Cold-hardiest Climbing Aroids?

From: RAYMOMATTLA at cs.com on 2004.12.18 at 00:45:38(12467) I dont expect anyone to tell me there are any climbing Aroids that could live in my climate (USDA 7b-8a) which can drop to 10-15F each winter, but do any of the experts know which of the climbing aroids can be considered the hardiest? I have heard Epipremnum aureum is growing as far north as Southern Georgia (USA) but probably not permanently. Ive seen it personally growing quite tall up pine trees as far north as Jacksonville Florida. Are there any other climbers (Rhaphidophora? Monstera?) that could take some winter cold with minimal damage? Thanks, Michael Mattlage +More _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: Cgdz33a at aol.com on 2004.12.18 at 05:04:12(12468) syngonium is now a weed as far north as Gainesville FL Eric C. Morgan _______________________________________________ +More Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "Julius Boos" <ju-bo at msn.com> on 2004.12.18 at 11:12:30(12469) >From: RAYMOMATTLA@cs.com >Reply-To: Discussion of aroids <aroid-l@gizmoworks.com> >To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com >Subject: [Aroid-l] Cold-hardiest Climbing Aroids? >Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 19:45:38 EST > +More Dear Raymond, I`d GUESS the Philo`s and some Monsteras are the best in cold, M. delisiosa (and P. 'selloum') take a LOT of cold here in Florida. Maybe Tom Croat could give the names of some of the far-South growing Philos/Monsteras, but I do not know if these are available in cultivation. The Best, Julius I dont expect anyone to tell me there are any climbing Aroids that could live >in my climate (USDA 7b-8a) which can drop to 10-15F each winter, but do any >of the experts know which of the climbing aroids can be considered the >hardiest? I have heard Epipremnum aureum is growing as far north as Southern Georgia >(USA) but probably not permanently. Ive seen it personally growing quite tall >up pine trees as far north as Jacksonville Florida. Are there any other >climbers (Rhaphidophora? Monstera?) that could take some winter cold with minimal >damage? >Thanks, >Michael Mattlage >_______________________________________________ >Aroid-l mailing list >Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com >http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "Bamboo Chik" <bamboochik at earthlink.net> on 2004.12.18 at 14:07:12(12470) I have a Philo selloum that I keep outside year round in SC, AL. Our min. is 10F but has gotten colder in freak years. Of course the leaves die off at first or second frost, but I then wrap the trunk (vine) with insulating material and mulch heavily with about 12" of straw. Of course it will never look like the ones in south FL., but it is still quite impressive It's about 10 yrs. old...b.f.n...deb/S.AL zone 8 ----- Original Message ----- To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com +More Sent: 12/17/2004 9:50:12 PM Subject: [Aroid-l] Cold-hardiest Climbing Aroids? I dont expect anyone to tell me there are any climbing Aroids that could live in my climate (USDA 7b-8a) which can drop to 10-15F each winter, but do any of the experts know which of the climbing aroids can be considered the hardiest? I have heard Epipremnum aureum is growing as far north as Southern Georgia (USA) but probably not permanently. Ive seen it personally growing quite tall up pine trees as far north as Jacksonville Florida. Are there any other climbers (Rhaphidophora? Monstera?) that could take some winter cold with minimal damage?Thanks,Michael Mattlage _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "Petra Schmidt" <petra at plantdelights.com> on 2004.12.18 at 14:36:08(12471) Hi Ray, There's a plantsman in the Chapel Hill area who has had Monstera deliciosa growing in his garden for at least 5 years or more now...granted it doesn't climb those trees like it does in Florida but it is hardy here. We also have Philodendron bipinnatitidum (selloum) growing for the second year in the ground here and it has done amazingly well...in full sun even. I've also seen it hardy in the Fayetteville, NC area. Petra +More ----- Original Message ----- From: RAYMOMATTLA@cs.com To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 7:45 PM Subject: [Aroid-l] Cold-hardiest Climbing Aroids? I dont expect anyone to tell me there are any climbing Aroids that could live in my climate (USDA 7b-8a) which can drop to 10-15F each winter, but do any of the experts know which of the climbing aroids can be considered the hardiest? I have heard Epipremnum aureum is growing as far north as Southern Georgia (USA) but probably not permanently. Ive seen it personally growing quite tall up pine trees as far north as Jacksonville Florida. Are there any other climbers (Rhaphidophora? Monstera?) that could take some winter cold with minimal damage?Thanks,Michael Mattlage _______________________________________________Aroid-l mailing listAroid-l@gizmoworks.comhttp://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "William H Anderson" <exotaqua at bellsouth.net> on 2004.12.18 at 23:11:56(12472) I am growing Syngonium podophyllum on live oak trees since the summer of 2000. The first winter, before they were climbing, 17F (in the open) burned a few leaves on the ground hugging stems. Since then the plants have climbed at least 12 feet up the live oak and have never been seriously damaged by temperatures typically in the low 20s (we are zone 9a near Brunswick, GA). According to the University of South Florida's web page (ISB Atlas of Vascular Plants) this species has naturalized as far North are Gainesville, FL. Interestingly the attractive variegated juvenile foliage reverts to solid green as the leaves assume the adult multilobed shape. Monstera friedrichsthalii usually looses its leaves during the winter but new leaves rapidly grow as soon as the weather begins to warm. It too has grown about 12 feet up a neighboring live oak. I consider this species to be an experiment in progress, as it outgrew its indoor location. These plants have a NE exposure and are close to our "L" shaped two story house. +More The Syngonium is doing so well that it is invading areas intended for other plants. I could make some cuttings available next spring to interested parties. Realize they need to become well established in the ground before they begin to climb. ----- Original Message ----- To: Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 6:12 AM Subject: RE: [Aroid-l] Cold-hardiest Climbing Aroids? > > > >From: RAYMOMATTLA@cs.com > >Reply-To: Discussion of aroids <aroid-l@gizmoworks.com> > >To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com > >Subject: [Aroid-l] Cold-hardiest Climbing Aroids? > >Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 19:45:38 EST > > > Dear Raymond, > > I`d GUESS the Philo`s and some Monsteras are the best in cold, M. delisiosa > (and P. 'selloum') take a LOT of cold here in Florida. Maybe Tom Croat > could give the names of some of the far-South growing Philos/Monsteras, but > I do not know if these are available in cultivation. > The Best, > Julius > >>>>I dont expect anyone to tell me there are any climbing Aroids that could > >>>>live > >in my climate (USDA 7b-8a) which can drop to 10-15F each winter, but do > any > >of the experts know which of the climbing aroids can be considered the > >hardiest? I have heard Epipremnum aureum is growing as far north as > Southern Georgia > >(USA) but probably not permanently. Ive seen it personally growing > quite tall > >up pine trees as far north as Jacksonville Florida. Are there any other > >climbers (Rhaphidophora? Monstera?) that could take some winter cold > with minimal > >damage? > >Thanks, > >Michael Mattlage > >_______________________________________________ > >Aroid-l mailing list > >Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com > >http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > > > _______________________________________________ > Aroid-l mailing list > Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: RAYMOMATTLA at cs.com on 2004.12.19 at 03:03:54(12475) Very interesting. A post on another forum got me interested in this subject. Apparently, somone living in Brunswick Georgia (your area) is growing large and healthy E. aureum up a large wall in their backyard. Probably not the only one experimenting with this species in South Georgia, but it just amazed me about the plants hardiness, (although coastal Georgia can be quite mild..Philodendron bippenatifidum gets 10 foot or more down there.) I never thought Syngonium podophyllum would be that hardy but if it is naturalized all the way up to Gainesville...Wow! I am sure there are others that could perhaps be as hardy..if not more so than these examples, but like Julius said, most are not in cultivation. From what I understand (according to Peter), there is a Rhaphidophora species from the Ryuka Islands of Japan. Maybe one day this species or others like it could be introduced into cultivation so some of us in colder areas could experiment more OUTdoors...instead of in th e confines of our Greenhouses or homes. Michael +More _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: David SCHERBERICH <dscherberich at wanadoo.fr> on 2004.12.19 at 09:52:24(12476) Dear Michael, Rhaphidophora decursiva and R. glauca which are common in the subtropical Himalaya are probably very cold tolerant too, though I don't know to what point ... With best regards, David +More > Message du 19/12/04 01:07 > De : "William H Anderson" > A : "Discussion of aroids" > Copie à : > Objet : Re: [Aroid-l] Cold-hardiest Climbing Aroids? > > I am growing Syngonium podophyllum on live oak trees since the summer of > 2000. The first winter, before they were climbing, 17F (in the open) burned > a few leaves on the ground hugging stems. Since then the plants have climbed > at least 12 feet up the live oak and have never been seriously damaged by > temperatures typically in the low 20s (we are zone 9a near Brunswick, GA). > According to the University of South Florida's web page (ISB Atlas of > Vascular Plants) this species has naturalized as far North are Gainesville, > FL. Interestingly the attractive variegated juvenile foliage reverts to > solid green as the leaves assume the adult multilobed shape. > > Monstera friedrichsthalii usually looses its leaves during the winter but > new leaves rapidly grow as soon as the weather begins to warm. It too has > grown about 12 feet up a neighboring live oak. I consider this species to be > an experiment in progress, as it outgrew its indoor location. > > These plants have a NE exposure and are close to our "L" shaped two story > house. > > The Syngonium is doing so well that it is invading areas intended for other > plants. I could make some cuttings available next spring to interested > parties. Realize they need to become well established in the ground before > they begin to climb. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Julius Boos" > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 6:12 AM > Subject: RE: [Aroid-l] Cold-hardiest Climbing Aroids? > > > > > > > > >From: RAYMOMATTLA@cs.com > > >Reply-To: Discussion of aroids <aroid-l@gizmoworks.com> > > >To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com > > >Subject: [Aroid-l] Cold-hardiest Climbing Aroids? > > >Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 19:45:38 EST > > > > > Dear Raymond, > > > > I`d GUESS the Philo`s and some Monsteras are the best in cold, M. > delisiosa > > (and P. 'selloum') take a LOT of cold here in Florida. Maybe Tom Croat > > could give the names of some of the far-South growing Philos/Monsteras, > but > > I do not know if these are available in cultivation. > > The Best, > > Julius > > >>>>I dont expect anyone to tell me there are any climbing Aroids that > could > > >>>>live > > >in my climate (USDA 7b-8a) which can drop to 10-15F each winter, but > do > > any > > >of the experts know which of the climbing aroids can be considered the > > >hardiest? I have heard Epipremnum aureum is growing as far north as > > Southern Georgia > > >(USA) but probably not permanently. Ive seen it personally growing > > quite tall > > >up pine trees as far north as Jacksonville Florida. Are there any > other > > >climbers (Rhaphidophora? Monstera?) that could take some winter cold > > with minimal > > >damage? > > >Thanks, > > >Michael Mattlage > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Aroid-l mailing list > > >Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com > > >http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Aroid-l mailing list > > Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com > > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Aroid-l mailing list > Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > > David Scherberich Email: dscherberich@wanadoo.fr http://dscherberich.free.fr/ _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: Adam Black <epiphyte1 at earthlink.net> on 2004.12.20 at 02:43:26(12477) Hi Michael, In addition to the Syngonium and Epipremnum aureum already mentioned, a friend in Gainesville FL (8B) has grown Epipremnum pinnatum with similar results - being cut back but returning (growing back several feet up) every winter. I am going to get some established this spring in my yard (just southwest of Gainesville), and see if I have similar luck. Since I always have plenty of Philodendron squamiferum, I plant some at the bases of trees in my yard every spring, yet none seem to ever return the following spring. Syngoniums and Epipremnum aureum return best when as much of the base of the stem remains smothered by other evergreen foliage. I have even seen leaves remain through the winter in the lower portions of my plants, under heavy oak tree canopy, with dense impenetrable mounds of Bromelia pinguin and boston ferns growing around the tree trunks. They don't return as strongly after being burnt to the ground due to little protection. Adam Black +More RAYMOMATTLA@cs.com wrote: I dont expect anyone to tell me there are any climbing Aroids that could live in my climate (USDA 7b-8a) which can drop to 10-15F each winter, but do any of the experts know which of the climbing aroids can be considered the hardiest? I have heard Epipremnum aureum is growing as far north as Southern Georgia (USA) but probably not permanently. Ive seen it personally growing quite tall up pine trees as far north as Jacksonville Florida. Are there any other climbers (Rhaphidophora? Monstera?) that could take some winter cold with minimal damage? Thanks, Michael Mattlage _______________________________________________Aroid-l mailing listAroid-l@gizmoworks.comhttp://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: Eric Schmidt <leu242 at yahoo.com> on 2004.12.20 at 21:39:41(12482) Around here in Orlando (zone 9b), here are some climbing aroids which survived the Dec. 1989 freeze when it dropped to near 20F. These were killed to the ground but resprouted and are way back up in the trees. I don't know the ultimate hardiness. Epipremnum aureum E. pinnatum Monstera deliciosa M. friedrichsthalii Philodendron radiatum P. scandens P. x wilsonii Syngonium podophyllum S. wendlandii Rhaphidophora decursiva defoliates below 30-31F so the foliage is more tender than others but it has survived so far to 27F. Eric +More Orlando,FL z9b --- Adam Black wrote: > Hi Michael, > > In addition to the Syngonium and Epipremnum aureum > already mentioned, a > friend in Gainesville FL (8B) has grown Epipremnum > pinnatum with similar > results - being cut back but returning (growing back > several feet up) > every winter. I am going to get some established > this spring in my yard > (just southwest of Gainesville), and see if I have > similar luck. > > Since I always have plenty of Philodendron > squamiferum, I plant some at > the bases of trees in my yard every spring, yet none > seem to ever return > the following spring. > > Syngoniums and Epipremnum aureum return best when as > much of the base of > the stem remains smothered by other evergreen > foliage. I have even seen > leaves remain through the winter in the lower > portions of my plants, > under heavy oak tree canopy, with dense impenetrable > mounds of Bromelia > pinguin and boston ferns growing around the tree > trunks. They don't > return as strongly after being burnt to the ground > due to little > protection. > > Adam Black > > > RAYMOMATTLA@cs.com wrote: > > > I dont expect anyone to tell me there are any > climbing Aroids that > > could live in my climate (USDA 7b-8a) which can > drop to 10-15F each > > winter, but do any of the experts know which of > the climbing aroids > > can be considered the hardiest? I have heard > Epipremnum aureum is > > growing as far north as Southern Georgia (USA) but > probably not > > permanently. Ive seen it personally growing quite > tall up pine trees > > as far north as Jacksonville Florida. Are there > any other climbers > > (Rhaphidophora? Monstera?) that could take some > winter cold with > > minimal damage? > > Thanks, > > Michael Mattlage > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Aroid-l mailing list > >Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com > >http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Aroid-l mailing list > Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

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