Ants! Every kind, Everywhere!

From: mburack at mindspring.com> on 2002.01.22 at 15:46:01(8033) For those of you who dont grow plants in South Florida, I am doubtful that you could understand the "unreal" insect problem "we" deal with here. I have been looking for a way to kill a lot! of ants without having to use serious pesticides (I save the serious stuff for the more "colorful" groups of pest insects). Ants regularly invade and nest in every available pot I have and farm every miserable pest imaginable. Does anyone know of a good and fairly benign product that can be flooded on the plant as well as into the soil with good result? Thanks Marc

From: "Donald Burns" donburns at macconnect.com> on 2002.01.22 at 16:46:36(8034) Marc, Seems to me that the pest control guys down here use a common kitchen chemical (white powder) such as Arm & Hammer stuff to fight hard shelled insects. The last time we had a carpenter ant invasion, this stuff was used along with some more toxic stuff. Wish I could remember what it was. I'm sure someone else will know. Don +More mburack@mindspring.com writes: > > For those of you who dont grow plants in South Florida, I am doubtful that you could understand the "unreal" insect problem "we" deal with here. > > I have been looking for a way to kill a lot! of ants without having to use serious pesticides (I save the serious stuff for the more "colorful" groups of pest insects). > > Ants regularly invade and nest in every available pot I have and farm every miserable pest imaginable. Does anyone know of a good and fairly benign product that can be flooded on the plant as well as into the soil with good result? > > Thanks > > Marc

From: "john s. smolowe" johnsmolowe at pacbell.net> on 2002.01.23 at 03:21:13(8035) off the record, there is a chinese product called "miracle ant chalk" that comes 2 three-inch sticks of white chalk per $2 yellow and orange cardboard box. it is not licensed and therefore not available from nurseries, but can be found in chinatown groceries in major cities. it is said to contain pyrethrum or pyrethroids. works well indoors or on clay pots - just a single line across the ants column leads to the death of hundreds within hours. might be impractical on dirt and probably not good to use if toddlers are around as it looks just like blackboard chalk. john smolowe +More Donald Burns wrote: > Marc, > > Seems to me that the pest control guys down here use a common kitchen > chemical (white powder) such as Arm & Hammer stuff to fight hard shelled > insects. The last time we had a carpenter ant invasion, this stuff was used > along with some more toxic stuff. Wish I could remember what it was. I'm > sure someone else will know. > > Don > > mburack@mindspring.com writes: > > > > > For those of you who dont grow plants in South Florida, I am doubtful that you could understand the "unreal" insect problem "we" deal with here. > > > > I have been looking for a way to kill a lot! of ants without having to use serious pesticides (I save the serious stuff for the more "colorful" groups of pest insects). > > > > Ants regularly invade and nest in every available pot I have and farm every miserable pest imaginable. Does anyone know of a good and fairly benign product that can be flooded on the plant as well as into the soil with good result? > > > > Thanks > > > > Marc >

From: araceae at earthlink.net on 2002.01.23 at 03:23:23(8036) Amdro. >For those of you who dont grow plants in South Florida, I am >doubtful that you could understand the "unreal" insect problem "we" >deal with here. +More > >I have been looking for a way to kill a lot! of ants without having >to use serious pesticides (I save the serious stuff for the more >"colorful" groups of pest insects). > >Ants regularly invade and nest in every available pot I have and >farm every miserable pest imaginable. Does anyone know of a good >and fairly benign product that can be flooded on the plant as well >as into the soil with good result? > >Thanks > >Marc

From: magrysbo at shu.edu on 2002.01.23 at 03:23:34(8037) Boric acid. Mix a little into finely powdered sugar. Bonaventure Magrys +More "Donald Burns" nnect.com> cc: Sent by: Subject: Re: Ants! Every kind, Everywhere! aroid-l@mobot.o rg 01/22/2002 11:47 AM Please respond to aroid-l Marc, Seems to me that the pest control guys down here use a common kitchen chemical (white powder) such as Arm & Hammer stuff to fight hard shelled insects. The last time we had a carpenter ant invasion, this stuff was used along with some more toxic stuff. Wish I could remember what it was. I'm sure someone else will know. Don mburack@mindspring.com writes: > > For those of you who dont grow plants in South Florida, I am doubtful that you could understand the "unreal" insect problem "we" deal with here. > > I have been looking for a way to kill a lot! of ants without having to use serious pesticides (I save the serious stuff for the more "colorful" groups of pest insects). > > Ants regularly invade and nest in every available pot I have and farm every miserable pest imaginable. Does anyone know of a good and fairly benign product that can be flooded on the plant as well as into the soil with good result? > > Thanks > > Marc

From: Jill Bell godjillab at home.com> on 2002.01.23 at 03:23:46(8038) Hi, It seems to me that I remember hearing something about Boric Acid. I could be having a senior moment or something..... Best Regards, -- Jill Bell +More Illustration, Graphic Design, Web Design on 1/22/02 10:45 AM, mburack@mindspring.com at mburack@mindspring.com wrote: > > For those of you who dont grow plants in South Florida, I am doubtful that you > could understand the "unreal" insect problem "we" deal with here. > > I have been looking for a way to kill a lot! of ants without having to use > serious pesticides (I save the serious stuff for the more "colorful" groups of > pest insects). > > Ants regularly invade and nest in every available pot I have and farm every > miserable pest imaginable. Does anyone know of a good and fairly benign > product that can be flooded on the plant as well as into the soil with good > result? > > Thanks > > Marc

From: Dick Lutz rflutz at sover.net> on 2002.01.23 at 03:23:57(8039) Borax Borax does a very nasty job on ants. It also does a very nasty Job on soil, either a highly toxic level of micro nutrient or the pH is drastically altered. Use it in a place that the ants have to walk over it without it getting into the soil. In Vermont we use it on ants that get into the house. Dick Lutz +More on 1/22/02 11:47 AM, Donald Burns at donburns@macconnect.com wrote: > Marc, > > Seems to me that the pest control guys down here use a common kitchen > chemical (white powder) such as Arm & Hammer stuff to fight hard shelled > insects. The last time we had a carpenter ant invasion, this stuff was used > along with some more toxic stuff. Wish I could remember what it was. I'm > sure someone else will know. > > Don > > > mburack@mindspring.com writes: > >> >> For those of you who dont grow plants in South Florida, I am doubtful that >> you could understand the "unreal" insect problem "we" deal with here. >> >> I have been looking for a way to kill a lot! of ants without having to use >> serious pesticides (I save the serious stuff for the more "colorful" groups >> of pest insects). >> >> Ants regularly invade and nest in every available pot I have and farm every >> miserable pest imaginable. Does anyone know of a good and fairly benign >> product that can be flooded on the plant as well as into the soil with good >> result? >> >> Thanks >> >> Marc >

From: "Julius Boos" ju-bo at email.msn.com> on 2002.01.23 at 15:01:29(8041) Dear Friends, I`ve been following this thread of messages, and it seems that we are making too many generalities on 'ants'. Amdro does wonders on FIRE or RED ant mounds in your yard, but NOT on the small 'white-footed' ants we find in our Florida homes and kitchens. The WORST ant is the TINY yellow-orange ones that infest the drain holes of my pots on benches, they are almost microscopic in size and very slow moving, and when I place a pot on my thigh as I stoop to remove leaves or weeds, they get on to my fleash, crawl upwards, and then the stings/bites occor, and the itching is terrible, much worse than a red or fire ant! The only 'cure' that I have found for these is a quick squirt of aerosol ant-killer directly into the drain hole of the pot. The ones that farm pests on plants and nest in pots are probably the larger, very- fast-walking black pharo ants, and these are very difficult to get rid of, I have found that for these and the smaller white-footed, house-loving ants the thick (probably sweet) liquid sold at 'Lesco' and other outlets called 'Terro' ant bait sometimes works. Boric acid mixed in condensed milk would also be a possibility in killing these pests. Cheers, Julius +More <> >For those of you who dont grow plants in South Florida, I am >doubtful that you could understand the "unreal" insect problem "we" >deal with here. > >I have been looking for a way to kill a lot! of ants without having >to use serious pesticides (I save the serious stuff for the more >"colorful" groups of pest insects). > >Ants regularly invade and nest in every available pot I have and >farm every miserable pest imaginable. Does anyone know of a good >and fairly benign product that can be flooded on the plant as well >as into the soil with good result? > >Thanks > >Marc

From: mburack at mindspring.com> on 2002.01.23 at 16:36:33(8044) I agree... I have borax products to made specifically to kill ants, but I sure wouldnt want it watering down into the pot. Marc aroid-l@mobot.org wrote: +More > Borax Borax does a very nasty job on ants. It also does a very nasty Job on soil, either a highly toxic level of micro nutrient or the pH is drastically altered. Use it in a place that the ants have to walk over it without it getting into the soil. In Vermont we use it on ants that get into the house. Dick Lutz on 1/22/02 11:47 AM, Donald Burns at donburns@macconnect.com wrote: > Marc, > > Seems to me that the pest control guys down here use a common kitchen > chemical (white powder) such as Arm & Hammer stuff to fight hard shelled > insects. The last time we had a carpenter ant invasion, this stuff was used > along with some more toxic stuff. Wish I could remember what it was. I'm > sure someone else will know. > > Don > > > mburack@mindspring.com writes: > >> >> For those of you who dont grow plants in South Florida, I am doubtful that >> you could understand the "unreal" insect problem "we" deal with here. >> >> I have been looking for a way to kill a lot! of ants without having to use >> serious pesticides (I save the serious stuff for the more "colorful" groups >> of pest insects). >> >> Ants regularly invade and nest in every available pot I have and farm every >> miserable pest imaginable. Does anyone know of a good and fairly benign >> product that can be flooded on the plant as well as into the soil with good >> result? >> >> Thanks >> >> Marc >

From: mburack at mindspring.com> on 2002.01.23 at 16:37:15(8045) Dewey.. Amdro only kills fire ants (smile).. these arent. aroid-l@mobot.org wrote: > Amdro. +More >For those of you who dont grow plants in South Florida, I am >doubtful that you could understand the "unreal" insect problem "we" >deal with here. > >I have been looking for a way to kill a lot! of ants without having >to use serious pesticides (I save the serious stuff for the more >"colorful" groups of pest insects). > >Ants regularly invade and nest in every available pot I have and >farm every miserable pest imaginable. Does anyone know of a good >and fairly benign product that can be flooded on the plant as well >as into the soil with good result? > >Thanks > >Marc

From: mburack at mindspring.com> on 2002.01.23 at 16:37:27(8046) This sounds interesting John (although it probably is a "formed" boric acid product). Dont you think there could be potential problems, when the ants eat stuff like this (and boric acid) then procede to go back into the nest in the pot and die. Now you have hundreds or thousands of dead ants decomposing all with boric acid content (or other poison) leeching into the soil??? aroid-l@mobot.org wrote: +More > off the record, there is a chinese product called "miracle ant chalk" that comes 2 three-inch sticks of white chalk per $2 yellow and orange cardboard box. it is not licensed and therefore not available from nurseries, but can be found in chinatown groceries in major cities. it is said to contain pyrethrum or pyrethroids. works well indoors or on clay pots - just a single line across the ants column leads to the death of hundreds within hours. might be impractical on dirt and probably not good to use if toddlers are around as it looks just like blackboard chalk. john smolowe Donald Burns wrote: > Marc, > > Seems to me that the pest control guys down here use a common kitchen > chemical (white powder) such as Arm & Hammer stuff to fight hard shelled > insects. The last time we had a carpenter ant invasion, this stuff was used > along with some more toxic stuff. Wish I could remember what it was. I'm > sure someone else will know. > > Don > > mburack@mindspring.com writes: > > > > > For those of you who dont grow plants in South Florida, I am doubtful that you could understand the "unreal" insect problem "we" deal with here. > > > > I have been looking for a way to kill a lot! of ants without having to use serious pesticides (I save the serious stuff for the more "colorful" groups of pest insects). > > > > Ants regularly invade and nest in every available pot I have and farm every miserable pest imaginable. Does anyone know of a good and fairly benign product that can be flooded on the plant as well as into the soil with good result? > > > > Thanks > > > > Marc >

From: Durightmm at aol.com on 2002.01.23 at 18:39:46(8047) Then asdd a heaping amount of Dursban  lol Joe

From: Krzysztof Kozminski kk at kozminski.com> on 2002.01.23 at 18:41:03(8050) On Tue, 22 Jan 2002, john s. smolowe wrote: > off the record, there is a chinese product called "miracle ant chalk" > that comes 2 three-inch sticks of white chalk per $2 yellow and orange > cardboard box. it is not licensed and therefore not available from > nurseries, but can be found in chinatown groceries in major cities. it > is said to contain pyrethrum or pyrethroids. works well indoors or on > clay pots - just a single line across the ants column leads to the > death of hundreds within hours. might be impractical on dirt and > probably not good to use if toddlers are around as it looks just like > blackboard chalk. +More This is an understatement of the century. It is a HOMICIDAL idea to use it around toddlers, and STUPID idea otherwise. Check out this URL about the chalk: http://www.cdpr.ca.gov/docs/archives/pressrls/1998/chalk.htm. Some quotes from the above: "Deltamethrin and cypermethrin are synthetic pyrethroids, a class of insecticides that act on the nervous system. Overexposure to them can produce serious health effects, including vomiting, stomach pains, convulsions, tremors, coma, and death due to respiratory failure" "analyses of colorful boxes typically used for these products has found high levels of lead and other heavy metals" "Consumers who have purchased these illegal products should dispose of them at their local household hazardous waste facilities" In California, this stuff is illegal and sellers can be fined up to $5K for selling it. "If anyone knows where such products are being sold, please call DPR's Enforcement Branch, at (916) 445-3920, or the local county agricultural commissioner," KK > > Donald Burns wrote: > > > Marc, > > > > Seems to me that the pest control guys down here use a common kitchen > > chemical (white powder) such as Arm & Hammer stuff to fight hard shelled > > insects. The last time we had a carpenter ant invasion, this stuff was used > > along with some more toxic stuff. Wish I could remember what it was. I'm > > sure someone else will know. > > > > Don > > > > mburack@mindspring.com writes: > > > > > > > > For those of you who dont grow plants in South Florida, I am doubtful that you could understand the "unreal" insect problem "we" deal with here. > > > > > > I have been looking for a way to kill a lot! of ants without having to use serious pesticides (I save the serious stuff for the more "colorful" groups of pest insects). > > > > > > Ants regularly invade and nest in every available pot I have and farm every miserable pest imaginable. Does anyone know of a good and fairly benign product that can be flooded on the plant as well as into the soil with good result? > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Marc > > > ==================== "Microsoft is to software what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking" Krzysztof Kozminski kk@kozminski.com http://www.kozminski.com/

From: Piabinha at aol.com on 2002.01.23 at 21:44:13(8053) i tried this stuff years ago when people would swear by it for roaches. it didn't work. so not only is this stuff poisonous, it doesn't seem to work. tsuh yang

From: magrysbo at shu.edu on 2002.01.24 at 04:18:57(8057) Don't confuse these with the short dark brown sticks. Those are chocolate covered ants. +More pring.com> To: Multiple recipients of list AROID-L Sent by: cc: aroid-l@mobot. Subject: Re: Re: Ants! Every kind, Everywhere! org 01/23/2002 11:37 AM Please respond to aroid-l This sounds interesting John (although it probably is a "formed" boric acid product). Dont you think there could be potential problems, when the ants eat stuff like this (and boric acid) then procede to go back into the nest in the pot and die. Now you have hundreds or thousands of dead ants decomposing all with boric acid content (or other poison) leeching into the soil??? aroid-l@mobot.org wrote: > off the record, there is a chinese product called "miracle ant chalk" that comes 2 three-inch sticks of white chalk per $2 yellow and orange cardboard box. it is not licensed and therefore not available from nurseries, but can be found in chinatown groceries in major cities. it is said to contain pyrethrum or pyrethroids. works well indoors or on clay pots - just a single line across the ants column leads to the death of hundreds within hours. might be impractical on dirt and probably not good to use if toddlers are around as it looks just like blackboard chalk. john smolowe Donald Burns wrote: > Marc, > > Seems to me that the pest control guys down here use a common kitchen > chemical (white powder) such as Arm & Hammer stuff to fight hard shelled > insects. The last time we had a carpenter ant invasion, this stuff was used > along with some more toxic stuff. Wish I could remember what it was. I'm > sure someone else will know. > > Don > > mburack@mindspring.com writes: > > > > > For those of you who dont grow plants in South Florida, I am doubtful that you could understand the "unreal" insect problem "we" deal with here. > > > > I have been looking for a way to kill a lot! of ants without having to use serious pesticides (I save the serious stuff for the more "colorful" groups of pest insects). > > > > Ants regularly invade and nest in every available pot I have and farm every miserable pest imaginable. Does anyone know of a good and fairly benign product that can be flooded on the plant as well as into the soil with good result? > > > > Thanks > > > > Marc >

From: StellrJ at aol.com on 2002.01.24 at 14:21:17(8059) In a message dated Wed, 23 Jan 2002 4:44:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, Piabinha@aol.com writes: > i tried this stuff years ago when people would swear by it for roaches. it didn't work. so not only is this stuff poisonous, it doesn't seem to work. > Maybe that's because it isn't called Miracle Roach Chalk. A product designed for ants may legitimately be ineffective on roaches. To get back to the "homicidal" bit -- is any other chemical pesticide any safer around toddlers? Numerous household products can kill toddlers, but we do not say it is homicidal to use them for their intended purposes. Jason Hernandez +More Naturalist-at-Large

From: "sullivan" paulsull at sunline.net> on 2002.01.24 at 15:57:53(8065) i use a product called terro foir the sugar ants that infest my potted plants in Southwest Florida. ----- Original Message ----- +More To: Multiple recipients of list AROID-L Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 11:37 AM Subject: Re: Re: Ants! Every kind, Everywhere! > > This sounds interesting John (although it probably is a "formed" boric acid product). Dont you think there could be potential problems, when the ants eat stuff like this (and boric acid) then procede to go back into the nest in the pot and die. Now you have hundreds or thousands of dead ants decomposing all with boric acid content (or other poison) leeching into the soil??? > > > aroid-l@mobot.org wrote: > > off the record, there is a chinese product called "miracle ant chalk" that comes 2 three-inch sticks of white chalk per $2 yellow and orange cardboard box. it is not licensed and therefore not available from nurseries, but can be found > in chinatown groceries in major cities. it is said to contain pyrethrum or pyrethroids. works well indoors or on clay pots - just a single line across the ants column leads to the death of hundreds within hours. might be impractical on > dirt and probably not good to use if toddlers are around as it looks just like blackboard chalk. > > john smolowe > > Donald Burns wrote: > > > Marc, > > > > Seems to me that the pest control guys down here use a common kitchen > > chemical (white powder) such as Arm & Hammer stuff to fight hard shelled > > insects. The last time we had a carpenter ant invasion, this stuff was used > > along with some more toxic stuff. Wish I could remember what it was. I'm > > sure someone else will know. > > > > Don > > > > mburack@mindspring.com writes: > > > > > > > > For those of you who dont grow plants in South Florida, I am doubtful that you could understand the "unreal" insect problem "we" deal with here. > > > > > > I have been looking for a way to kill a lot! of ants without having to use serious pesticides (I save the serious stuff for the more "colorful" groups of pest insects). > > > > > > Ants regularly invade and nest in every available pot I have and farm every miserable pest imaginable. Does anyone know of a good and fairly benign product that can be flooded on the plant as well as into the soil with good result? > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Marc > > > > >

From: Piabinha at aol.com on 2002.01.24 at 18:29:05(8066) In a message dated Thu, 24 Jan 2002 9:21:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, StellrJ@aol.com writes: > Maybe that's because it isn't called Miracle Roach Chalk. A product designed for ants may legitimately be ineffective on roaches. it's packaged as miracle chalk, and advertised as efficient in killing roaches. tyc

From: "David Ruland" druland at atlantabotanicalgarden.org> on 2002.01.25 at 03:35:52(8069) Greetings to all from atlanta. I have found in the past that soapy water has rid my outdoor pots from fire ants and seems to have little effect on the plants although I haven't used it on my aroids. +More -----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 10:58 AM To: Multiple recipients of list AROID-L Subject: Re: Re: Ants! Every kind, Everywhere! i use a product called terro foir the sugar ants that infest my potted plants in Southwest Florida. ----- Original Message ----- To: Multiple recipients of list AROID-L Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 11:37 AM Subject: Re: Re: Ants! Every kind, Everywhere! > > This sounds interesting John (although it probably is a "formed" boric acid product). Dont you think there could be potential problems, when the ants eat stuff like this (and boric acid) then procede to go back into the nest in the pot and die. Now you have hundreds or thousands of dead ants decomposing all with boric acid content (or other poison) leeching into the soil??? > > > aroid-l@mobot.org wrote: > > off the record, there is a chinese product called "miracle ant chalk" that comes 2 three-inch sticks of white chalk per $2 yellow and orange cardboard box. it is not licensed and therefore not available from nurseries, but can be found > in chinatown groceries in major cities. it is said to contain pyrethrum or pyrethroids. works well indoors or on clay pots - just a single line across the ants column leads to the death of hundreds within hours. might be impractical on > dirt and probably not good to use if toddlers are around as it looks just like blackboard chalk. > > john smolowe > > Donald Burns wrote: > > > Marc, > > > > Seems to me that the pest control guys down here use a common kitchen > > chemical (white powder) such as Arm & Hammer stuff to fight hard shelled > > insects. The last time we had a carpenter ant invasion, this stuff was used > > along with some more toxic stuff. Wish I could remember what it was. I'm > > sure someone else will know. > > > > Don > > > > mburack@mindspring.com writes: > > > > > > > > For those of you who dont grow plants in South Florida, I am doubtful that you could understand the "unreal" insect problem "we" deal with here. > > > > > > I have been looking for a way to kill a lot! of ants without having to use serious pesticides (I save the serious stuff for the more "colorful" groups of pest insects). > > > > > > Ants regularly invade and nest in every available pot I have and farm every miserable pest imaginable. Does anyone know of a good and fairly benign product that can be flooded on the plant as well as into the soil with good result? > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Marc > > > > >

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