Wrong name on Philodendron variifolium

From: "Steve Lucas Exotic Rainforest" <steve at exoticrainforest.com> on 2007.03.18 at 22:57:59(15433) I just spent an interesting afternoon discussing what I thought was Philodendron varrifolium with Dr. Croat. The species I have shown on my website won the 2005 Best in Show Award at the 2005 Aroid Show using the name P. variifolium. Dr. Croat says we've got this one wrong and the actual name is Philodendron brandtianum K. Krause. Tom says this is only the juvenile form and the plant will eventually become tri-lobed. The error apparently dates back to an error in Exotica 3. If anyone has an actual photo of the adult form of Philodendron brandtianum and would be willing to allow me to post it with credit please let me know. And if anyone has more information to help make the description more complete I'd love to hear from you on that as well. Ron Weeks has provided information in the past and I'd love to get this updated now. Here's the link to the newly updated page: http://www.exoticrainforest.com/Philodendron%20variifolium%20pc.html Steve Lucas +More www.ExoticRainforest.com _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: Bluesea <chammer at cfl.rr.com> on 2007.03.19 at 15:36:00(15438) Variegation is sure pretty on the juvenile form of this Philo, Steve. At P1 L1, 'deflex(l)um' error is within a quote, didn't know if you left that in on purpose. Also, check brandtianum at P2 L3, P4 L1, P3 L3. Check variifolium at P5 L2. Hope the cool nights are over for the year, even cool during yesterday and today with wind chill factored in, sweater weather. Later, Russ +More _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "Tom Croat" <Thomas.Croat at mobot.org> on 2007.03.19 at 19:58:08(15445) Steve: NO! NO! You misunderstood. The plant you have, namely Philodendron brandtianum K. Kr. never becomes 3-lobed. What I said was the P. variifolium Schott, which people have mistakenly been calling P. brandtianum for years, is a 3-lobed plant. Tom +More Tom Croat, P. A. Schulze Curator of Botany Missouri Botanical Garden Box 299, St. Louis, Missouri 63116 (314) 577-5163 Thomas.Croat@mobot.org Please send images to our FTP Server. ftp://garfile:garden2003@cissus.mobot.org/incoming/croat ftp://garfile:garden2003@cissus.mobot.org/outgoing/croat Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 5:58 PM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: [Aroid-l] Wrong name on Philodendron variifolium I just spent an interesting afternoon discussing what I thought was Philodendron varrifolium with Dr. Croat. The species I have shown on my website won the 2005 Best in Show Award at the 2005 Aroid Show using the name P. variifolium. Dr. Croat says we've got this one wrong and the actual name is Philodendron brandtianum K. Krause. Tom says this is only the juvenile form and the plant will eventually become tri-lobed. The error apparently dates back to an error in Exotica 3. If anyone has an actual photo of the adult form of Philodendron brandtianum and would be willing to allow me to post it with credit please let me know. And if anyone has more information to help make the description more complete I'd love to hear from you on that as well. Ron Weeks has provided information in the past and I'd love to get this updated now. Here's the link to the newly updated page: http://www.exoticrainforest.com/Philodendron%20variifolium%20pc.html Steve Lucas www.ExoticRainforest.com _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "Steve Lucas Exotic Rainforest" <steve at exoticrainforest.com> on 2007.03.19 at 21:52:01(15448) Well, the cat is out of the bag! So let me take this opportunity to thank Russ and all the people on this forum that help out with my little website project. I think Russ intended to send this message to me personally but didn't realize he was responding to Aroid l. Russ often edits what I write. Actually, Russ edits just about everything I write! I just put stuff on the computer screen and he makes me look good (well, better). But my site has become a project with the input of a lot of aroiders and I'd like to thank everyone I can remember at this moment. Dr. Croat is top on the list, he corrects the bad names on my photographs and sends me information I'm chasing all the time, sometimes numerous times in a day. We all owe Tom a great deal for his patience with all of us. Dr. Eduardo Gonçalves has also provided an invaluable amount of information. But there are others who help me all the time. Often daily. Along with Dr. Croat, Julius Boos has become my personal botany professor. Enid Offolter sends me photos and information every week. Then there's Joep Moonen. I couldn't make it through a day without an email from Joep. And there are lots of others including John Criswick, LariAnn Garner, Brian Williams, Leland Miyano, Windy Aubrey and many, many others. My goal from the beginning has been to provide as accurate information as possible in an easily understood format. I'm sure you all know there is a lot of junk information on the internet. My website project started out as just a personal way to document my own collection but the crazy thing has taken on a life of its own. I sit here daily answering emails from people who want to know something about their plants. Half the time I have to check what I'm about to say with one of the people I've listed above. We are now receiving approximately 1000 hits per day which I find phenomenal for a little home grown plant site. I'd like to invite any of you who have something you think I need to address, especially errors, to tell me what needs to be fixed. I try to read every exchange on this forum so I can glean information to add to the site. My collection is not enormous but I've got over 300 pages up right now. And it grows daily with at least 100 plants to photograph and document. Feel free to tell me what you know I need to fix. You will not hurt my feelings. I'd like to make this the best possible site for tropical plant lovers on the net. And I owe a great deal to all of you who have graciously given me help along the way since the project started 15 months ago. You'll find an invitation to join the IAS right at the top of the homepage. I have no idea if anyone has joined as a result but that is the absolute least I can do in exchange for all the great information members of the IAS provide. My thanks to you all! Steve Lucas +More www.ExoticRainforest.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Bluesea To: Discussion of aroids Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Wrong name on Philodendron variifolium Variegation is sure pretty on the juvenile form of this Philo, Steve.At P1 L1, 'deflex(l)um' error is within a quote, didn't know if you left that in on purpose.Also, check brandtianum at P2 L3, P4 L1, P3 L3.Check variifolium at P5 L2.Hope the cool nights are over for the year, even cool during yesterday and today with wind chill factored in, sweater weather.Later, Russ _______________________________________________Aroid-l mailing listAroid-l@gizmoworks.comhttp://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "Steve Lucas Exotic Rainforest" <steve at exoticrainforest.com> on 2007.03.19 at 22:02:31(15449) Got it! Thanks Tom. I'll make the correction on the site. Steve +More ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Croat To: Discussion of aroids Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 2:58 PM Subject: RE: [Aroid-l] Wrong name on Philodendron variifolium Steve: NO! NO! You misunderstood. The plant you have, namely Philodendron brandtianum K. Kr. never becomes 3-lobed. What I said was the P. variifolium Schott, which people have mistakenly been calling P. brandtianum for years, is a 3-lobed plant. Tom Tom Croat, P. A. Schulze Curator of Botany Missouri Botanical Garden Box 299, St. Louis, Missouri 63116 (314) 577-5163 Thomas.Croat@mobot.org Please send images to our FTP Server. ftp://garfile:garden2003@cissus.mobot.org/incoming/croat ftp://garfile:garden2003@cissus.mobot.org/outgoing/croat From: aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Steve Lucas Exotic RainforestSent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 5:58 PMTo: Discussion of aroidsSubject: [Aroid-l] Wrong name on Philodendron variifolium I just spent an interesting afternoon discussing what I thought was Philodendron varrifolium with Dr. Croat. The species I have shown on my website won the 2005 Best in Show Award at the 2005 Aroid Show using the name P. variifolium. Dr. Croat says we've got this one wrong and the actual name is Philodendron brandtianum K. Krause. Tom says this is only the juvenile form and the plant will eventually become tri-lobed. The error apparently dates back to an error in Exotica 3. If anyone has an actual photo of the adult form of Philodendron brandtianum and would be willing to allow me to post it with credit please let me know. And if anyone has more information to help make the description more complete I'd love to hear from you on that as well. Ron Weeks has provided information in the past and I'd love to get this updated now. Here's the link to the newly updated page: http://www.exoticrainforest.com/Philodendron%20variifolium%20pc.html Steve Lucas www.ExoticRainforest.com _______________________________________________Aroid-l mailing listAroid-l@gizmoworks.comhttp://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "Tom Croat" <Thomas.Croat at mobot.org> on 2007.03.19 at 22:27:18(15450) Dear Steve: You are very welcome for the thanks and it is nice to hear that your site is so successful. Don’t forget to correct the error about Philodendron brandtianum NOT being 3-lobed ever. Tom +More Tom Croat, P. A. Schulze Curator of Botany Missouri Botanical Garden Box 299, St. Louis, Missouri 63116 (314) 577-5163 Thomas.Croat@mobot.org Please send images to our FTP Server. ftp://garfile:garden2003@cissus.mobot.org/incoming/croat ftp://garfile:garden2003@cissus.mobot.org/outgoing/croat [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Steve Lucas Exotic Rainforest Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 4:52 PM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Wrong name on Philodendron variifolium Well, the cat is out of the bag! So let me take this opportunity to thank Russ and all the people on this forum that help out with my little website project. I think Russ intended to send this message to me personally but didn't realize he was responding to Aroid l. Russ often edits what I write. Actually, Russ edits just about everything I write! I just put stuff on the computer screen and he makes me look good (well, better). But my site has become a project with the input of a lot of aroiders and I'd like to thank everyone I can remember at this moment. Dr. Croat is top on the list, he corrects the bad names on my photographs and sends me information I'm chasing all the time, sometimes numerous times in a day. We all owe Tom a great deal for his patience with all of us. Dr. Eduardo Gonçalves has also provided an invaluable amount of information. But there are others who help me all the time. Often daily. Along with Dr. Croat, Julius Boos has become my personal botany professor. Enid Offolter sends me photos and information every week. Then there's Joep Moonen. I couldn't make it through a day without an email from Joep. And there are lots of others including John Criswick, LariAnn Garner, Brian Williams, Leland Miyano, Windy Aubrey and many, many others. My goal from the beginning has been to provide as accurate information as possible in an easily understood format. I'm sure you all know there is a lot of junk information on the internet. My website project started out as just a personal way to document my own collection but the crazy thing has taken on a life of its own. I sit here daily answering emails from people who want to know something about their plants. Half the time I have to check what I'm about to say with one of the people I've listed above. We are now receiving approximately 1000 hits per day which I find phenomenal for a little home grown plant site. I'd like to invite any of you who have something you think I need to address, especially errors, to tell me what needs to be fixed. I try to read every exchange on this forum so I can glean information to add to the site. My collection is not enormous but I've got over 300 pages up right now. And it grows daily with at least 100 plants to photograph and document. Feel free to tell me what you know I need to fix. You will not hurt my feelings. I'd like to make this the best possible site for tropical plant lovers on the net. And I owe a great deal to all of you who have graciously given me help along the way since the project started 15 months ago. You'll find an invitation to join the IAS right at the top of the homepage. I have no idea if anyone has joined as a result but that is the absolute least I can do in exchange for all the great information members of the IAS provide. My thanks to you all! Steve Lucas www.ExoticRainforest.com ----- Original Message ----- To: Discussion of aroids Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Wrong name on Philodendron variifolium Variegation is sure pretty on the juvenile form of this Philo, Steve. At P1 L1, 'deflex(l)um' error is within a quote, didn't know if you left that in on purpose. Also, check brandtianum at P2 L3, P4 L1, P3 L3. Check variifolium at P5 L2. Hope the cool nights are over for the year, even cool during yesterday and today with wind chill factored in, sweater weather. Later, Russ _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "Steve Lucas Exotic Rainforest" <steve at exoticrainforest.com> on 2007.03.21 at 06:46:08(15456) My pleasure Tom. Your willingness to help all of us learn is very much appreciated. And I corrected the error within seconds of receiving your email. My continued thanks, and I'm sure I can say it from everyone! Steve +More ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Croat To: Discussion of aroids Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 5:27 PM Subject: RE: [Aroid-l] Wrong name on Philodendron variifolium Dear Steve: You are very welcome for the thanks and it is nice to hear that your site is so successful. Don?t forget to correct the error about Philodendron brandtianum NOT being 3-lobed ever. Tom Tom Croat, P. A. Schulze Curator of Botany Missouri Botanical Garden Box 299, St. Louis, Missouri 63116 (314) 577-5163 Thomas.Croat@mobot.org Please send images to our FTP Server. ftp://garfile:garden2003@cissus.mobot.org/incoming/croat ftp://garfile:garden2003@cissus.mobot.org/outgoing/croat From: aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Steve Lucas Exotic RainforestSent: Monday, March 19, 2007 4:52 PMTo: Discussion of aroidsSubject: Re: [Aroid-l] Wrong name on Philodendron variifolium Well, the cat is out of the bag! So let me take this opportunity to thank Russ and all the people on this forum that help out with my little website project. I think Russ intended to send this message to me personally but didn't realize he was responding to Aroid l. Russ often edits what I write. Actually, Russ edits just about everything I write! I just put stuff on the computer screen and he makes me look good (well, better). But my site has become a project with the input of a lot of aroiders and I'd like to thank everyone I can remember at this moment. Dr. Croat is top on the list, he corrects the bad names on my photographs and sends me information I'm chasing all the time, sometimes numerous times in a day. We all owe Tom a great deal for his patience with all of us. Dr. Eduardo Gonçalves has also provided an invaluable amount of information. But there are others who help me all the time. Often daily. Along with Dr. Croat, Julius Boos has become my personal botany professor. Enid Offolter sends me photos and information every week. Then there's Joep Moonen. I couldn't make it through a day without an email from Joep. And there are lots of others including John Criswick, LariAnn Garner, Brian Williams, Leland Miyano, Windy Aubrey and many, many others. My goal from the beginning has been to provide as accurate information as possible in an easily understood format. I'm sure you all know there is a lot of junk information on the internet. My website project started out as just a personal way to document my own collection but the crazy thing has taken on a life of its own. I sit here daily answering emails from people who want to know something about their plants. Half the time I have to check what I'm about to say with one of the people I've listed above. We are now receiving approximately 1000 hits per day which I find phenomenal for a little home grown plant site. I'd like to invite any of you who have something you think I need to address, especially errors, to tell me what needs to be fixed. I try to read every exchange on this forum so I can glean information to add to the site. My collection is not enormous but I've got over 300 pages up right now. And it grows daily with at least 100 plants to photograph and document. Feel free to tell me what you know I need to fix. You will not hurt my feelings. I'd like to make this the best possible site for tropical plant lovers on the net. And I owe a great deal to all of you who have graciously given me help along the way since the project started 15 months ago. You'll find an invitation to join the IAS right at the top of the homepage. I have no idea if anyone has joined as a result but that is the absolute least I can do in exchange for all the great information members of the IAS provide. My thanks to you all! Steve Lucas www.ExoticRainforest.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Bluesea To: Discussion of aroids Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Wrong name on Philodendron variifolium Variegation is sure pretty on the juvenile form of this Philo, Steve.At P1 L1, 'deflex(l)um' error is within a quote, didn't know if you left that in on purpose.Also, check brandtianum at P2 L3, P4 L1, P3 L3.Check variifolium at P5 L2.Hope the cool nights are over for the year, even cool during yesterday and today with wind chill factored in, sweater weather.Later, Russ _______________________________________________Aroid-l mailing listAroid-l@gizmoworks.comhttp://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________Aroid-l mailing listAroid-l@gizmoworks.comhttp://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

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