Lasia spinosa seed germination

From: Adam Black <epiphyte1 at earthlink.net> on 2004.08.31 at 01:36:19(12127) Hi All, Does anyone have any suggestions for germinating Lasia spinosa seeds? Also, my Lasia's growth habit is unlike those I have seen at botanical gardens. All of the others I have seen grow in a very erect upright manner, while mine sends out reclining stem out of the pot that then travel along ground level, rooting as it grows away from the pot, yet still making nice big leaves. It is not in full sun, which is what I assume is the difference between mine and the ones I have seen in full to nearly full sun at botanical gardens. Any comments? Thanks! Adam +More _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "danny wilson" <mudwasp_ at hotmail.com> on 2004.08.31 at 04:06:26(12129) the leaves might be looking for sunlight by crawling along teh ground, just as my amorphophallus konjacs lean towards the window >From: Adam Black >Reply-To: Discussion of aroids >To: Discussion of aroids >Subject: [Aroid-l] Lasia spinosa seed germination >Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:36:19 -0400 > >Hi All, > > >Does anyone have any suggestions for germinating Lasia spinosa >seeds? +More > >Also, my Lasia's growth habit is unlike those I have seen at >botanical gardens. All of the others I have seen grow in a very >erect upright manner, while mine sends out reclining stem out of the >pot that then travel along ground level, rooting as it grows away >from the pot, yet still making nice big leaves. It is not in full >sun, which is what I assume is the difference between mine and the >ones I have seen in full to nearly full sun at botanical gardens. >Any comments? > >Thanks! > >Adam > > > >_______________________________________________ >Aroid-l mailing list >Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com >http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more in the Back to School Guide! _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "Alistair Hay" <ajmhay at hotmail.com> on 2004.08.31 at 06:19:18(12130) I would defer to the expert, Julius, on anything to do with cultivating members of the Lasieae, but on the matter of the habit of L. spinosa, I can say that it is very variable: from tightly clumping erect-stemmed forms through decumbent to stoloniferous ones. Like the degree of dissection of the leaf blade, it can be partly accounted for by environment, but only partly: plants with different habit can still be differentiated when they are grown under identical conditions. Alistair +More ----- Original Message ----- To: "Discussion of aroids" Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 11:36 AM Subject: [Aroid-l] Lasia spinosa seed germination > Hi All, > > > Does anyone have any suggestions for germinating Lasia spinosa seeds? > > Also, my Lasia's growth habit is unlike those I have seen at botanical > gardens. All of the others I have seen grow in a very erect upright > manner, while mine sends out reclining stem out of the pot that then > travel along ground level, rooting as it grows away from the pot, yet > still making nice big leaves. It is not in full sun, which is what I > assume is the difference between mine and the ones I have seen in full > to nearly full sun at botanical gardens. Any comments? > > Thanks! > > Adam > > > > _______________________________________________ > Aroid-l mailing list > Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "Julius Boos" <ju-bo at msn.com> on 2004.08.31 at 06:31:22(12131) >From: Adam Black >Reply-To: Discussion of aroids >To: Discussion of aroids >Subject: [Aroid-l] Lasia spinosa seed germination >Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:36:19 -0400 > Hello Adam, Just place the ripe seeds (cleaned of their fruit covering) in wet sphagnum and stand back! This aquatic bears large seeds, the fruit take an exceptional length of time to ripen, almost or a full year or more. I have always seen them start to grow more or less erect for only 18" or so, then they always have begun to grow in a reclining or recumbrent form, spreading out of the pot along the ground. There are MANY leaf-forms in the plant, the largest (at about 6-8"!!!) is one from Ceylon w/ an entire leaf-blade that has elegant 'drip-tips'. Nice aquatic species of aroid, but with unforgiving spines whose tips always break off in your hands, always wear leather gloves when working w/ this devil! Hope this helps, Julius>Hi All, > > >Does anyone have any suggestions for germinating Lasia spinosa >seeds? +More > >Also, my Lasia's growth habit is unlike those I have seen at >botanical gardens. All of the others I have seen grow in a very >erect upright manner, while mine sends out reclining stem out of the >pot that then travel along ground level, rooting as it grows away >from the pot, yet still making nice big leaves. It is not in full >sun, which is what I assume is the difference between mine and the >ones I have seen in full to nearly full sun at botanical gardens. >Any comments? > >Thanks! > >Adam > > > >_______________________________________________ >Aroid-l mailing list >Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com >http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: Dan Levin <levin at pixar.com> on 2004.08.31 at 06:46:33(12132) Hi Adam, For the record, my Lasia spinosa is currently growing exactly like yours. As you've described: it's meandering around the periphery of my pond with elongating, creeping stems- even though the plant originates from a pot situated in the middle of the water. I think it wants to break out of my greenhouse and give those naturalizing Amorpho. konjac's on the other side of the glass an invasive run for their money-- but I could be wrong. And I concur: it absolutely has everything to do with light exposure! My specimen was definitely staying put (and growing much more erect) prior to having its light gradually reduced by overhanging Heliconia leaves above, and some vigorously growing Cyrtosperma merkusii leaves (huge!) all along one side. Time to break out the ol' machete! As to germinating the seeds, I've not actually sowed Lasia myself-- but would think that Julius' recently suggested method (as pertaining to Cyrtosperma) would be quite suitable. I attach said Boosian Logic below. The original post was: [aroid-l] Cyrt seed distribution closed Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 +More "To germinate these seed, half-fill say a 1 gal pot w/ sphagnum (so that you create a space between the top of the sphag. and the top edge of the pot), place seeds on top of the wet sphagnum, cover the top of the pot w/ saran wrap w/ holes punched in it for ventilation, place pot in a warm place like on top your fridge. Grow seedlings in the sphag. till they have two or more leaves, pot into small pots and grow very moist/wet." --- If you have a Gro-Mat, by all means use it in lieu of your fridge top! I personally have good success using an inverted Zip-Loc baggie to cover 3" to 6" size seed pots, as opposed to using saran wrap/ poly film. The baggies are thicker/ stiffer & create a nice fixed air space above the pot. I do not seal the closure strip tightly against the pots; but rather maintain an opening at each end, which allows for some air exchange. But that's what works for me. Good luck with it! -Dan Adam Black wrote: > Hi All, > > Does anyone have any suggestions for germinating Lasia spinosa seeds? > > Also, my Lasia's growth habit is unlike those I have seen at botanical > gardens. All of the others I have seen grow in a very erect upright > manner, while mine sends out reclining stem out of the pot that then > travel along ground level, rooting as it grows away from the pot, yet > still making nice big leaves. It is not in full sun, which is what I > assume is the difference between mine and the ones I have seen in full > to nearly full sun at botanical gardens. Any comments? _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "Mike Bordelon" <Bordelon.Mike at NMNH.SI.EDU> on 2004.08.31 at 12:02:07(12135) It's for that reason that I grow mine in a cement mixing pan, app. 2'X3', with drainage holes about 2 inches from the top. It's doesn't get full sun and stands straight up with stems to 4 feet tall. For the seeds, I would keep them moist just slightly covered with soil. Mike Bordelon +More Botany Greenhouse Smithsonian Institution 4210 Silver Hill Rd. Suitland, MD 20746 301-238-3130 >>> epiphyte1@earthlink.net 08/30/04 09:36PM >>> Hi All, Does anyone have any suggestions for germinating Lasia spinosa seeds? Also, my Lasia's growth habit is unlike those I have seen at botanical gardens. All of the others I have seen grow in a very erect upright manner, while mine sends out reclining stem out of the pot that then travel along ground level, rooting as it grows away from the pot, yet still making nice big leaves. It is not in full sun, which is what I assume is the difference between mine and the ones I have seen in full to nearly full sun at botanical gardens. Any comments? Thanks! Adam _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: Adam Black <epiphyte1 at earthlink.net> on 2004.09.02 at 04:43:30(12142) Hi Julius, You mention that it takes a long time for the fruits to ripen - It was in early April 2003 when I asked this list how to pollinate my Lasia inflorescences, and you were the one who replied back with instructions. I had actually long forgotten about them, but now, seventeen months later they are ripe, and yes, they do have very large seeds. Thanks for both helping me pollinate this plant, and for the info on germinating the resulting seeds. And thanks to everyone else that replied with info as well. Thanks! Adam +More Julius Boos wrote: >From: Adam Black >Reply-To: Discussion of aroids >To: Discussion of aroids >Subject: [Aroid-l] Lasia spinosa seed germination >Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:36:19 -0400 > Hello Adam, Just place the ripe seeds (cleaned of their fruit covering) in wet sphagnum and stand back! This aquatic bears large seeds, the fruit take an exceptional length of time to ripen, almost or a full year or more. I have always seen them start to grow more or less erect for only 18" or so, then they always have begun to grow in a reclining or recumbrent form, spreading out of the pot along the ground. There are MANY leaf-forms in the plant, the largest (at about 6-8"!!!) is one from Ceylon w/ an entire leaf-blade that has elegant 'drip-tips'. Nice aquatic species of aroid, but with unforgiving spines whose tips always break off in your hands, always wear leather gloves when working w/ this devil! Hope this helps, Julius>Hi All, > > >Does anyone have any suggestions for germinating Lasia spinosa >seeds? > >Also, my Lasia's growth habit is unlike those I have seen at >botanical gardens. All of the others I have seen grow in a very >erect upright manner, while mine sends out reclining stem out of the >pot that then travel along ground level, rooting as it grows away >from the pot, yet still making nice big leaves. It is not in full >sun, which is what I assume is the difference between mine and the >ones I have seen in full to nearly full sun at botanical gardens. >Any comments? > >Thanks! > >Adam > > > >_______________________________________________ >Aroid-l mailing list >Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com >http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________Aroid-l mailing listAroid-l@gizmoworks.comhttp://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "Julius Boos" <ju-bo at msn.com> on 2004.09.03 at 07:21:50(12146) >From: Adam Black >Reply-To: Discussion of aroids >To: Discussion of aroids >Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Lasia spinosa seed germination >Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 00:43:30 -0400 > Dear Adam, Thanks for this information, I KNEW that the fruit took a long time to mature, but had not kept dates---17 months is a LONG time! I am pleased that the information that I managed to provide enabled you to pollinate this plant and enjoy the experience of producing your own seeds, good luck! Good Growing, Julius +More >Hi Julius, > >You mention that it takes a long time for the fruits to ripen - It >was in early April 2003 when I asked this list how to pollinate my >Lasia inflorescences, and you were the one who replied back with >instructions. I had actually long forgotten about them, but now, >seventeen months later they are ripe, and yes, they do have very >large seeds. Thanks for both helping me pollinate this plant, and >for the info on germinating the resulting seeds. And thanks to >everyone else that replied with info as well. > >Thanks! > >Adam > >Julius Boos wrote: > >> >> >> >From: Adam Black >Reply-To: Discussion >>of aroids >To: Discussion of aroids >> >Subject: [Aroid-l] Lasia spinosa seed >>germination >Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:36:19 -0400 > >> >>Hello Adam, >> >>Just place the ripe seeds (cleaned of their fruit covering) in wet >>sphagnum and stand back! This aquatic bears large seeds, the >>fruit take an exceptional length of time to ripen, almost or a full >>year or more. I have always seen them start to grow more or less >>erect for only 18" or so, then they always have begun to grow in a >>reclining or recumbrent form, spreading out of the pot along the >>ground. There are MANY leaf-forms in the plant, the largest (at >>about 6-8"!!!) is one from Ceylon w/ an entire leaf-blade that has >>elegant 'drip-tips'. Nice aquatic species of aroid, but with >>unforgiving spines whose tips always break off in your hands, >>always wear leather gloves when working w/ this devil! >> >>Hope this helps, >> >>Julius>Hi All, >> >> > > >Does anyone have any suggestions for germinating Lasia >>spinosa >seeds? > >Also, my Lasia's growth habit is unlike those I >>have seen at >botanical gardens. All of the others I have seen grow >>in a very >erect upright manner, while mine sends out reclining >>stem out of the >pot that then travel along ground level, rooting >>as it grows away >from the pot, yet still making nice big leaves. >>It is not in full >sun, which is what I assume is the difference >>between mine and the >ones I have seen in full to nearly full sun >>at botanical gardens. >Any comments? > >Thanks! > >Adam > > > >> >_______________________________________________ >Aroid-l mailing >>list >Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com >> >http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Aroid-l mailing list >>Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com >>http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l >> > >_______________________________________________ >Aroid-l mailing list >Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com >http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

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