unusual Anthurium berry

From: Steve at ExoticRainforest.com (ExoticRainforest) on 2007.09.07 at 19:23:31(16237) A grower who lives west of Mexico City sent these photos. I'm trying to help him with a possible ID. The plant was collected in Mexico and has been in his garden for many years. Have any of you seen an Anthurium berry with this shape? It came form a Mexican "birds nest" form. The spadices hang pendantly as can be seen in his photo Thanks! Steve Lucas +More www.ExoticRainforest.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/private/aroid-l/attachments/20070907/caee1945/attachment-0001.htm -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Berries.gif Type: image/gif Size: 130651 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/private/aroid-l/attachments/20070907/caee1945/attachment-0002.gif -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: spadices.gif Type: image/gif Size: 490263 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/private/aroid-l/attachments/20070907/caee1945/attachment-0003.gif

From: chammer at cfl.rr.com (Bluesea) on 2007.09.08 at 18:45:52(16239) I'm afraid I don't grow enough Anth's to be able to help with this one Steve. Russ +More ExoticRainforest wrote: > > A grower who lives west of Mexico City sent these photos. I'm trying > to help him with a possible ID. The plant was collected in Mexico and > has been in his garden for many years. Have any of you seen an > /Anthurium/ berry with this shape? It came form a Mexican "birds > nest" form. The spadices hang pendantly as can be seen in his photo > > Thanks! > > Steve Lucas > www.ExoticRainforest.com > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Aroid-L mailing list > Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l >

From: exotics at hawaii.rr.com (Windy Aubrey) on 2007.09.08 at 19:35:54(16241) Hi Steve, Beautiful plant! Can you get an image of the entire plant? Hey, Guess what!!!!! I'll see you in MIAMI!!!!!!!!!!! Windy +More ----- Original Message ----- From: ExoticRainforest To: Discussion of aroids Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 9:23 AM Subject: [Aroid-l] unusual Anthurium berry A grower who lives west of Mexico City sent these photos. I'm trying to help him with a possible ID. The plant was collected in Mexico and has been in his garden for many years. Have any of you seen an Anthurium berry with this shape? It came form a Mexican "birds nest" form. The spadices hang pendantly as can be seen in his photo Thanks! Steve Lucas www.ExoticRainforest.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/private/aroid-l/attachments/20070908/7f5f60ce/attachment.htm

From: ju-bo at msn.com (Julius Boos) on 2007.09.08 at 20:35:25(16242)

From: Steve at ExoticRainforest.com (ExoticRainforest) on 2007.09.09 at 00:47:20(16243) Looks like all of us are in that boat!! Steve +More ----- Original Message ----- From: Julius Boos To: aroid-l at gizmoworks.com Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 3:35 PM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] unusual Anthurium berry From : Bluesea Reply-To : Discussion of aroids Sent : Saturday, September 8, 2007 6:45 PM To : Discussion of aroids Subject : Re: [Aroid-l] unusual Anthurium berry Dear Steve, I`m in the smae boat as Russ! Maybe when Tom returns he`ll have an opinion! Julius >>I'm afraid I don't grow enough Anth's to be able to help with this one Steve. Russ ExoticRainforest wrote: > >A grower who lives west of Mexico City sent these photos. I'm trying to >help him with a possible ID. The plant was collected in Mexico and has >been in his garden for many years. Have any of you seen an /Anthurium/ >berry with this shape? It came form a Mexican "birds nest" form. The >spadices hang pendantly as can be seen in his photo > Thanks! > Steve Lucas >www.ExoticRainforest.com _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/private/aroid-l/attachments/20070908/a26e6dd0/attachment-0001.htm

From: donbit121 at hotmail.com (Don Bittel) on 2007.09.09 at 02:30:32(16247) Hello- This looks to me like the common anth. schlectendallii by the berries and leaf bases. Though the spadix is usually more green to purple than the white color it looks in the photo. years ago I sent pictures of many birdnest anthuriums to Croat for identification, and he labeled most of them to be this schlectendallii. so it is a variable plant, and common in collections. Don Bittel +More >From: "Julius Boos" >Reply-To: Discussion of aroids >To: aroid-l at gizmoworks.com >Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] unusual Anthurium berry >Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 20:35:25 +0000 > > >From : Bluesea >Reply-To : Discussion of aroids >Sent : Saturday, September 8, 2007 6:45 PM >To : Discussion of aroids >Subject : Re: [Aroid-l] unusual Anthurium berry > >Dear Steve, > >I`m in the smae boat as Russ! Maybe when Tom returns he`ll have an >opinion! > >Julius > > >>I'm afraid I don't grow enough Anth's to be able to help with this one >Steve. >Russ > >ExoticRainforest wrote: > > > >A grower who lives west of Mexico City sent these photos. I'm trying to > >help him with a possible ID. The plant was collected in Mexico and has > >been in his garden for many years. Have any of you seen an /Anthurium/ > >berry with this shape? It came form a Mexican "birds nest" form. The > >spadices hang pendantly as can be seen in his photo > > Thanks! > > Steve Lucas > >www.ExoticRainforest.com > > >_______________________________________________ >Aroid-L mailing list >Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com >http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _________________________________________________________________ A place for moms to take a break! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us

From: Steve at ExoticRainforest.com (ExoticRainforest) on 2007.09.09 at 10:06:32(16249) Forgive me, I wrote this at 4:45AM and my brain is not quite awake. Where I stated "peduncle" below in red, I meant to say petiole. Steve +More ----- Original Message ----- From: ExoticRainforest To: Discussion of aroids Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 4:36 AM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] unusual Anthurium berry Could be Don. Dr. Croat indicates elongated berries are a possiblity in his journal on Mexican and Central American section Pachyneurium species. Red berries that are round tend to be more common, but the species is highy variable. However, in a personal visit with Dr. Croat at MOBOT last year he said a peduncle that was erect (not pendant) is more common for Anthurium schlechtendalii . Cut as a cross section, the peduncle could be Anthurium schlechtendalii, but it also could be Anthurium salviniae. The leaves on my large Anthurium schlechtendalii look nothing like this plant and Dr. Croat confirmed mine is A. schlechtendalii as well. Oh, how badly we need the Doc's guidance!!! Steve Lucas www.ExoticRainforest.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Bittel To: aroid-l at gizmoworks.com Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 9:30 PM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] unusual Anthurium berry Hello- This looks to me like the common anth. schlectendallii by the berries and leaf bases. Though the spadix is usually more green to purple than the white color it looks in the photo. years ago I sent pictures of many birdnest anthuriums to Croat for identification, and he labeled most of them to be this schlectendallii. so it is a variable plant, and common in collections. Don Bittel >From: "Julius Boos" >Reply-To: Discussion of aroids >To: aroid-l at gizmoworks.com >Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] unusual Anthurium berry >Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 20:35:25 +0000 > > >From : Bluesea >Reply-To : Discussion of aroids >Sent : Saturday, September 8, 2007 6:45 PM >To : Discussion of aroids >Subject : Re: [Aroid-l] unusual Anthurium berry > >Dear Steve, > >I`m in the smae boat as Russ! Maybe when Tom returns he`ll have an >opinion! > >Julius > > >>I'm afraid I don't grow enough Anth's to be able to help with this one >Steve. >Russ > >ExoticRainforest wrote: > > > >A grower who lives west of Mexico City sent these photos. I'm trying to > >help him with a possible ID. The plant was collected in Mexico and has > >been in his garden for many years. Have any of you seen an /Anthurium/ > >berry with this shape? It came form a Mexican "birds nest" form. The > >spadices hang pendantly as can be seen in his photo > > Thanks! > > Steve Lucas > >www.ExoticRainforest.com > > >_______________________________________________ >Aroid-L mailing list >Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com >http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _________________________________________________________________ A place for moms to take a break! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/private/aroid-l/attachments/20070909/473b53f7/attachment-0001.htm

From: derek at horticulturist.com (Derek Burch) on 2007.09.09 at 11:12:29(16250) I agree with Don: this looks like the variable species that is common in gardens (although I would not venture a name). The hanging infructescences are because the plant is growing over the side of the pot, and are like all those in my garden which "hang" when growing in a tree or lie flat along the ground or a leaf when this is their only option since they do not have the rigidity to support the weight of the developing fruits. It always seems such a shame to waste these fruit masses, but the seedlings come up from them like grass and die from overcrowding unless a few are picked off the spadix when young and grown on. Derek +More -----Original Message----- From: aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Don Bittel Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 10:31 PM To: aroid-l at gizmoworks.com Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] unusual Anthurium berry Hello- This looks to me like the common anth. schlectendallii by the berries and leaf bases. Though the spadix is usually more green to purple than the white color it looks in the photo. years ago I sent pictures of many birdnest anthuriums to Croat for identification, and he labeled most of them to be this schlectendallii. so it is a variable plant, and common in collections. Don Bittel >From: "Julius Boos" >Reply-To: Discussion of aroids >To: aroid-l at gizmoworks.com >Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] unusual Anthurium berry >Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 20:35:25 +0000 > > >From : Bluesea >Reply-To : Discussion of aroids >Sent : Saturday, September 8, 2007 6:45 PM >To : Discussion of aroids >Subject : Re: [Aroid-l] unusual Anthurium berry > >Dear Steve, > >I`m in the smae boat as Russ! Maybe when Tom returns he`ll have an >opinion! > >Julius > > >>I'm afraid I don't grow enough Anth's to be able to help with this one >Steve. >Russ > >ExoticRainforest wrote: > > > >A grower who lives west of Mexico City sent these photos. I'm trying to > >help him with a possible ID. The plant was collected in Mexico and has > >been in his garden for many years. Have any of you seen an /Anthurium/ > >berry with this shape? It came form a Mexican "birds nest" form. The > >spadices hang pendantly as can be seen in his photo > > Thanks! > > Steve Lucas > >www.ExoticRainforest.com > > >_______________________________________________ >Aroid-L mailing list >Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com >http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _________________________________________________________________ A place for moms to take a break! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: ncarz at charter.net (ncarz at charter.net) on 2007.09.09 at 19:23:12(16251) Do the berries have seeds in them? Many Pachyneuriums have berries this shape that are false berries and have no seeds. Neil ---- ExoticRainforest wrote: +More > Looks like all of us are in that boat!! > > Steve > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Julius Boos > To: aroid-l at gizmoworks.com > Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 3:35 PM > Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] unusual Anthurium berry > > > > From : Bluesea > Reply-To : Discussion of aroids > Sent : Saturday, September 8, 2007 6:45 PM > To : Discussion of aroids > Subject : Re: [Aroid-l] unusual Anthurium berry > > Dear Steve, > > I`m in the smae boat as Russ! Maybe when Tom returns he`ll have an > opinion! > > Julius > > >>I'm afraid I don't grow enough Anth's to be able to help with this one > Steve. > Russ > > ExoticRainforest wrote: > > > >A grower who lives west of Mexico City sent these photos. I'm trying to > >help him with a possible ID. The plant was collected in Mexico and has > >been in his garden for many years. Have any of you seen an /Anthurium/ > >berry with this shape? It came form a Mexican "birds nest" form. The > >spadices hang pendantly as can be seen in his photo > > Thanks! > > Steve Lucas > >www.ExoticRainforest.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Aroid-L mailing list > Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: denis at skg.com (Denis Rotolante) on 2007.09.10 at 14:36:01(16253) possibly Anthurium cubens. -----Original Message----- From: aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com +More [mailto:aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of ExoticRainforest Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 3:24 PM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: [Aroid-l] unusual Anthurium berry A grower who lives west of Mexico City sent these photos. I'm trying to help him with a possible ID. The plant was collected in Mexico and has been in his garden for many years. Have any of you seen an Anthurium berry with this shape? It came form a Mexican "birds nest" form. The spadices hang pendantly as can be seen in his photo Thanks! Steve Lucas www.ExoticRainforest.com _____ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/private/aroid-l/attachments/20070910/a8d277d7/attachment-0001.htm

From: Steve at ExoticRainforest.com (ExoticRainforest) on 2007.09.10 at 21:26:01(16257) MessageThanks Denis. I had considered A. cubens but the grower does not accept the possiblity. I'm unsure why. Steve +More ----- Original Message ----- From: Denis Rotolante To: 'Discussion of aroids' Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 9:36 AM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] unusual Anthurium berry possibly Anthurium cubens. -----Original Message----- From: aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of ExoticRainforest Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 3:24 PM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: [Aroid-l] unusual Anthurium berry A grower who lives west of Mexico City sent these photos. I'm trying to help him with a possible ID. The plant was collected in Mexico and has been in his garden for many years. Have any of you seen an Anthurium berry with this shape? It came form a Mexican "birds nest" form. The spadices hang pendantly as can be seen in his photo Thanks! Steve Lucas www.ExoticRainforest.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/private/aroid-l/attachments/20070910/a086a224/attachment-0001.htm

From: Steve at ExoticRainforest.com (ExoticRainforest) on 2007.09.10 at 21:27:38(16258) Yes, I have confirmed twice the berries have seeds, two per berry. The grower now has 30 new small plants grown from these seeds. Steve Lucas +More www.ExoticRainforest.com ----- Original Message ----- From: ncarz at charter.net To: Discussion of aroids Cc: ExoticRainforest Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 2:23 PM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] unusual Anthurium berry Do the berries have seeds in them? Many Pachyneuriums have berries this shape that are false berries and have no seeds. Neil ---- ExoticRainforest wrote: > Looks like all of us are in that boat!! > > Steve > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Julius Boos > To: aroid-l at gizmoworks.com > Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 3:35 PM > Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] unusual Anthurium berry > > > > From : Bluesea > Reply-To : Discussion of aroids > Sent : Saturday, September 8, 2007 6:45 PM > To : Discussion of aroids > Subject : Re: [Aroid-l] unusual Anthurium berry > > Dear Steve, > > I`m in the smae boat as Russ! Maybe when Tom returns he`ll have an > opinion! > > Julius > > >>I'm afraid I don't grow enough Anth's to be able to help with this one > Steve. > Russ > > ExoticRainforest wrote: > > > >A grower who lives west of Mexico City sent these photos. I'm trying to > >help him with a possible ID. The plant was collected in Mexico and has > >been in his garden for many years. Have any of you seen an /Anthurium/ > >berry with this shape? It came form a Mexican "birds nest" form. The > >spadices hang pendantly as can be seen in his photo > > Thanks! > > Steve Lucas > >www.ExoticRainforest.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Aroid-L mailing list > Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/private/aroid-l/attachments/20070910/47ee4201/attachment-0001.htm

From: Steve at ExoticRainforest.com (ExoticRainforest) on 2007.09.10 at 21:42:28(16259) Can't argue with logic. Dr. Croat did indicate when I was last in his office Anthurium schlechtendalii should have an erect peduncle with a pendant spathe. I may have to wait for him to return from Ecuador for a clarification, but the shape of the spadices in the grower's photos are not a close match to the photo he verified. I'm attaching a photo of the spathe and spadix which he verified to be Anthurium schlechtendalii. In the case of this spathe, it fell pendant within days. It also developed a full head of berries and remained erect until the red berries were harvested and planted in pots. However, I understand the variableness of the species. Dr. Gon?alves informed me in an email last fall the peduncle should be longer than the spadix which is the case in both photos. Steve Lucas +More www.ExoticRainforest.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Derek Burch To: 'Discussion of aroids' Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 6:12 AM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] unusual Anthurium berry I agree with Don: this looks like the variable species that is common in gardens (although I would not venture a name). The hanging infructescences are because the plant is growing over the side of the pot, and are like all those in my garden which "hang" when growing in a tree or lie flat along the ground or a leaf when this is their only option since they do not have the rigidity to support the weight of the developing fruits. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/private/aroid-l/attachments/20070910/27a2fc70/attachment-0001.htm -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Anthurium-sch-spathe-.gif Type: image/gif Size: 62127 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/private/aroid-l/attachments/20070910/27a2fc70/attachment-0001.gif

From: Steve at ExoticRainforest.com (ExoticRainforest) on 2007.09.10 at 22:34:59(16261) Derek, I just checked the photos of the Mexican Anthurium again and the spadices don't match Dr. Gon?alves comment the spadices of Anthurium schlechtendalii should be longer than the peduncle. If you check the photos I'm attaching again the peduncle appears to be approximately of equal length to the spadix. I realize I may chasing my tail on this one. It may well be a hybrid or a variation, but I just can't make a significant number of details match to Dr. Croat's description. And I've read it about four or five times now. It doesn't match Anthurium cubense well either! And the seeds are viable. I think we need to buy the Doc a lap top with an internet link to a satellite!! Steve Lucas +More www.ExoticRainforest.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Derek Burch To: 'Discussion of aroids' Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 6:12 AM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] unusual Anthurium berry I agree with Don: this looks like the variable species that is common in gardens (although I would not venture a name). The hanging infructescences are because the plant is growing over the side of the pot, and are like all those in my garden which "hang" when growing in a tree or lie flat along the ground or a leaf when this is their only option since they do not have the rigidity to support the weight of the developing fruits. It always seems such a shame to waste these fruit masses, but the seedlings come up from them like grass and die from overcrowding unless a few are picked off the spadix when young and grown on. Derek -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/private/aroid-l/attachments/20070910/16ac1c76/attachment-0001.htm -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Mexican-Anthurium.gif Type: image/gif Size: 189001 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/private/aroid-l/attachments/20070910/16ac1c76/attachment-0001.gif

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