behaved group as this 'seems' to >> be. >> Could be there is a great deal of work to make it appear that way. >> >> It's also been the holiday season so that could also have something to do >> with it. >> >> Harry Witmore >> Cloud Jungle Epiphytes >> HYPERLINK "http://www.cloudjungle.com/"www.cloudjungle.com > > -- Steve Marak > -- samarak at gizmoworks.com > _______________________________________________ > Aroid-L mailing list > Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1207 - Release Date: 1/2/2008 > 11:29 AM > >

From: abrimaal at wp.pl (AbrimaaL) on 2008.01.05 at 00:59:07(16900) THIS Is XANADU OR EVENTUAALLY PINNARIFIBUM--- -- Original Message ----- From: "Tere Baber" +More To: "Discussion of aroids" Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 3:08 PM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Aroid-L Moderation > Steve you definately have a time consuming job on your hands. You're a > better man than I Gunga-Din. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Marak" > To: "Discussion of aroids" > Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 10:57 PM > Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Aroid-L Moderation > > >> Good comments, Harry. As you obviously know, maintaining any sort of >> forum >> is more work than it appears on the surface even if you choose a complete >> laissez-faire approach, and - in my opinion at least - that tends to work >> no better here than in many other places. Those few lists I'm still on >> which do let anyone post anything any time tend to have a very high >> noise-to-signal ratio, and lots of vitriol and bad feeling. Most lists >> now >> have been forced by the spammers to restrict posting to members only, but >> even there it is a well-behaved group indeed that does not require the >> occasional intervention. >> >> A few other comments, which may (or may not) be of any interest to >> anyone, >> about the group in general and about my "policy" - if something as vague >> as what I have merits that word. >> >> This is a very well behaved group, and most often moderation comes into >> play for the reasons I mentioned - the odd spam that somehow gets through >> despite the only-members-can-post setting, or something someone posted >> unintentionally, or someone who has "poster's regret" (the lesser known >> cousin of "buyer's remorse"), or, in a few cases, because the message had >> some other problem - formatting, etc. >> >> When something does make it to the list, it's always as the sender sent >> it, i.e., I never ever edit something someone else sent and then send it >> on as their words. I may ask people to rephrase something, corect >> formatting issues, or even ask them if I may discard a post rather than >> posting it, and - in very rare cases - I may choose to unilaterally >> discard it. But if it comes through, it's as they sent it. (In theory, I >> could edit something and send it on as though it came from a list member; >> in practice, I haven't even investigated how one might do that on this >> software.) >> >> I do reserve the right to not post anything I choose, for any reason I >> wish, and for obvious reasons I make no promise that I will filter out or >> not filter out anything, on any particular criteria, or that you won't >> (or >> will) be offended by something you see here. That pretty much has to be >> every listowner's mantra these days. >> >> That said, and because it is so much easier to be misunderstood in >> e-mail, >> I do make an effort to catch things I think might be inflammatory or >> offensive, and usually my first reaction is to ask the poster if they'll >> rephrase it. As another sign of what a good group this is, people are >> almost always willing to do so. >> >> Usually, the touchiest area is inflammatory vs. controversial. The former >> is not OK, the latter is, but discriminating between the two is hard, >> because both tend to have high emotional investment and they're not >> mutually exclusive. >> >> Steve >> >> >> On Thu, 3 Jan 2008, Harry Witmore wrote: >> >>> We finally made changes and it has not been near as much work. But, I >>> can >>> also say we do not even attempt to moderate what members post since we >>> also >>> moderate members and it's a very well behaved group as this 'seems' to >>> be. >>> Could be there is a great deal of work to make it appear that way. >>> >>> It's also been the holiday season so that could also have something to >>> do >>> with it. >>> >>> Harry Witmore >>> Cloud Jungle Epiphytes >>> HYPERLINK "http://www.cloudjungle.com/"www.cloudjungle.com >> >> -- Steve Marak >> -- samarak at gizmoworks.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Aroid-L mailing list >> Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com >> http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1207 - Release Date: >> 1/2/2008 >> 11:29 AM >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Aroid-L mailing list > Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > > > __________ NOD32 Informacje 2759 (20080101) __________ > > Wiadomosc zostala sprawdzona przez System Antywirusowy NOD32 > http://www.nod32.com lub http://www.nod32.pl > >

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