AMORPHOPHALLUS @ Fairchild Tropical Garden

From: "FTG Conservatory, Craig Allen" conserv at netrox.net> on 2000.04.24 at 23:24:31(4409) AMORPHOPHALLUS @ Fairchild Tropical Garden The growing season has started along the bay in Miami. I?ve been out of town for several weeks and during that time the amorphophallus collection began to break dormancy. I made a list of the species that are blooming, are about to bloom, and or just finished. FG 941491 Amorphophallus gigas "inflorescence now 76" tall, spadix showing but not mature" (ID84) SOURCE: Don Evans: when the Wilbert Hetterscheid & Dr James Symon expedition brought back seeds of the A, titanium, these seeds were included. 9/13/93 BLOOM PERIOD: 5/99; 6/99; 4/24/2000 HORTICULTURE: All reports given to me say it is hard to keep alive. * It will be at tonight's IAS meeting (4/24/2000) ....................................................... Amorphophallus haematospadix (syn.: A. siamensis) FG 961039 - inflorescence now 13", spadix just beginning to show (ID2149) SOURCE: Mike McLaughlin, Allen Howard, Jack Fisher: Malaysia: State of Perlis: Gua Kelam Recreation Area: Mata Ayer Forest Preserve. 3 May 1996. BLOOM PERIOD: 4/99; 4/2000 DESCRIPTION: striking slender inflorescence, slender leathery leaves are unmistakable. In 1999 the first inflorescence was produced. It lasted longer than most species, more than a week. Over all it is 30" tall, taller than any Mike saw in the rainforest. The stem is 18" the actual inflorescence 12". The spadix is 1.25" thick, 10" long smooth and colored a deep burgundy/purple. The spathe is white aging to lavender, darker towards the base. The bloom stalk like the leaf has no mottling. It has a fragrance much like rotting fruit, not of carrion as is common on many other species. ....................................................... FG 961019 Amorphophallus sp. "inflorescence still wrapped in sheath" (ID2313) SOURCE: Dr. L. G. Saw; Collected Malaysia: state of Perlis: Guar Jentik: Kaki Bukit. Malaysia Expedition 1996 (Jack Fisher, Allen Howard, Mike McLaughlin) 5/4/96. BLOOM PERIOD: 4/21/98; 5/13/98; 4/24/2000; DESCRIPTION: When it bloomed in 4/98, it looked very much like (ID2314) Looks similar to the A. prainii listed in Aroidiana Vol. 19, p. 112. ....................................................... FG 961022 Amorphophallus sp. ?11inch inflorescence still tightly wrapped in sheath? (ID2314) SOURCE: Dr. L.G. Saw Malaysia: State of Perlis: Gua Kelam Recreational Area: Mata Ayer Forest Preserve. Malayasia Expedition 1006 (Jack Fisher, Allen Howard, Mike McLaughlin) 16. 5/3/96. BLOOM PERIOD: 4/18/98; 4/24/2000 DESCRIPTION: (Looks similar to the A, prainii listed in Aroidiana Vol. 19, p. 112.) Looks much like (ID2313) 961019 but with out the recurved spathe edge. The tuber is a very symmetrical pumpkin shape. The depression at the top is very deep. ??????????????. FG 80198 Sauromatum guttatum "several bloomed while I was away another looks ready in 3-5 days" (ID1961) COMMON NAME: Voodoo Lily, Monarch of the East SOURCE: Dr. Jim French, from horticulture BLOOM PERIOD: 5/98; 6/98; 3/2000 DESCRIPTION: Inflorescence last only 1 or 2 days, smells like urine ???????????????. (ID2741) Amorphophallus sp. ?in full bloom, inflorescence about 10-12? SOURCE: Donated by Dewey Fisk: SLY 515 collected by Si-Lin Yang. Catba Islands, Vietnam, collected on Oct. 20, 1994 BLOOM PERIOD: 4/24/2000 DESCRIPTION: Inflorescence is a small A. peonifolius ???????????????? FG 961266 Amorphophallus sp. ?just about finished blooming. Inflorescence is 32? tall? (ID2312) SOURCE: Dr. Si-Lin Yang wild collected in Thailand, Chaing Mai. DESCRIPTION: Looks like A. yunnanensis, Aroidiana Vol. 19, 1996 pp. 127-8 ????????????????. FG 97630 Amorphophallus variabilis ?inflorescence is 19? tall, spadix beginning to show? (ID2352) SOURCE: Reggie Whitehead and Tom Moore collected in Java' Cibadak, 6/97 BLOOM PERIOD: 5/19/98; 4/24/2000 DESCRIPTION: not a large species ........................................................ FG 961201 Amorphophallus lambii Araceae ? several plants have bloomed this spring, they are all finished blooming. The inflorescence averaged 12? (ID2307) SOURCE: Dr. Jack Fisher: wild collected Malaysia: Sabah: Gua Gomantung. Slope, deep forest shade. Inflorescence 35 cm. tall. Malaysia Expedition 1996 ( Jack Fisher, Allen Howard, Mike McLaughlin) BLOOM PERIOD: E 4/22/98; B 3/30/99; C 4/14/99; 8/99; 4/2000 HORTICULTURE: The Aroidiana Vol. 19 mentions that this is a species that does not thrive in cultivation. The article mentions that they seen to decline for some unknown reason. DESCRIPTION: Amorphophallus lambii is one that gets large. The inflorescence has a distinct smell of urine. I noticed when B bloomed in 3/99, the odor was slight in the day but started getting much stronger about 5 PM. Craig M. Allen +More Conservatory Manager Fairchild Tropical Garden 10901 Old Cutler Road Coral Gables, Florida 33156-4296 Tel. 305-667-1651 ext. 3320 Fax 305-661-8953 e-mail conserv@netrox.net web: www.ftg.org

From: "Bonaventure W Magrys" magrysbo at shu.edu> on 2000.04.25 at 23:35:26(4420) Dear Craig, Anthurium, Spathiphyllum, Caladium, and Calla, are among aroid genera which have horticulturally benefited greatly from a program of hybridization and breeding. Now that you have several species of Amorphophallus and relatives blooming or ready to, together, howbout saving pollen from one and putting it on others when receptive, to produce hybrids? The benefits, at least, may turn out to be hybrid vigor and decreased maturation time. Many unexpected surprises turn up also. There would probably be a ready market for such seed or seedlings as many of us would be eager to grow up some of these.......... Bonaventure W. Magrys +More Elizabeth, NJ zone 6 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>AMORPHOPHALLUS @ Fairchild Tropical Garden The growing season has started along the bay in Miami. I?ve been out of town for several weeks and during that time the amorphophallus collection began to break dormancy. I made a list of the species that are blooming, are about to bloom, and or just finished. FG 941491 Amorphophallus gigas "inflorescence now 76" tall, spadix showing but not mature" (ID84) SOURCE: Don Evans: when the Wilbert Hetterscheid & Dr James Symon expedition brought back seeds of the A, titanium, these seeds were included. 9/13/93 BLOOM PERIOD: 5/99; 6/99; 4/24/2000 HORTICULTURE: All reports given to me say it is hard to keep alive. * It will be at tonight's IAS meeting (4/24/2000) ..................................................... Amorphophallus haematospadix (syn.: A. siamensis) FG 961039 - inflorescence now 13", spadix just beginning to show (ID2149) SOURCE: Mike McLaughlin, Allen Howard, Jack Fisher: Malaysia: State of Perlis: Gua Kelam Recreation Area: Mata Ayer Forest Preserve. 3 May 1996. BLOOM PERIOD: 4/99; 4/2000 DESCRIPTION: striking slender inflorescence, slender leathery leaves are unmistakable. In 1999 the first inflorescence was produced. It lasted longer than most species, more than a week. Over all it is 30" tall, taller than any Mike saw in the rainforest. The stem is 18" the actual inflorescence 12". The spadix is 1.25" thick, 10" long smooth and colored a deep burgundy/purple. The spathe is white aging to lavender, darker towards the base. The bloom stalk like the leaf has no mottling. It has a fragrance much like rotting fruit, not of carrion as is common on many other species. ..................................................... FG 961019 Amorphophallus sp. "inflorescence still wrapped in sheath" (ID2313) SOURCE: Dr. L. G. Saw; Collected Malaysia: state of Perlis: Guar Jentik: Kaki Bukit. Malaysia Expedition 1996 (Jack Fisher, Allen Howard, Mike McLaughlin) 5/4/96. BLOOM PERIOD: 4/21/98; 5/13/98; 4/24/2000; DESCRIPTION: When it bloomed in 4/98, it looked very much like (ID2314) Looks similar to the A. prainii listed in Aroidiana Vol. 19, p. 112. ..................................................... FG 961022 Amorphophallus sp. ?11inch inflorescence still tightly wrapped in sheath? (ID2314) SOURCE: Dr. L.G. Saw Malaysia: State of Perlis: Gua Kelam Recreational Area: Mata Ayer Forest Preserve. Malayasia Expedition 1006 (Jack Fisher, Allen Howard, Mike McLaughlin) 16. 5/3/96. BLOOM PERIOD: 4/18/98; 4/24/2000 DESCRIPTION: (Looks similar to the A, prainii listed in Aroidiana Vol. 19, p. 112.) Looks much like (ID2313) 961019 but with out the recurved spathe edge. The tuber is a very symmetrical pumpkin shape. The depression at the top is very deep. ??????????????. FG 80198 Sauromatum guttatum "several bloomed while I was away another looks ready in 3-5 days" (ID1961) COMMON NAME: Voodoo Lily, Monarch of the East SOURCE: Dr. Jim French, from horticulture BLOOM PERIOD: 5/98; 6/98; 3/2000 DESCRIPTION: Inflorescence last only 1 or 2 days, smells like urine ???????????????. (ID2741) Amorphophallus sp. ?in full bloom, inflorescence about 10-12? SOURCE: Donated by Dewey Fisk: SLY 515 collected by Si-Lin Yang. Catba Islands, Vietnam, collected on Oct. 20, 1994 BLOOM PERIOD: 4/24/2000 DESCRIPTION: Inflorescence is a small A. peonifolius ???????????????? FG 961266 Amorphophallus sp. ?just about finished blooming. Inflorescence is 32? tall? (ID2312) SOURCE: Dr. Si-Lin Yang wild collected in Thailand, Chaing Mai. DESCRIPTION: Looks like A. yunnanensis, Aroidiana Vol. 19, 1996 pp. 127-8 ????????????????. FG 97630 Amorphophallus variabilis ?inflorescence is 19? tall, spadix beginning to show? (ID2352) SOURCE: Reggie Whitehead and Tom Moore collected in Java' Cibadak, 6/97 BLOOM PERIOD: 5/19/98; 4/24/2000 DESCRIPTION: not a large species ...................................................... FG 961201 Amorphophallus lambii Araceae ? several plants have bloomed this spring, they are all finished blooming. The inflorescence averaged 12? (ID2307) SOURCE: Dr. Jack Fisher: wild collected Malaysia: Sabah: Gua Gomantung. Slope, deep forest shade. Inflorescence 35 cm. tall. Malaysia Expedition 1996 ( Jack Fisher, Allen Howard, Mike McLaughlin) BLOOM PERIOD: E 4/22/98; B 3/30/99; C 4/14/99; 8/99; 4/2000 HORTICULTURE: The Aroidiana Vol. 19 mentions that this is a species that does not thrive in cultivation. The article mentions that they seen to decline for some unknown reason. DESCRIPTION: Amorphophallus lambii is one that gets large. The inflorescence has a distinct smell of urine. I noticed when B bloomed in 3/99, the odor was slight in the day but started getting much stronger about 5 PM. Craig M. Allen Conservatory Manager Fairchild Tropical Garden 10901 Old Cutler Road Coral Gables, Florida 33156-4296 Tel. 305-667-1651 ext. 3320 Fax 305-661-8953 e-mail conserv@netrox.net web: www.ftg.org

From: Scott Hyndman hyndman at aroid.org> on 2000.04.26 at 03:05:17(4422) Your idea is an interesting one, but keep in mind that without the very careful documentation of proposed Amorphophallus hybrids, the taxonomy could become very confused, just as it is already in the many hybrids that exist of Anthurium, Caladium, and Spathiphyllum. Regards, Scott +More -------------------- Mr. Scott E. Hyndman Vero Beach, Florida, USA USDA Hardiness Zone 10a E-mail: > From: "Bonaventure W Magrys" > Reply-To: aroid-l@mobot.org > Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 18:35:16 -0500 (CDT) > To: Multiple recipients of list AROID-L > Subject: Re: AMORPHOPHALLUS @ Fairchild Tropical Garden > > Dear Craig, > Anthurium, Spathiphyllum, Caladium, and Calla, are among aroid genera which > have > horticulturally benefited greatly from a program of hybridization and > breeding. > Now that you have several species of Amorphophallus and relatives blooming or > ready to, together, howbout saving pollen from one and putting it on others > when > receptive, to produce hybrids? > The benefits, at least, may turn out to be hybrid vigor and decreased > maturation > time. Many unexpected surprises turn up also. > There would probably be a ready market for such seed or seedlings as many of > us > would be eager to grow up some of these.......... > > Bonaventure W. Magrys > Elizabeth, NJ zone 6 > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AMORPHOPHALLUS @ Fairchild Tropical Garden > > The growing season has started along the bay in Miami. I?ve been out of town > for several weeks and during that time the amorphophallus collection began > to break dormancy. I made a list of the species that are blooming, are about > to bloom, and or just finished. > > FG 941491 Amorphophallus gigas "inflorescence now 76" tall, spadix > showing but not mature" (ID84) > SOURCE: Don Evans: when the Wilbert Hetterscheid & Dr James Symon expedition > brought back seeds of the A, titanium, these seeds were included. 9/13/93 > BLOOM PERIOD: 5/99; 6/99; 4/24/2000 > HORTICULTURE: All reports given to me say it is hard to keep alive. > * It will be at tonight's IAS meeting (4/24/2000) > ..................................................... > > Amorphophallus haematospadix (syn.: A. siamensis) FG 961039 - > inflorescence now 13", spadix just beginning to show (ID2149) > SOURCE: Mike McLaughlin, Allen Howard, Jack Fisher: Malaysia: State of > Perlis: Gua Kelam Recreation Area: Mata Ayer Forest Preserve. 3 May 1996. > BLOOM PERIOD: 4/99; 4/2000 > DESCRIPTION: striking slender inflorescence, slender leathery leaves are > unmistakable. In 1999 the first inflorescence was produced. It lasted longer > than most species, more than a week. Over all it is 30" tall, taller than > any Mike saw in the rainforest. The stem is 18" the actual inflorescence > 12". The spadix is 1.25" thick, 10" long smooth and colored a deep > burgundy/purple. The spathe is white aging to lavender, darker towards the > base. The bloom stalk like the leaf has no mottling. It has a fragrance much > like rotting fruit, not of carrion as is common on many other species. > ..................................................... > > FG 961019 Amorphophallus sp. "inflorescence still wrapped in sheath" > (ID2313) > SOURCE: Dr. L. G. Saw; Collected Malaysia: state of Perlis: Guar Jentik: > Kaki Bukit. Malaysia Expedition 1996 (Jack Fisher, Allen Howard, Mike > McLaughlin) 5/4/96. > BLOOM PERIOD: 4/21/98; 5/13/98; 4/24/2000; > DESCRIPTION: When it bloomed in 4/98, it looked very much like (ID2314) > Looks similar to the A. prainii listed in Aroidiana Vol. 19, p. 112. > ..................................................... > > FG 961022 Amorphophallus sp. ?11inch inflorescence still tightly wrapped > in sheath? (ID2314) > SOURCE: Dr. L.G. Saw Malaysia: State of Perlis: Gua Kelam Recreational > Area: Mata Ayer Forest Preserve. Malayasia Expedition 1006 (Jack Fisher, > Allen Howard, Mike McLaughlin) 16. 5/3/96. > BLOOM PERIOD: 4/18/98; 4/24/2000 > DESCRIPTION: (Looks similar to the A, prainii listed in Aroidiana Vol. 19, > p. 112.) Looks much like (ID2313) 961019 but with out the recurved spathe > edge. The tuber is a very symmetrical pumpkin shape. The depression at the > top is very deep. > ??????????????. > > FG 80198 Sauromatum guttatum "several bloomed while I was away another > looks ready in 3-5 days" (ID1961) > COMMON NAME: Voodoo Lily, Monarch of the East > SOURCE: Dr. Jim French, from horticulture BLOOM PERIOD: 5/98; 6/98; > 3/2000 > DESCRIPTION: Inflorescence last only 1 or 2 days, smells like urine > ???????????????. > > (ID2741) Amorphophallus sp. ?in full bloom, inflorescence about 10-12? > SOURCE: Donated by Dewey Fisk: SLY 515 collected by Si-Lin Yang. Catba > Islands, Vietnam, collected on Oct. 20, 1994 > BLOOM PERIOD: 4/24/2000 > DESCRIPTION: Inflorescence is a small A. peonifolius > ???????????????? > > FG 961266 Amorphophallus sp. ?just about finished blooming. Inflorescence > is 32? tall? (ID2312) > SOURCE: Dr. Si-Lin Yang wild collected in Thailand, Chaing Mai. > DESCRIPTION: Looks like A. yunnanensis, Aroidiana Vol. 19, 1996 pp. 127-8 > ????????????????. > > FG 97630 Amorphophallus variabilis ?inflorescence is 19? tall, > spadix beginning to show? (ID2352) > SOURCE: Reggie Whitehead and Tom Moore collected in Java' Cibadak, 6/97 > BLOOM PERIOD: 5/19/98; 4/24/2000 > DESCRIPTION: not a large species > ...................................................... > > FG 961201 Amorphophallus lambii Araceae ? several plants have bloomed > this spring, they are all finished blooming. The inflorescence averaged 12? > (ID2307) > SOURCE: Dr. Jack Fisher: wild collected Malaysia: Sabah: Gua Gomantung. > Slope, deep forest shade. Inflorescence 35 cm. tall. Malaysia Expedition > 1996 ( Jack Fisher, Allen Howard, Mike McLaughlin) BLOOM PERIOD: E > 4/22/98; B 3/30/99; C 4/14/99; 8/99; 4/2000 > HORTICULTURE: The Aroidiana Vol. 19 mentions that this is a species that > does not thrive in cultivation. The article mentions that they seen to > decline for some unknown reason. > DESCRIPTION: Amorphophallus lambii is one that gets large. The > inflorescence has a distinct smell of urine. I noticed when B bloomed in > 3/99, the odor was slight in the day but started getting much stronger about > 5 PM. > > Craig M. Allen > Conservatory Manager > Fairchild Tropical Garden > 10901 Old Cutler Road > Coral Gables, Florida 33156-4296 > Tel. 305-667-1651 ext. 3320 > Fax 305-661-8953 > e-mail conserv@netrox.net > web: www.ftg.org > > >

From: "Wilbert Hetterscheid" hetter at worldonline.nl> on 2000.04.26 at 21:55:41(4430) The first person to distribute hybridised Amorphophalluses will have to watch his/her back for the rest of his/her life..................or must learn all twohundred REAL species by heart!!!!! Wilbert +More ----- Original Message ----- To: Multiple recipients of list AROID-L Sent: woensdag 26 april 2000 5:05 Subject: Re: AMORPHOPHALLUS @ Fairchild Tropical Garden > Your idea is an interesting one, but keep in mind that without the very > careful documentation of proposed Amorphophallus hybrids, the taxonomy could > become very confused, just as it is already in the many hybrids that exist > of Anthurium, Caladium, and Spathiphyllum. > > Regards, Scott > > -------------------- > Mr. Scott E. Hyndman > Vero Beach, Florida, USA > USDA Hardiness Zone 10a > E-mail: > > > > From: "Bonaventure W Magrys" > > Reply-To: aroid-l@mobot.org > > Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 18:35:16 -0500 (CDT) > > To: Multiple recipients of list AROID-L > > Subject: Re: AMORPHOPHALLUS @ Fairchild Tropical Garden > > > > Dear Craig, > > Anthurium, Spathiphyllum, Caladium, and Calla, are among aroid genera which > > have > > horticulturally benefited greatly from a program of hybridization and > > breeding. > > Now that you have several species of Amorphophallus and relatives blooming or > > ready to, together, howbout saving pollen from one and putting it on others > > when > > receptive, to produce hybrids? > > The benefits, at least, may turn out to be hybrid vigor and decreased > > maturation > > time. Many unexpected surprises turn up also. > > There would probably be a ready market for such seed or seedlings as many of > > us > > would be eager to grow up some of these.......... > > > > Bonaventure W. Magrys > > Elizabeth, NJ zone 6 > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AMORPHOPHALLUS @ Fairchild Tropical Garden > > > > The growing season has started along the bay in Miami. I?ve been out of town > > for several weeks and during that time the amorphophallus collection began > > to break dormancy. I made a list of the species that are blooming, are about > > to bloom, and or just finished. > > > > FG 941491 Amorphophallus gigas "inflorescence now 76" tall, spadix > > showing but not mature" (ID84) > > SOURCE: Don Evans: when the Wilbert Hetterscheid & Dr James Symon expedition > > brought back seeds of the A, titanium, these seeds were included. 9/13/93 > > BLOOM PERIOD: 5/99; 6/99; 4/24/2000 > > HORTICULTURE: All reports given to me say it is hard to keep alive. > > * It will be at tonight's IAS meeting (4/24/2000) > > ..................................................... > > > > Amorphophallus haematospadix (syn.: A. siamensis) FG 961039 - > > inflorescence now 13", spadix just beginning to show (ID2149) > > SOURCE: Mike McLaughlin, Allen Howard, Jack Fisher: Malaysia: State of > > Perlis: Gua Kelam Recreation Area: Mata Ayer Forest Preserve. 3 May 1996. > > BLOOM PERIOD: 4/99; 4/2000 > > DESCRIPTION: striking slender inflorescence, slender leathery leaves are > > unmistakable. In 1999 the first inflorescence was produced. It lasted longer > > than most species, more than a week. Over all it is 30" tall, taller than > > any Mike saw in the rainforest. The stem is 18" the actual inflorescence > > 12". The spadix is 1.25" thick, 10" long smooth and colored a deep > > burgundy/purple. The spathe is white aging to lavender, darker towards the > > base. The bloom stalk like the leaf has no mottling. It has a fragrance much > > like rotting fruit, not of carrion as is common on many other species. > > ..................................................... > > > > FG 961019 Amorphophallus sp. "inflorescence still wrapped in sheath" > > (ID2313) > > SOURCE: Dr. L. G. Saw; Collected Malaysia: state of Perlis: Guar Jentik: > > Kaki Bukit. Malaysia Expedition 1996 (Jack Fisher, Allen Howard, Mike > > McLaughlin) 5/4/96. > > BLOOM PERIOD: 4/21/98; 5/13/98; 4/24/2000; > > DESCRIPTION: When it bloomed in 4/98, it looked very much like (ID2314) > > Looks similar to the A. prainii listed in Aroidiana Vol. 19, p. 112. > > ..................................................... > > > > FG 961022 Amorphophallus sp. ?11inch inflorescence still tightly wrapped > > in sheath? (ID2314) > > SOURCE: Dr. L.G. Saw Malaysia: State of Perlis: Gua Kelam Recreational > > Area: Mata Ayer Forest Preserve. Malayasia Expedition 1006 (Jack Fisher, > > Allen Howard, Mike McLaughlin) 16. 5/3/96. > > BLOOM PERIOD: 4/18/98; 4/24/2000 > > DESCRIPTION: (Looks similar to the A, prainii listed in Aroidiana Vol. 19, > > p. 112.) Looks much like (ID2313) 961019 but with out the recurved spathe > > edge. The tuber is a very symmetrical pumpkin shape. The depression at the > > top is very deep. > > ??????????????. > > > > FG 80198 Sauromatum guttatum "several bloomed while I was away another > > looks ready in 3-5 days" (ID1961) > > COMMON NAME: Voodoo Lily, Monarch of the East > > SOURCE: Dr. Jim French, from horticulture BLOOM PERIOD: 5/98; 6/98; > > 3/2000 > > DESCRIPTION: Inflorescence last only 1 or 2 days, smells like urine > > ???????????????. > > > > (ID2741) Amorphophallus sp. ?in full bloom, inflorescence about 10-12? > > SOURCE: Donated by Dewey Fisk: SLY 515 collected by Si-Lin Yang. Catba > > Islands, Vietnam, collected on Oct. 20, 1994 > > BLOOM PERIOD: 4/24/2000 > > DESCRIPTION: Inflorescence is a small A. peonifolius > > ???????????????? > > > > FG 961266 Amorphophallus sp. ?just about finished blooming. Inflorescence > > is 32? tall? (ID2312) > > SOURCE: Dr. Si-Lin Yang wild collected in Thailand, Chaing Mai. > > DESCRIPTION: Looks like A. yunnanensis, Aroidiana Vol. 19, 1996 pp. 127-8 > > ????????????????. > > > > FG 97630 Amorphophallus variabilis ?inflorescence is 19? tall, > > spadix beginning to show? (ID2352) > > SOURCE: Reggie Whitehead and Tom Moore collected in Java' Cibadak, 6/97 > > BLOOM PERIOD: 5/19/98; 4/24/2000 > > DESCRIPTION: not a large species > > ...................................................... > > > > FG 961201 Amorphophallus lambii Araceae ? several plants have bloomed > > this spring, they are all finished blooming. The inflorescence averaged 12? > > (ID2307) > > SOURCE: Dr. Jack Fisher: wild collected Malaysia: Sabah: Gua Gomantung. > > Slope, deep forest shade. Inflorescence 35 cm. tall. Malaysia Expedition > > 1996 ( Jack Fisher, Allen Howard, Mike McLaughlin) BLOOM PERIOD: E > > 4/22/98; B 3/30/99; C 4/14/99; 8/99; 4/2000 > > HORTICULTURE: The Aroidiana Vol. 19 mentions that this is a species that > > does not thrive in cultivation. The article mentions that they seen to > > decline for some unknown reason. > > DESCRIPTION: Amorphophallus lambii is one that gets large. The > > inflorescence has a distinct smell of urine. I noticed when B bloomed in > > 3/99, the odor was slight in the day but started getting much stronger about > > 5 PM. > > > > Craig M. Allen > > Conservatory Manager > > Fairchild Tropical Garden > > 10901 Old Cutler Road > > Coral Gables, Florida 33156-4296 > > Tel. 305-667-1651 ext. 3320 > > Fax 305-661-8953 > > e-mail conserv@netrox.net > > web: www.ftg.org > > > > > > > > > >

From: "Bonaventure W Magrys" magrysbo at shu.edu> on 2000.04.26 at 22:12:15(4433) The Royal Horticultural Society maintains an orchid hybrid registery, with stringent rules. My own Arisaema hybrids have been strictly documented, closely watched, and always immediately and permanently kept labeled. A cross, say of A. haematospadix with A. gigas will always have the same name for the grex, whether it is remade in the future by someone else or with different clones (but backcrosses of the hybrid to one of the parents must be named differently) or whichever species is the seed bearing parent. The convention is A.(species A x species B) on the label (that is A, the seed parent, by B, the pollen donor). So for example you may, if you choose to do so, in some centralized registry for aroid hybrids, register Amorphophallus Bloody Giant [A.(gigas x haematospadix)]. In this case pollen was donated by the haematospadix. My clone of course would be A. Bloody Giant 'The Best' (note single quotation marks). The offspring will be all individual clones with variability and any vegetative propagation of an y will still carry the clonal name. Offspring of a self pollination would be labeled as A. Bloody Giant ('The Best' x self) and can each be given individual clonal names. Offspring of a sibling cross, eg. 'The Best' x 'FTG's Super-vigorous' would still be considered of the same grex, that is Amorphophallus Bloody Giant. PS. Anyone out there have ideas for a name for Arisaema triphyllum (albescent form used, not that it matters for naming) by nepenthoides (one seedling growing); A.(triphyllum x taiwanensis); and Ellen, if they germinated, A.(candidissimum x sikokianum)? Bonaventure Magrys +More >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Your idea is an interesting one, but keep in mind that without the very careful documentation of proposed Amorphophallus hybrids, the taxonomy could become very confused, just as it is already in the many hybrids that exist of Anthurium, Caladium, and Spathiphyllum. Regards, Scott -------------------- Mr. Scott E. Hyndman Vero Beach, Florida, USA USDA Hardiness Zone 10a E-mail: > From: "Bonaventure W Magrys" > Reply-To: aroid-l@mobot.org > Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 18:35:16 -0500 (CDT) > To: Multiple recipients of list AROID-L > Subject: Re: AMORPHOPHALLUS @ Fairchild Tropical Garden > > Dear Craig, > Anthurium, Spathiphyllum, Caladium, and Calla, are among aroid genera which > have > horticulturally benefited greatly from a program of hybridization and > breeding. > Now that you have several species of Amorphophallus and relatives blooming or > ready to, together, howbout saving pollen from one and putting it on others > when > receptive, to produce hybrids? > The benefits, at least, may turn out to be hybrid vigor and decreased > maturation > time. Many unexpected surprises turn up also. > There would probably be a ready market for such seed or seedlings as many of > us > would be eager to grow up some of these.......... > > Bonaventure W. Magrys > Elizabeth, NJ zone 6 > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AMORPHOPHALLUS @ Fairchild Tropical Garden > > The growing season has started along the bay in Miami. I?ve been out of town > for several weeks and during that time the amorphophallus collection began > to break dormancy. I made a list of the species that are blooming, are about > to bloom, and or just finished. > > FG 941491 Amorphophallus gigas "inflorescence now 76" tall, spadix > showing but not mature" (ID84) > SOURCE: Don Evans: when the Wilbert Hetterscheid & Dr James Symon expedition > brought back seeds of the A, titanium, these seeds were included. 9/13/93 > BLOOM PERIOD: 5/99; 6/99; 4/24/2000 > HORTICULTURE: All reports given to me say it is hard to keep alive. > * It will be at tonight's IAS meeting (4/24/2000) > ..................................................... > > Amorphophallus haematospadix (syn.: A. siamensis) FG 961039 - > inflorescence now 13", spadix just beginning to show (ID2149) > SOURCE: Mike McLaughlin, Allen Howard, Jack Fisher: Malaysia: State of > Perlis: Gua Kelam Recreation Area: Mata Ayer Forest Preserve. 3 May 1996. > BLOOM PERIOD: 4/99; 4/2000 > DESCRIPTION: striking slender inflorescence, slender leathery leaves are > unmistakable. In 1999 the first inflorescence was produced. It lasted longer > than most species, more than a week. Over all it is 30" tall, taller than > any Mike saw in the rainforest. The stem is 18" the actual inflorescence > 12". The spadix is 1.25" thick, 10" long smooth and colored a deep > burgundy/purple. The spathe is white aging to lavender, darker towards the > base. The bloom stalk like the leaf has no mottling. It has a fragrance much > like rotting fruit, not of carrion as is common on many other species. > ..................................................... > > FG 961019 Amorphophallus sp. "inflorescence still wrapped in sheath" > (ID2313) > SOURCE: Dr. L. G. Saw; Collected Malaysia: state of Perlis: Guar Jentik: > Kaki Bukit. Malaysia Expedition 1996 (Jack Fisher, Allen Howard, Mike > McLaughlin) 5/4/96. > BLOOM PERIOD: 4/21/98; 5/13/98; 4/24/2000; > DESCRIPTION: When it bloomed in 4/98, it looked very much like (ID2314) > Looks similar to the A. prainii listed in Aroidiana Vol. 19, p. 112. > ..................................................... > > FG 961022 Amorphophallus sp. ?11inch inflorescence still tightly wrapped > in sheath? (ID2314) > SOURCE: Dr. L.G. Saw Malaysia: State of Perlis: Gua Kelam Recreational > Area: Mata Ayer Forest Preserve. Malayasia Expedition 1006 (Jack Fisher, > Allen Howard, Mike McLaughlin) 16. 5/3/96. > BLOOM PERIOD: 4/18/98; 4/24/2000 > DESCRIPTION: (Looks similar to the A, prainii listed in Aroidiana Vol. 19, > p. 112.) Looks much like (ID2313) 961019 but with out the recurved spathe > edge. The tuber is a very symmetrical pumpkin shape. The depression at the > top is very deep. > ??????????????. > > FG 80198 Sauromatum guttatum "several bloomed while I was away another > looks ready in 3-5 days" (ID1961) > COMMON NAME: Voodoo Lily, Monarch of the East > SOURCE: Dr. Jim French, from horticulture BLOOM PERIOD: 5/98; 6/98; > 3/2000 > DESCRIPTION: Inflorescence last only 1 or 2 days, smells like urine > ???????????????. > > (ID2741) Amorphophallus sp. ?in full bloom, inflorescence about 10-12? > SOURCE: Donated by Dewey Fisk: SLY 515 collected by Si-Lin Yang. Catba > Islands, Vietnam, collected on Oct. 20, 1994 > BLOOM PERIOD: 4/24/2000 > DESCRIPTION: Inflorescence is a small A. peonifolius > ???????????????? > > FG 961266 Amorphophallus sp. ?just about finished blooming. Inflorescence > is 32? tall? (ID2312) > SOURCE: Dr. Si-Lin Yang wild collected in Thailand, Chaing Mai. > DESCRIPTION: Looks like A. yunnanensis, Aroidiana Vol. 19, 1996 pp. 127-8 > ????????????????. > > FG 97630 Amorphophallus variabilis ?inflorescence is 19? tall, > spadix beginning to show? (ID2352) > SOURCE: Reggie Whitehead and Tom Moore collected in Java' Cibadak, 6/97 > BLOOM PERIOD: 5/19/98; 4/24/2000 > DESCRIPTION: not a large species > ...................................................... > > FG 961201 Amorphophallus lambii Araceae ? several plants have bloomed > this spring, they are all finished blooming. The inflorescence averaged 12? > (ID2307) > SOURCE: Dr. Jack Fisher: wild collected Malaysia: Sabah: Gua Gomantung. > Slope, deep forest shade. Inflorescence 35 cm. tall. Malaysia Expedition > 1996 ( Jack Fisher, Allen Howard, Mike McLaughlin) BLOOM PERIOD: E > 4/22/98; B 3/30/99; C 4/14/99; 8/99; 4/2000 > HORTICULTURE: The Aroidiana Vol. 19 mentions that this is a species that > does not thrive in cultivation. The article mentions that they seen to > decline for some unknown reason. > DESCRIPTION: Amorphophallus lambii is one that gets large. The > inflorescence has a distinct smell of urine. I noticed when B bloomed in > 3/99, the odor was slight in the day but started getting much stronger about > 5 PM. > > Craig M. Allen > Conservatory Manager > Fairchild Tropical Garden > 10901 Old Cutler Road > Coral Gables, Florida 33156-4296 > Tel. 305-667-1651 ext. 3320 > Fax 305-661-8953 > e-mail conserv@netrox.net > web: www.ftg.orgScott Hyndman on 04/25/2000 11:05:35 PM Please respond to aroid-l@mobot.org To: Multiple recipients of list AROID-L cc: (bcc: Bonaventure W Magrys/ADM/SHU) Subject: Re: AMORPHOPHALLUS @ Fairchild Tropical Garden Your idea is an interesting one, but keep in mind that without the very careful documentation of proposed Amorphophallus hybrids, the taxonomy could become very confused, just as it is already in the many hybrids that exist of Anthurium, Caladium, and Spathiphyllum. Regards, Scott -------------------- Mr. Scott E. Hyndman Vero Beach, Florida, USA USDA Hardiness Zone 10a E-mail: > From: "Bonaventure W Magrys" > Reply-To: aroid-l@mobot.org > Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 18:35:16 -0500 (CDT) > To: Multiple recipients of list AROID-L > Subject: Re: AMORPHOPHALLUS @ Fairchild Tropical Garden > > Dear Craig, > Anthurium, Spathiphyllum, Caladium, and Calla, are among aroid genera which > have > horticulturally benefited greatly from a program of hybridization and > breeding. > Now that you have several species of Amorphophallus and relatives blooming or > ready to, together, howbout saving pollen from one and putting it on others > when > receptive, to produce hybrids? > The benefits, at least, may turn out to be hybrid vigor and decreased > maturation > time. Many unexpected surprises turn up also. > There would probably be a ready market for such seed or seedlings as many of > us > would be eager to grow up some of these.......... > > Bonaventure W. Magrys > Elizabeth, NJ zone 6 > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AMORPHOPHALLUS @ Fairchild Tropical Garden > > The growing season has started along the bay in Miami. I?ve been out of town > for several weeks and during that time the amorphophallus collection began > to break dormancy. I made a list of the species that are blooming, are about > to bloom, and or just finished. > > FG 941491 Amorphophallus gigas "inflorescence now 76" tall, spadix > showing but not mature" (ID84) > SOURCE: Don Evans: when the Wilbert Hetterscheid & Dr James Symon expedition > brought back seeds of the A, titanium, these seeds were included. 9/13/93 > BLOOM PERIOD: 5/99; 6/99; 4/24/2000 > HORTICULTURE: All reports given to me say it is hard to keep alive. > * It will be at tonight's IAS meeting (4/24/2000) > ..................................................... > > Amorphophallus haematospadix (syn.: A. siamensis) FG 961039 - > inflorescence now 13", spadix just beginning to show (ID2149) > SOURCE: Mike McLaughlin, Allen Howard, Jack Fisher: Malaysia: State of > Perlis: Gua Kelam Recreation Area: Mata Ayer Forest Preserve. 3 May 1996. > BLOOM PERIOD: 4/99; 4/2000 > DESCRIPTION: striking slender inflorescence, slender leathery leaves are > unmistakable. In 1999 the first inflorescence was produced. It lasted longer > than most species, more than a week. Over all it is 30" tall, taller than > any Mike saw in the rainforest. The stem is 18" the actual inflorescence > 12". The spadix is 1.25" thick, 10" long smooth and colored a deep > burgundy/purple. The spathe is white aging to lavender, darker towards the > base. The bloom stalk like the leaf has no mottling. It has a fragrance much > like rotting fruit, not of carrion as is common on many other species. > ..................................................... > > FG 961019 Amorphophallus sp. "inflorescence still wrapped in sheath" > (ID2313) > SOURCE: Dr. L. G. Saw; Collected Malaysia: state of Perlis: Guar Jentik: > Kaki Bukit. Malaysia Expedition 1996 (Jack Fisher, Allen Howard, Mike > McLaughlin) 5/4/96. > BLOOM PERIOD: 4/21/98; 5/13/98; 4/24/2000; > DESCRIPTION: When it bloomed in 4/98, it looked very much like (ID2314) > Looks similar to the A. prainii listed in Aroidiana Vol. 19, p. 112. > ..................................................... > > FG 961022 Amorphophallus sp. ?11inch inflorescence still tightly wrapped > in sheath? (ID2314) > SOURCE: Dr. L.G. Saw Malaysia: State of Perlis: Gua Kelam Recreational > Area: Mata Ayer Forest Preserve. Malayasia Expedition 1006 (Jack Fisher, > Allen Howard, Mike McLaughlin) 16. 5/3/96. > BLOOM PERIOD: 4/18/98; 4/24/2000 > DESCRIPTION: (Looks similar to the A, prainii listed in Aroidiana Vol. 19, > p. 112.) Looks much like (ID2313) 961019 but with out the recurved spathe > edge. The tuber is a very symmetrical pumpkin shape. The depression at the > top is very deep. > ??????????????. > > FG 80198 Sauromatum guttatum "several bloomed while I was away another > looks ready in 3-5 days" (ID1961) > COMMON NAME: Voodoo Lily, Monarch of the East > SOURCE: Dr. Jim French, from horticulture BLOOM PERIOD: 5/98; 6/98; > 3/2000 > DESCRIPTION: Inflorescence last only 1 or 2 days, smells like urine > ???????????????. > > (ID2741) Amorphophallus sp. ?in full bloom, inflorescence about 10-12? > SOURCE: Donated by Dewey Fisk: SLY 515 collected by Si-Lin Yang. Catba > Islands, Vietnam, collected on Oct. 20, 1994 > BLOOM PERIOD: 4/24/2000 > DESCRIPTION: Inflorescence is a small A. peonifolius > ???????????????? > > FG 961266 Amorphophallus sp. ?just about finished blooming. Inflorescence > is 32? tall? (ID2312) > SOURCE: Dr. Si-Lin Yang wild collected in Thailand, Chaing Mai. > DESCRIPTION: Looks like A. yunnanensis, Aroidiana Vol. 19, 1996 pp. 127-8 > ????????????????. > > FG 97630 Amorphophallus variabilis ?inflorescence is 19? tall, > spadix beginning to show? (ID2352) > SOURCE: Reggie Whitehead and Tom Moore collected in Java' Cibadak, 6/97 > BLOOM PERIOD: 5/19/98; 4/24/2000 > DESCRIPTION: not a large species > ...................................................... > > FG 961201 Amorphophallus lambii Araceae ? several plants have bloomed > this spring, they are all finished blooming. The inflorescence averaged 12? > (ID2307) > SOURCE: Dr. Jack Fisher: wild collected Malaysia: Sabah: Gua Gomantung. > Slope, deep forest shade. Inflorescence 35 cm. tall. Malaysia Expedition > 1996 ( Jack Fisher, Allen Howard, Mike McLaughlin) BLOOM PERIOD: E > 4/22/98; B 3/30/99; C 4/14/99; 8/99; 4/2000 > HORTICULTURE: The Aroidiana Vol. 19 mentions that this is a species that > does not thrive in cultivation. The article mentions that they seen to > decline for some unknown reason. > DESCRIPTION: Amorphophallus lambii is one that gets large. The > inflorescence has a distinct smell of urine. I noticed when B bloomed in > 3/99, the odor was slight in the day but started getting much stronger about > 5 PM. > > Craig M. Allen > Conservatory Manager > Fairchild Tropical Garden > 10901 Old Cutler Road > Coral Gables, Florida 33156-4296 > Tel. 305-667-1651 ext. 3320 > Fax 305-661-8953 > e-mail conserv@netrox.net > web: www.ftg.org > > >

From: Neil Carroll zzamia at hargray.com> on 2000.04.26 at 22:50:02(4435) ----- Original Message ----- To: Multiple recipients of list AROID-L Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 2:55 PM Subject: Re: AMORPHOPHALLUS @ Fairchild Tropical Garden +More > The first person to distribute hybridised Amorphophalluses will have to > watch his/her back for the rest of his/her life..................or must > learn all twohundred REAL species by heart!!!!! > > Wilbert If documented, what is the problem with trying to hybridize Amorphophallus? (BTW the plural of Amorphophallus is Amorphophallus) Neil

From: plantnut at macconnect.com (plantnut) on 2000.04.27 at 00:34:31(4438) I agree with the below message!!!!!!!!!! Dewey >The first person to distribute hybridised Amorphophalluses will have to +More >watch his/her back for the rest of his/her life..................or must >learn all twohundred REAL species by heart!!!!! > >Wilbert > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Scott Hyndman >To: Multiple recipients of list AROID-L >Sent: woensdag 26 april 2000 5:05 >Subject: Re: AMORPHOPHALLUS @ Fairchild Tropical Garden > > >> Your idea is an interesting one, but keep in mind that without the very >> careful documentation of proposed Amorphophallus hybrids, the taxonomy >could >> become very confused, just as it is already in the many hybrids that exist >> of Anthurium, Caladium, and Spathiphyllum. >> >> Regards, Scott >> >> -------------------- >> Mr. Scott E. Hyndman >> Vero Beach, Florida, USA >> USDA Hardiness Zone 10a >> E-mail: >> >> >> > From: "Bonaventure W Magrys" >> > Reply-To: aroid-l@mobot.org >> > Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 18:35:16 -0500 (CDT) >> > To: Multiple recipients of list AROID-L >> > Subject: Re: AMORPHOPHALLUS @ Fairchild Tropical Garden >> > >> > Dear Craig, >> > Anthurium, Spathiphyllum, Caladium, and Calla, are among aroid genera >which >> > have >> > horticulturally benefited greatly from a program of hybridization and >> > breeding. >> > Now that you have several species of Amorphophallus and relatives >blooming or >> > ready to, together, howbout saving pollen from one and putting it on >others >> > when >> > receptive, to produce hybrids? >> > The benefits, at least, may turn out to be hybrid vigor and decreased >> > maturation >> > time. Many unexpected surprises turn up also. >> > There would probably be a ready market for such seed or seedlings as >many of >> > us >> > would be eager to grow up some of these.......... >> > >> > Bonaventure W. Magrys >> > Elizabeth, NJ zone 6 >> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AMORPHOPHALLUS @ Fairchild Tropical Garden >> > >> > The growing season has started along the bay in Miami. I?ve been out of >town >> > for several weeks and during that time the amorphophallus collection >began >> > to break dormancy. I made a list of the species that are blooming, are >about >> > to bloom, and or just finished. >> > >> > FG 941491 Amorphophallus gigas "inflorescence now 76" tall, spadix >> > showing but not mature" (ID84) >> > SOURCE: Don Evans: when the Wilbert Hetterscheid & Dr James Symon >expedition >> > brought back seeds of the A, titanium, these seeds were included. >9/13/93 >> > BLOOM PERIOD: 5/99; 6/99; 4/24/2000 >> > HORTICULTURE: All reports given to me say it is hard to keep alive. >> > * It will be at tonight's IAS meeting (4/24/2000) >> > ..................................................... >> > >> > Amorphophallus haematospadix (syn.: A. siamensis) FG 961039 - >> > inflorescence now 13", spadix just beginning to show (ID2149) >> > SOURCE: Mike McLaughlin, Allen Howard, Jack Fisher: Malaysia: State of >> > Perlis: Gua Kelam Recreation Area: Mata Ayer Forest Preserve. 3 May >1996. >> > BLOOM PERIOD: 4/99; 4/2000 >> > DESCRIPTION: striking slender inflorescence, slender leathery leaves >are >> > unmistakable. In 1999 the first inflorescence was produced. It lasted >longer >> > than most species, more than a week. Over all it is 30" tall, taller >than >> > any Mike saw in the rainforest. The stem is 18" the actual inflorescence >> > 12". The spadix is 1.25" thick, 10" long smooth and colored a deep >> > burgundy/purple. The spathe is white aging to lavender, darker towards >the >> > base. The bloom stalk like the leaf has no mottling. It has a fragrance >much >> > like rotting fruit, not of carrion as is common on many other species. >> > ..................................................... >> > >> > FG 961019 Amorphophallus sp. "inflorescence still wrapped in >sheath" >> > (ID2313) >> > SOURCE: Dr. L. G. Saw; Collected Malaysia: state of Perlis: Guar Jentik: >> > Kaki Bukit. Malaysia Expedition 1996 (Jack Fisher, Allen Howard, Mike >> > McLaughlin) 5/4/96. >> > BLOOM PERIOD: 4/21/98; 5/13/98; 4/24/2000; >> > DESCRIPTION: When it bloomed in 4/98, it looked very much like (ID2314) >> > Looks similar to the A. prainii listed in Aroidiana Vol. 19, p. 112. >> > ..................................................... >> > >> > FG 961022 Amorphophallus sp. ?11inch inflorescence still tightly >wrapped >> > in sheath? (ID2314) >> > SOURCE: Dr. L.G. Saw Malaysia: State of Perlis: Gua Kelam Recreational >> > Area: Mata Ayer Forest Preserve. Malayasia Expedition 1006 (Jack Fisher, >> > Allen Howard, Mike McLaughlin) 16. 5/3/96. >> > BLOOM PERIOD: 4/18/98; 4/24/2000 >> > DESCRIPTION: (Looks similar to the A, prainii listed in Aroidiana Vol. >19, >> > p. 112.) Looks much like (ID2313) 961019 but with out the recurved >spathe >> > edge. The tuber is a very symmetrical pumpkin shape. The depression at >the >> > top is very deep. >> > ??????????????. >> > >> > FG 80198 Sauromatum guttatum "several bloomed while I was away >another >> > looks ready in 3-5 days" (ID1961) >> > COMMON NAME: Voodoo Lily, Monarch of the East >> > SOURCE: Dr. Jim French, from horticulture BLOOM PERIOD: 5/98; 6/98; >> > 3/2000 >> > DESCRIPTION: Inflorescence last only 1 or 2 days, smells like urine >> > ???????????????. >> > >> > (ID2741) Amorphophallus sp. ?in full bloom, inflorescence about >10-12? >> > SOURCE: Donated by Dewey Fisk: SLY 515 collected by Si-Lin Yang. Catba >> > Islands, Vietnam, collected on Oct. 20, 1994 >> > BLOOM PERIOD: 4/24/2000 >> > DESCRIPTION: Inflorescence is a small A. peonifolius >> > ???????????????? >> > >> > FG 961266 Amorphophallus sp. ?just about finished blooming. >Inflorescence >> > is 32? tall? (ID2312) >> > SOURCE: Dr. Si-Lin Yang wild collected in Thailand, Chaing Mai. >> > DESCRIPTION: Looks like A. yunnanensis, Aroidiana Vol. 19, 1996 pp. >127-8 >> > ????????????????. >> > >> > FG 97630 Amorphophallus variabilis ?inflorescence is 19? tall, >> > spadix beginning to show? (ID2352) >> > SOURCE: Reggie Whitehead and Tom Moore collected in Java' Cibadak, 6/97 >> > BLOOM PERIOD: 5/19/98; 4/24/2000 >> > DESCRIPTION: not a large species >> > ...................................................... >> > >> > FG 961201 Amorphophallus lambii Araceae ? several plants have >bloomed >> > this spring, they are all finished blooming. The inflorescence averaged >12? >> > (ID2307) >> > SOURCE: Dr. Jack Fisher: wild collected Malaysia: Sabah: Gua Gomantung. >> > Slope, deep forest shade. Inflorescence 35 cm. tall. Malaysia Expedition >> > 1996 ( Jack Fisher, Allen Howard, Mike McLaughlin) BLOOM PERIOD: E >> > 4/22/98; B 3/30/99; C 4/14/99; 8/99; 4/2000 >> > HORTICULTURE: The Aroidiana Vol. 19 mentions that this is a species >that >> > does not thrive in cultivation. The article mentions that they seen to >> > decline for some unknown reason. >> > DESCRIPTION: Amorphophallus lambii is one that gets large. The >> > inflorescence has a distinct smell of urine. I noticed when B bloomed in >> > 3/99, the odor was slight in the day but started getting much stronger >about >> > 5 PM. >> > >> > Craig M. Allen >> > Conservatory Manager >> > Fairchild Tropical Garden >> > 10901 Old Cutler Road >> > Coral Gables, Florida 33156-4296 >> > Tel. 305-667-1651 ext. 3320 >> > Fax 305-661-8953 >> > e-mail conserv@netrox.net >> > web: www.ftg.org >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> Dewey E. Fisk, Plant Nut THE PHILODENDRON PHREAQUE Your Source for Tropical Araceae Go to

From: plantnut at macconnect.com (plantnut) on 2000.04.27 at 00:35:34(4439) Shame on you Neil, I thought you were a "Species Person" Dewey >If documented, what is the problem with trying to hybridize Amorphophallus? +More > >(BTW the plural of Amorphophallus is Amorphophallus) > >Neil Dewey E. Fisk, Plant Nut THE PHILODENDRON PHREAQUE Your Source for Tropical Araceae Go to

From: "Scott Lucas" htbg at ilhawaii.net> on 2000.04.27 at 01:04:45(4441) But then, on the other hand, hybridization studies would lead to an understanding of interspecific relationships and evolution within the genus. I mean, don't you people believe in sex? > I agree with the below message!!!!!!!!!! > Dewey +More > > >The first person to distribute hybridised Amorphophalluses will have to > >watch his/her back for the rest of his/her life..................or must > >learn all twohundred REAL species by heart!!!!! > > > >Wilbert > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Scott Hyndman > >To: Multiple recipients of list AROID-L > >Sent: woensdag 26 april 2000 5:05 > >Subject: Re: AMORPHOPHALLUS @ Fairchild Tropical Garden > > > > > >> Your idea is an interesting one, but keep in mind that without the very > >> careful documentation of proposed Amorphophallus hybrids, the taxonomy > >could > >> become very confused, just as it is already in the many hybrids that exist > >> of Anthurium, Caladium, and Spathiphyllum. > >> > >> Regards, Scott > >> > >> -------------------- > >> Mr. Scott E. Hyndman > >> Vero Beach, Florida, USA > >> USDA Hardiness Zone 10a > >> E-mail: > >> > >> > >> > From: "Bonaventure W Magrys" > >> > Reply-To: aroid-l@mobot.org > >> > Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 18:35:16 -0500 (CDT) > >> > To: Multiple recipients of list AROID-L > >> > Subject: Re: AMORPHOPHALLUS @ Fairchild Tropical Garden > >> > > >> > Dear Craig, > >> > Anthurium, Spathiphyllum, Caladium, and Calla, are among aroid genera > >which > >> > have > >> > horticulturally benefited greatly from a program of hybridization and > >> > breeding. > >> > Now that you have several species of Amorphophallus and relatives > >blooming or > >> > ready to, together, howbout saving pollen from one and putting it on > >others > >> > when > >> > receptive, to produce hybrids? > >> > The benefits, at least, may turn out to be hybrid vigor and decreased > >> > maturation > >> > time. Many unexpected surprises turn up also. > >> > There would probably be a ready market for such seed or seedlings as > >many of > >> > us > >> > would be eager to grow up some of these.......... > >> > > >> > Bonaventure W. Magrys > >> > Elizabeth, NJ zone 6 > >> > > >> > > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AMORPHOPHALLUS @ Fairchild Tropical Garden > >> > > >> > The growing season has started along the bay in Miami. I?ve been out of > >town > >> > for several weeks and during that time the amorphophallus collection > >began > >> > to break dormancy. I made a list of the species that are blooming, are > >about > >> > to bloom, and or just finished. > >> > > >> > FG 941491 Amorphophallus gigas "inflorescence now 76" tall, spadix > >> > showing but not mature" (ID84) > >> > SOURCE: Don Evans: when the Wilbert Hetterscheid & Dr James Symon > >expedition > >> > brought back seeds of the A, titanium, these seeds were included. > >9/13/93 > >> > BLOOM PERIOD: 5/99; 6/99; 4/24/2000 > >> > HORTICULTURE: All reports given to me say it is hard to keep alive. > >> > * It will be at tonight's IAS meeting (4/24/2000) > >> > ..................................................... > >> > > >> > Amorphophallus haematospadix (syn.: A. siamensis) FG 961039 - > >> > inflorescence now 13", spadix just beginning to show (ID2149) > >> > SOURCE: Mike McLaughlin, Allen Howard, Jack Fisher: Malaysia: State of > >> > Perlis: Gua Kelam Recreation Area: Mata Ayer Forest Preserve. 3 May > >1996. > >> > BLOOM PERIOD: 4/99; 4/2000 > >> > DESCRIPTION: striking slender inflorescence, slender leathery leaves > >are > >> > unmistakable. In 1999 the first inflorescence was produced. It lasted > >longer > >> > than most species, more than a week. Over all it is 30" tall, taller > >than > >> > any Mike saw in the rainforest. The stem is 18" the actual inflorescence > >> > 12". The spadix is 1.25" thick, 10" long smooth and colored a deep > >> > burgundy/purple. The spathe is white aging to lavender, darker towards > >the > >> > base. The bloom stalk like the leaf has no mottling. It has a fragrance > >much > >> > like rotting fruit, not of carrion as is common on many other species. > >> > ..................................................... > >> > > >> > FG 961019 Amorphophallus sp. "inflorescence still wrapped in > >sheath" > >> > (ID2313) > >> > SOURCE: Dr. L. G. Saw; Collected Malaysia: state of Perlis: Guar Jentik: > >> > Kaki Bukit. Malaysia Expedition 1996 (Jack Fisher, Allen Howard, Mike > >> > McLaughlin) 5/4/96. > >> > BLOOM PERIOD: 4/21/98; 5/13/98; 4/24/2000; > >> > DESCRIPTION: When it bloomed in 4/98, it looked very much like (ID2314) > >> > Looks similar to the A. prainii listed in Aroidiana Vol. 19, p. 112. > >> > ..................................................... > >> > > >> > FG 961022 Amorphophallus sp. ?11inch inflorescence still tightly > >wrapped > >> > in sheath? (ID2314) > >> > SOURCE: Dr. L.G. Saw Malaysia: State of Perlis: Gua Kelam Recreational > >> > Area: Mata Ayer Forest Preserve. Malayasia Expedition 1006 (Jack Fisher, > >> > Allen Howard, Mike McLaughlin) 16. 5/3/96. > >> > BLOOM PERIOD: 4/18/98; 4/24/2000 > >> > DESCRIPTION: (Looks similar to the A, prainii listed in Aroidiana Vol. > >19, > >> > p. 112.) Looks much like (ID2313) 961019 but with out the recurved > >spathe > >> > edge. The tuber is a very symmetrical pumpkin shape. The depression at > >the > >> > top is very deep. > >> > ??????????????. > >> > > >> > FG 80198 Sauromatum guttatum "several bloomed while I was away > >another > >> > looks ready in 3-5 days" (ID1961) > >> > COMMON NAME: Voodoo Lily, Monarch of the East > >> > SOURCE: Dr. Jim French, from horticulture BLOOM PERIOD: 5/98; 6/98; > >> > 3/2000 > >> > DESCRIPTION: Inflorescence last only 1 or 2 days, smells like urine > >> > ???????????????. > >> > > >> > (ID2741) Amorphophallus sp. ?in full bloom, inflorescence about > >10-12? > >> > SOURCE: Donated by Dewey Fisk: SLY 515 collected by Si-Lin Yang. Catba > >> > Islands, Vietnam, collected on Oct. 20, 1994 > >> > BLOOM PERIOD: 4/24/2000 > >> > DESCRIPTION: Inflorescence is a small A. peonifolius > >> > ???????????????? > >> > > >> > FG 961266 Amorphophallus sp. ?just about finished blooming. > >Inflorescence > >> > is 32? tall? (ID2312) > >> > SOURCE: Dr. Si-Lin Yang wild collected in Thailand, Chaing Mai. > >> > DESCRIPTION: Looks like A. yunnanensis, Aroidiana Vol. 19, 1996 pp. > >127-8 > >> > ????????????????. > >> > > >> > FG 97630 Amorphophallus variabilis ?inflorescence is 19? tall, > >> > spadix beginning to show? (ID2352) > >> > SOURCE: Reggie Whitehead and Tom Moore collected in Java' Cibadak, 6/97 > >> > BLOOM PERIOD: 5/19/98; 4/24/2000 > >> > DESCRIPTION: not a large species > >> > ...................................................... > >> > > >> > FG 961201 Amorphophallus lambii Araceae ? several plants have > >bloomed > >> > this spring, they are all finished blooming. The inflorescence averaged > >12? > >> > (ID2307) > >> > SOURCE: Dr. Jack Fisher: wild collected Malaysia: Sabah: Gua Gomantung. > >> > Slope, deep forest shade. Inflorescence 35 cm. tall. Malaysia Expedition > >> > 1996 ( Jack Fisher, Allen Howard, Mike McLaughlin) BLOOM PERIOD: E > >> > 4/22/98; B 3/30/99; C 4/14/99; 8/99; 4/2000 > >> > HORTICULTURE: The Aroidiana Vol. 19 mentions that this is a species > >that > >> > does not thrive in cultivation. The article mentions that they seen to > >> > decline for some unknown reason. > >> > DESCRIPTION: Amorphophallus lambii is one that gets large. The > >> > inflorescence has a distinct smell of urine. I noticed when B bloomed in > >> > 3/99, the odor was slight in the day but started getting much stronger > >about > >> > 5 PM. > >> > > >> > Craig M. Allen > >> > Conservatory Manager > >> > Fairchild Tropical Garden > >> > 10901 Old Cutler Road > >> > Coral Gables, Florida 33156-4296 > >> > Tel. 305-667-1651 ext. 3320 > >> > Fax 305-661-8953 > >> > e-mail conserv@netrox.net > >> > web: www.ftg.org > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dewey E. Fisk, Plant Nut > THE PHILODENDRON PHREAQUE > Your Source for Tropical Araceae > Go to > > > >

From: plantnut at macconnect.com (plantnut) on 2000.04.27 at 03:40:44(4442) I've said enough.... I'm bowing out of this one.... Dewey >But then, on the other hand, hybridization studies would lead to an +More >understanding of interspecific relationships and evolution within the genus. >I mean, don't you people believe in sex? > > > > >> I agree with the below message!!!!!!!!!! >> Dewey >> >> >The first person to distribute hybridised Amorphophalluses will have to >> >watch his/her back for the rest of his/her life..................or must >> >learn all twohundred REAL species by heart!!!!! >> > >> >Wilbert >> > >> > >> > >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >From: Scott Hyndman >> >To: Multiple recipients of list AROID-L >> >Sent: woensdag 26 april 2000 5:05 >> >Subject: Re: AMORPHOPHALLUS @ Fairchild Tropical Garden >> > >> > >> >> Your idea is an interesting one, but keep in mind that without the very >> >> careful documentation of proposed Amorphophallus hybrids, the taxonomy >> >could >> >> become very confused, just as it is already in the many hybrids that >exist >> >> of Anthurium, Caladium, and Spathiphyllum. >> >> >> >> Regards, Scott >> >> >> >> -------------------- >> >> Mr. Scott E. Hyndman >> >> Vero Beach, Florida, USA >> >> USDA Hardiness Zone 10a >> >> E-mail: >> >> >> >> >> >> > From: "Bonaventure W Magrys" >> >> > Reply-To: aroid-l@mobot.org >> >> > Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 18:35:16 -0500 (CDT) >> >> > To: Multiple recipients of list AROID-L >> >> > Subject: Re: AMORPHOPHALLUS @ Fairchild Tropical Garden >> >> > >> >> > Dear Craig, >> >> > Anthurium, Spathiphyllum, Caladium, and Calla, are among aroid genera >> >which >> >> > have >> >> > horticulturally benefited greatly from a program of hybridization and >> >> > breeding. >> >> > Now that you have several species of Amorphophallus and relatives >> >blooming or >> >> > ready to, together, howbout saving pollen from one and putting it on >> >others >> >> > when >> >> > receptive, to produce hybrids? >> >> > The benefits, at least, may turn out to be hybrid vigor and decreased >> >> > maturation >> >> > time. Many unexpected surprises turn up also. >> >> > There would probably be a ready market for such seed or seedlings as >> >many of >> >> > us >> >> > would be eager to grow up some of these.......... >> >> > >> >> > Bonaventure W. Magrys >> >> > Elizabeth, NJ zone 6 >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AMORPHOPHALLUS @ Fairchild Tropical Garden >> >> > >> >> > The growing season has started along the bay in Miami. I?ve been out >of >> >town >> >> > for several weeks and during that time the amorphophallus collection >> >began >> >> > to break dormancy. I made a list of the species that are blooming, >are >> >about >> >> > to bloom, and or just finished. >> >> > >> >> > FG 941491 Amorphophallus gigas "inflorescence now 76" tall, >spadix >> >> > showing but not mature" (ID84) >> >> > SOURCE: Don Evans: when the Wilbert Hetterscheid & Dr James Symon >> >expedition >> >> > brought back seeds of the A, titanium, these seeds were included. >> >9/13/93 >> >> > BLOOM PERIOD: 5/99; 6/99; 4/24/2000 >> >> > HORTICULTURE: All reports given to me say it is hard to keep alive. >> >> > * It will be at tonight's IAS meeting (4/24/2000) >> >> > ..................................................... >> >> > >> >> > Amorphophallus haematospadix (syn.: A. siamensis) FG 961039 - >> >> > inflorescence now 13", spadix just beginning to show (ID2149) >> >> > SOURCE: Mike McLaughlin, Allen Howard, Jack Fisher: Malaysia: State >of >> >> > Perlis: Gua Kelam Recreation Area: Mata Ayer Forest Preserve. 3 May >> >1996. >> >> > BLOOM PERIOD: 4/99; 4/2000 >> >> > DESCRIPTION: striking slender inflorescence, slender leathery leaves >> >are >> >> > unmistakable. In 1999 the first inflorescence was produced. It lasted >> >longer >> >> > than most species, more than a week. Over all it is 30" tall, taller >> >than >> >> > any Mike saw in the rainforest. The stem is 18" the actual >inflorescence >> >> > 12". The spadix is 1.25" thick, 10" long smooth and colored a deep >> >> > burgundy/purple. The spathe is white aging to lavender, darker >towards >> >the >> >> > base. The bloom stalk like the leaf has no mottling. It has a >fragrance >> >much >> >> > like rotting fruit, not of carrion as is common on many other >species. >> >> > ..................................................... >> >> > >> >> > FG 961019 Amorphophallus sp. "inflorescence still wrapped in >> >sheath" >> >> > (ID2313) >> >> > SOURCE: Dr. L. G. Saw; Collected Malaysia: state of Perlis: Guar >Jentik: >> >> > Kaki Bukit. Malaysia Expedition 1996 (Jack Fisher, Allen Howard, >Mike >> >> > McLaughlin) 5/4/96. >> >> > BLOOM PERIOD: 4/21/98; 5/13/98; 4/24/2000; >> >> > DESCRIPTION: When it bloomed in 4/98, it looked very much like >(ID2314) >> >> > Looks similar to the A. prainii listed in Aroidiana Vol. 19, p. 112. >> >> > ..................................................... >> >> > >> >> > FG 961022 Amorphophallus sp. ?11inch inflorescence still tightly >> >wrapped >> >> > in sheath? (ID2314) >> >> > SOURCE: Dr. L.G. Saw Malaysia: State of Perlis: Gua Kelam >Recreational >> >> > Area: Mata Ayer Forest Preserve. Malayasia Expedition 1006 (Jack >Fisher, >> >> > Allen Howard, Mike McLaughlin) 16. 5/3/96. >> >> > BLOOM PERIOD: 4/18/98; 4/24/2000 >> >> > DESCRIPTION: (Looks similar to the A, prainii listed in Aroidiana >Vol. >> >19, >> >> > p. 112.) Looks much like (ID2313) 961019 but with out the recurved >> >spathe >> >> > edge. The tuber is a very symmetrical pumpkin shape. The depression >at >> >the >> >> > top is very deep. >> >> > ??????????????. >> >> > >> >> > FG 80198 Sauromatum guttatum "several bloomed while I was away >> >another >> >> > looks ready in 3-5 days" (ID1961) >> >> > COMMON NAME: Voodoo Lily, Monarch of the East >> >> > SOURCE: Dr. Jim French, from horticulture BLOOM PERIOD: 5/98; >6/98; >> >> > 3/2000 >> >> > DESCRIPTION: Inflorescence last only 1 or 2 days, smells like urine >> >> > ???????????????. >> >> > >> >> > (ID2741) Amorphophallus sp. ?in full bloom, inflorescence about >> >10-12? >> >> > SOURCE: Donated by Dewey Fisk: SLY 515 collected by Si-Lin Yang. >Catba >> >> > Islands, Vietnam, collected on Oct. 20, 1994 >> >> > BLOOM PERIOD: 4/24/2000 >> >> > DESCRIPTION: Inflorescence is a small A. peonifolius >> >> > ???????????????? >> >> > >> >> > FG 961266 Amorphophallus sp. ?just about finished blooming. >> >Inflorescence >> >> > is 32? tall? (ID2312) >> >> > SOURCE: Dr. Si-Lin Yang wild collected in Thailand, Chaing Mai. >> >> > DESCRIPTION: Looks like A. yunnanensis, Aroidiana Vol. 19, 1996 pp. >> >127-8 >> >> > ????????????????. >> >> > >> >> > FG 97630 Amorphophallus variabilis ?inflorescence is 19? >tall, >> >> > spadix beginning to show? (ID2352) >> >> > SOURCE: Reggie Whitehead and Tom Moore collected in Java' Cibadak, >6/97 >> >> > BLOOM PERIOD: 5/19/98; 4/24/2000 >> >> > DESCRIPTION: not a large species >> >> > ...................................................... >> >> > >> >> > FG 961201 Amorphophallus lambii Araceae ? several plants have >> >bloomed >> >> > this spring, they are all finished blooming. The inflorescence >averaged >> >12? >> >> > (ID2307) >> >> > SOURCE: Dr. Jack Fisher: wild collected Malaysia: Sabah: Gua >Gomantung. >> >> > Slope, deep forest shade. Inflorescence 35 cm. tall. Malaysia >Expedition >> >> > 1996 ( Jack Fisher, Allen Howard, Mike McLaughlin) BLOOM PERIOD: >E >> >> > 4/22/98; B 3/30/99; C 4/14/99; 8/99; 4/2000 >> >> > HORTICULTURE: The Aroidiana Vol. 19 mentions that this is a species >> >that >> >> > does not thrive in cultivation. The article mentions that they seen >to >> >> > decline for some unknown reason. >> >> > DESCRIPTION: Amorphophallus lambii is one that gets large. The >> >> > inflorescence has a distinct smell of urine. I noticed when B bloomed >in >> >> > 3/99, the odor was slight in the day but started getting much >stronger >> >about >> >> > 5 PM. >> >> > >> >> > Craig M. Allen >> >> > Conservatory Manager >> >> > Fairchild Tropical Garden >> >> > 10901 Old Cutler Road >> >> > Coral Gables, Florida 33156-4296 >> >> > Tel. 305-667-1651 ext. 3320 >> >> > Fax 305-661-8953 >> >> > e-mail conserv@netrox.net >> >> > web: www.ftg.org >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Dewey E. Fisk, Plant Nut >> THE PHILODENDRON PHREAQUE >> Your Source for Tropical Araceae >> Go to >> >> >> >> Dewey E. Fisk, Plant Nut THE PHILODENDRON PHREAQUE Your Source for Tropical Araceae Go to

From: "Bjoern Malkmus" bjoern.malkmus at verwaltung.uni-mainz.de> on 2000.04.27 at 22:20:07(4447) What about hybridizing Arisaema ??? - just to make confusion perfect. I know, just a bad joke ... Bj?rn Malkmus +More On 26 Apr 2000, at 16:55, Wilbert Hetterscheid wrote: > The first person to distribute hybridised Amorphophalluses will have to > watch his/her back for the rest of his/her life..................or must > learn all twohundred REAL species by heart!!!!! > > Wilbert > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Scott Hyndman > > > Your idea is an interesting one, but keep in mind that without the > > very careful documentation of proposed Amorphophallus hybrids, the > > taxonomy could > > become very confused, just as it is already in the many hybrids that > > exist of Anthurium, Caladium, and Spathiphyllum. > > > > Regards, Scott > > > > -------------------- > > Mr. Scott E. Hyndman > > Vero Beach, Florida, USA > > USDA Hardiness Zone 10a > > E-mail: > > > > > > > From: "Bonaventure W Magrys" > > > Dear Craig, > > > Anthurium, Spathiphyllum, Caladium, and Calla, are among aroid > > > genera which have > > > horticulturally benefited greatly from a program of hybridization > > > and breeding. Now that you have several species of Amorphophallus > > > and relatives blooming or ready to, together, howbout saving pollen > > > from one and putting it on others when receptive, to produce hybrids? > > > The benefits, at least, may turn out to be hybrid vigor and > > > decreased maturation time. Many unexpected surprises turn up also. > > > There would probably be a ready market for such seed or seedlings as > > > many of us would be eager to grow up some of these.......... > > > > > > Bonaventure W. Magrys > > > Elizabeth, NJ zone 6

From: "Bjoern Malkmus" bjoern.malkmus at verwaltung.uni-mainz.de> on 2000.04.27 at 22:21:51(4448) Neil, you are talking about an ideal world where never ever plant labels get lost or mixed up. If you are going to hybridize Amorphophallus in your own cultivation, this is perfectly ok and might result in some beautiful new clones. +More BUT as soon as these hybrids are going to be distributed to other aroiders, then this will have fatal effects sooner or later. Even the best documents and records will get lost in the one or other cultivation some day, there's no doubt about it. Just face the fact, that plants will be mixed up in the ongoing distribution and redistribution process and not all of us have the possibilities nor knowlegdes to make a proper identification for unlabeled Amorphophallus. Thus it is very likely for example that a hybrid which is phenotypical (don't know the exact word in English = appearance of a plant) close to a species might be re-distributed as the species ... Even to think about it seems a nightmare to me. > If documented, what is the problem with trying to hybridize > Amorphophallus? > (BTW the plural of Amorphophallus is Amorphophallus) Isn't it Amorphophalli ??? Cheers, Bj?rn Malkmus

From: Neil Carroll zzamia at hargray.com> on 2000.04.27 at 22:25:19(4450) ----- Original Message ----- To: Multiple recipients of list AROID-L Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 5:35 PM Subject: Re: AMORPHOPHALLUS @ Fairchild Tropical Garden +More > Shame on you Neil, I thought you were a "Species Person" > Dewey > > >If documented, what is the problem with trying to hybridize Amorphophallus? > > > >(BTW the plural of Amorphophallus is Amorphophallus) > > > >Neil Dewey and all, I do consider myself a species person....and a fairly obsessed one by anyones standards. Personally I try to make Anthurium hybrids whenever I can (because that is what I have).....mostly to see what crosses with what. I stopped obtaining hybrids, for my collection, many years ago. To me it seems there are 2 main reasons to hybidize.....1. horticultural reasons 2. taxonomic reasons , Both have there place and both are valid. The rub, as I see it, is that records are generally poorly kept making for a mess for taxonomists. I am truly drawn by two distinct forces when it comes to my plants. 1. they are beautiful 2. they are interesting in their diversity and relationships. I can't say that one of these is a more powerful force than the other but.....like a lichen, has two parts that can't live without the other. It so happens with me that the diversity and beauty of the raw species is enough to satisfy my beauty requirement.. ........My hybirdizing efforts are more aligned with relationships than hybridizaition for the sake of hybridization. For example, the hybrid A. scherzerianum X A. wendlingerii helped place A. wendlingerii firmly in section Porphyrochitonium. Currently I am growing seedlings from my cross of A. vietchii and A. tilaranense If these seedlings come out with any characteristics of A.tilaranense ( A. veithchii is the seed parent), I intend to suggest that A. tilaranense belongs in section Calomystrium instead of section Semaeophllium, where it is placed now. ( A. tilaranenses exhibits characteristics of section Calomystrium such as persistant intact cataphylls, this hybrid may further support those characters). So my question still remains......why not hybridize? It may rub some the wrong way aesthetically perhaps? Some hybridizing certainly offends me aesthetically ( hybrid tea roses for example, why did the USA pick this foreign, desease ridden, chemically dependant plant for its National Flower anyway?) and this is why I prefer species.......but some people like this stuff and they have the right. Neil Neil

From: "Wilbert Hetterscheid" hetter at worldonline.nl> on 2000.04.27 at 22:28:47(4452) Did I sound serious enough to evoke this reaction??? Sorry folks, not intended. Wilbert +More p.s. I WILL get back to this list about Bonaventure's suggestion of grexes (greges), which recently have got a "warning" in the ICNCP (cultivated plant code) as a system that should not be followed all that easily because it produces a diarrhoea of names, of which the usefulness is questionable and the duration limited. Same goes for hybrid genera, which have exploded in orchid "nomenclature". ----- Original Message ----- To: Multiple recipients of list AROID-L Sent: donderdag 27 april 2000 0:49 Subject: Re: AMORPHOPHALLUS @ Fairchild Tropical Garden > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Wilbert Hetterscheid > To: Multiple recipients of list AROID-L > Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 2:55 PM > Subject: Re: AMORPHOPHALLUS @ Fairchild Tropical Garden > > > > The first person to distribute hybridised Amorphophalluses will have to > > watch his/her back for the rest of his/her life..................or must > > learn all twohundred REAL species by heart!!!!! > > > > Wilbert > > > If documented, what is the problem with trying to hybridize Amorphophallus? > > (BTW the plural of Amorphophallus is Amorphophallus) > > Neil > > > >

From: "Wilbert Hetterscheid" hetter at worldonline.nl> on 2000.04.27 at 22:30:32(4453) Hear, hear!!!!! Thanks. Wilbert +More ----- Original Message ----- To: Multiple recipients of list AROID-L Sent: donderdag 27 april 2000 2:34 Subject: Re: AMORPHOPHALLUS @ Fairchild Tropical Garden > I agree with the below message!!!!!!!!!! > Dewey > > >The first person to distribute hybridised Amorphophalluses will have to > >watch his/her back for the rest of his/her life..................or must > >learn all twohundred REAL species by heart!!!!! > > > >Wilbert > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Scott Hyndman > >To: Multiple recipients of list AROID-L > >Sent: woensdag 26 april 2000 5:05 > >Subject: Re: AMORPHOPHALLUS @ Fairchild Tropical Garden > > > > > >> Your idea is an interesting one, but keep in mind that without the very > >> careful documentation of proposed Amorphophallus hybrids, the taxonomy > >could > >> become very confused, just as it is already in the many hybrids that exist > >> of Anthurium, Caladium, and Spathiphyllum. > >> > >> Regards, Scott > >> > >> -------------------- > >> Mr. Scott E. Hyndman > >> Vero Beach, Florida, USA > >> USDA Hardiness Zone 10a > >> E-mail: > >> > >> > >> > From: "Bonaventure W Magrys" > >> > Reply-To: aroid-l@mobot.org > >> > Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 18:35:16 -0500 (CDT) > >> > To: Multiple recipients of list AROID-L > >> > Subject: Re: AMORPHOPHALLUS @ Fairchild Tropical Garden > >> > > >> > Dear Craig, > >> > Anthurium, Spathiphyllum, Caladium, and Calla, are among aroid genera > >which > >> > have > >> > horticulturally benefited greatly from a program of hybridization and > >> > breeding. > >> > Now that you have several species of Amorphophallus and relatives > >blooming or > >> > ready to, together, howbout saving pollen from one and putting it on > >others > >> > when > >> > receptive, to produce hybrids? > >> > The benefits, at least, may turn out to be hybrid vigor and decreased > >> > maturation > >> > time. Many unexpected surprises turn up also. > >> > There would probably be a ready market for such seed or seedlings as > >many of > >> > us > >> > would be eager to grow up some of these.......... > >> > > >> > Bonaventure W. Magrys > >> > Elizabeth, NJ zone 6 > >> > > >> > > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AMORPHOPHALLUS @ Fairchild Tropical Garden > >> > > >> > The growing season has started along the bay in Miami. I?ve been out of > >town > >> > for several weeks and during that time the amorphophallus collection > >began > >> > to break dormancy. I made a list of the species that are blooming, are > >about > >> > to bloom, and or just finished. > >> > > >> > FG 941491 Amorphophallus gigas "inflorescence now 76" tall, spadix > >> > showing but not mature" (ID84) > >> > SOURCE: Don Evans: when the Wilbert Hetterscheid & Dr James Symon > >expedition > >> > brought back seeds of the A, titanium, these seeds were included. > >9/13/93 > >> > BLOOM PERIOD: 5/99; 6/99; 4/24/2000 > >> > HORTICULTURE: All reports given to me say it is hard to keep alive. > >> > * It will be at tonight's IAS meeting (4/24/2000) > >> > ..................................................... > >> > > >> > Amorphophallus haematospadix (syn.: A. siamensis) FG 961039 - > >> > inflorescence now 13", spadix just beginning to show (ID2149) > >> > SOURCE: Mike McLaughlin, Allen Howard, Jack Fisher: Malaysia: State of > >> > Perlis: Gua Kelam Recreation Area: Mata Ayer Forest Preserve. 3 May > >1996. > >> > BLOOM PERIOD: 4/99; 4/2000 > >> > DESCRIPTION: striking slender inflorescence, slender leathery leaves > >are > >> > unmistakable. In 1999 the first inflorescence was produced. It lasted > >longer > >> > than most species, more than a week. Over all it is 30" tall, taller > >than > >> > any Mike saw in the rainforest. The stem is 18" the actual inflorescence > >> > 12". The spadix is 1.25" thick, 10" long smooth and colored a deep > >> > burgundy/purple. The spathe is white aging to lavender, darker towards > >the > >> > base. The bloom stalk like the leaf has no mottling. It has a fragrance > >much > >> > like rotting fruit, not of carrion as is common on many other species. > >> > ..................................................... > >> > > >> > FG 961019 Amorphophallus sp. "inflorescence still wrapped in > >sheath" > >> > (ID2313) > >> > SOURCE: Dr. L. G. Saw; Collected Malaysia: state of Perlis: Guar Jentik: > >> > Kaki Bukit. Malaysia Expedition 1996 (Jack Fisher, Allen Howard, Mike > >> > McLaughlin) 5/4/96. > >> > BLOOM PERIOD: 4/21/98; 5/13/98; 4/24/2000; > >> > DESCRIPTION: When it bloomed in 4/98, it looked very much like (ID2314) > >> > Looks similar to the A. prainii listed in Aroidiana Vol. 19, p. 112. > >> > ..................................................... > >> > > >> > FG 961022 Amorphophallus sp. ?11inch inflorescence still tightly > >wrapped > >> > in sheath? (ID2314) > >> > SOURCE: Dr. L.G. Saw Malaysia: State of Perlis: Gua Kelam Recreational > >> > Area: Mata Ayer Forest Preserve. Malayasia Expedition 1006 (Jack Fisher, > >> > Allen Howard, Mike McLaughlin) 16. 5/3/96. > >> > BLOOM PERIOD: 4/18/98; 4/24/2000 > >> > DESCRIPTION: (Looks similar to the A, prainii listed in Aroidiana Vol. > >19, > >> > p. 112.) Looks much like (ID2313) 961019 but with out the recurved > >spathe > >> > edge. The tuber is a very symmetrical pumpkin shape. The depression at > >the > >> > top is very deep. > >> > ??????????????. > >> > > >> > FG 80198 Sauromatum guttatum "several bloomed while I was away > >another > >> > looks ready in 3-5 days" (ID1961) > >> > COMMON NAME: Voodoo Lily, Monarch of the East > >> > SOURCE: Dr. Jim French, from horticulture BLOOM PERIOD: 5/98; 6/98; > >> > 3/2000 > >> > DESCRIPTION: Inflorescence last only 1 or 2 days, smells like urine > >> > ???????????????. > >> > > >> > (ID2741) Amorphophallus sp. ?in full bloom, inflorescence about > >10-12? > >> > SOURCE: Donated by Dewey Fisk: SLY 515 collected by Si-Lin Yang. Catba > >> > Islands, Vietnam, collected on Oct. 20, 1994 > >> > BLOOM PERIOD: 4/24/2000 > >> > DESCRIPTION: Inflorescence is a small A. peonifolius > >> > ???????????????? > >> > > >> > FG 961266 Amorphophallus sp. ?just about finished blooming. > >Inflorescence > >> > is 32? tall? (ID2312) > >> > SOURCE: Dr. Si-Lin Yang wild collected in Thailand, Chaing Mai. > >> > DESCRIPTION: Looks like A. yunnanensis, Aroidiana Vol. 19, 1996 pp. > >127-8 > >> > ????????????????. > >> > > >> > FG 97630 Amorphophallus variabilis ?inflorescence is 19? tall, > >> > spadix beginning to show? (ID2352) > >> > SOURCE: Reggie Whitehead and Tom Moore collected in Java' Cibadak, 6/97 > >> > BLOOM PERIOD: 5/19/98; 4/24/2000 > >> > DESCRIPTION: not a large species > >> > ...................................................... > >> > > >> > FG 961201 Amorphophallus lambii Araceae ? several plants have > >bloomed > >> > this spring, they are all finished blooming. The inflorescence averaged > >12? > >> > (ID2307) > >> > SOURCE: Dr. Jack Fisher: wild collected Malaysia: Sabah: Gua Gomantung. > >> > Slope, deep forest shade. Inflorescence 35 cm. tall. Malaysia Expedition > >> > 1996 ( Jack Fisher, Allen Howard, Mike McLaughlin) BLOOM PERIOD: E > >> > 4/22/98; B 3/30/99; C 4/14/99; 8/99; 4/2000 > >> > HORTICULTURE: The Aroidiana Vol. 19 mentions that this is a species > >that > >> > does not thrive in cultivation. The article mentions that they seen to > >> > decline for some unknown reason. > >> > DESCRIPTION: Amorphophallus lambii is one that gets large. The > >> > inflorescence has a distinct smell of urine. I noticed when B bloomed in > >> > 3/99, the odor was slight in the day but started getting much stronger > >about > >> > 5 PM. > >> > > >> > Craig M. Allen > >> > Conservatory Manager > >> > Fairchild Tropical Garden > >> > 10901 Old Cutler Road > >> > Coral Gables, Florida 33156-4296 > >> > Tel. 305-667-1651 ext. 3320 > >> > Fax 305-661-8953 > >> > e-mail conserv@netrox.net > >> > web: www.ftg.org > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dewey E. Fisk, Plant Nut > THE PHILODENDRON PHREAQUE > Your Source for Tropical Araceae > Go to > > > >

From: "Wilbert Hetterscheid" hetter at worldonline.nl> on 2000.04.27 at 22:32:51(4454) Well, I think sex is o.k. (don't forward this to other people.....). However, hybridisation as a tool in unravelling evolutionary relationships is a passed station. The biological species concept in Mayr's sense is long dead. Wilbert +More ----- Original Message ----- To: Multiple recipients of list AROID-L Sent: donderdag 27 april 2000 3:04 Subject: Re: AMORPHOPHALLUS @ Fairchild Tropical Garden > But then, on the other hand, hybridization studies would lead to an > understanding of interspecific relationships and evolution within the genus. > I mean, don't you people believe in sex? > > > > > > I agree with the below message!!!!!!!!!! > > Dewey > > > > >The first person to distribute hybridised Amorphophalluses will have to > > >watch his/her back for the rest of his/her life..................or must > > >learn all twohundred REAL species by heart!!!!! > > > > > >Wilbert > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: Scott Hyndman > > >To: Multiple recipients of list AROID-L > > >Sent: woensdag 26 april 2000 5:05 > > >Subject: Re: AMORPHOPHALLUS @ Fairchild Tropical Garden > > > > > > > > >> Your idea is an interesting one, but keep in mind that without the very > > >> careful documentation of proposed Amorphophallus hybrids, the taxonomy > > >could > > >> become very confused, just as it is already in the many hybrids that > exist > > >> of Anthurium, Caladium, and Spathiphyllum. > > >> > > >> Regards, Scott > > >> > > >> -------------------- > > >> Mr. Scott E. Hyndman > > >> Vero Beach, Florida, USA > > >> USDA Hardiness Zone 10a > > >> E-mail: > > >> > > >> > > >> > From: "Bonaventure W Magrys" > > >> > Reply-To: aroid-l@mobot.org > > >> > Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 18:35:16 -0500 (CDT) > > >> > To: Multiple recipients of list AROID-L > > >> > Subject: Re: AMORPHOPHALLUS @ Fairchild Tropical Garden > > >> > > > >> > Dear Craig, > > >> > Anthurium, Spathiphyllum, Caladium, and Calla, are among aroid genera > > >which > > >> > have > > >> > horticulturally benefited greatly from a program of hybridization and > > >> > breeding. > > >> > Now that you have several species of Amorphophallus and relatives > > >blooming or > > >> > ready to, together, howbout saving pollen from one and putting it on > > >others > > >> > when > > >> > receptive, to produce hybrids? > > >> > The benefits, at least, may turn out to be hybrid vigor and decreased > > >> > maturation > > >> > time. Many unexpected surprises turn up also. > > >> > There would probably be a ready market for such seed or seedlings as > > >many of > > >> > us > > >> > would be eager to grow up some of these.......... > > >> > > > >> > Bonaventure W. Magrys > > >> > Elizabeth, NJ zone 6 > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AMORPHOPHALLUS @ Fairchild Tropical Garden > > >> > > > >> > The growing season has started along the bay in Miami. I?ve been out > of > > >town > > >> > for several weeks and during that time the amorphophallus collection > > >began > > >> > to break dormancy. I made a list of the species that are blooming, > are > > >about > > >> > to bloom, and or just finished. > > >> > > > >> > FG 941491 Amorphophallus gigas "inflorescence now 76" tall, > spadix > > >> > showing but not mature" (ID84) > > >> > SOURCE: Don Evans: when the Wilbert Hetterscheid & Dr James Symon > > >expedition > > >> > brought back seeds of the A, titanium, these seeds were included. > > >9/13/93 > > >> > BLOOM PERIOD: 5/99; 6/99; 4/24/2000 > > >> > HORTICULTURE: All reports given to me say it is hard to keep alive. > > >> > * It will be at tonight's IAS meeting (4/24/2000) > > >> > ..................................................... > > >> > > > >> > Amorphophallus haematospadix (syn.: A. siamensis) FG 961039 - > > >> > inflorescence now 13", spadix just beginning to show (ID2149) > > >> > SOURCE: Mike McLaughlin, Allen Howard, Jack Fisher: Malaysia: State > of > > >> > Perlis: Gua Kelam Recreation Area: Mata Ayer Forest Preserve. 3 May > > >1996. > > >> > BLOOM PERIOD: 4/99; 4/2000 > > >> > DESCRIPTION: striking slender inflorescence, slender leathery leaves > > >are > > >> > unmistakable. In 1999 the first inflorescence was produced. It lasted > > >longer > > >> > than most species, more than a week. Over all it is 30" tall, taller > > >than > > >> > any Mike saw in the rainforest. The stem is 18" the actual > inflorescence > > >> > 12". The spadix is 1.25" thick, 10" long smooth and colored a deep > > >> > burgundy/purple. The spathe is white aging to lavender, darker > towards > > >the > > >> > base. The bloom stalk like the leaf has no mottling. It has a > fragrance > > >much > > >> > like rotting fruit, not of carrion as is common on many other > species. > > >> > ..................................................... > > >> > > > >> > FG 961019 Amorphophallus sp. "inflorescence still wrapped in > > >sheath" > > >> > (ID2313) > > >> > SOURCE: Dr. L. G. Saw; Collected Malaysia: state of Perlis: Guar > Jentik: > > >> > Kaki Bukit. Malaysia Expedition 1996 (Jack Fisher, Allen Howard, > Mike > > >> > McLaughlin) 5/4/96. > > >> > BLOOM PERIOD: 4/21/98; 5/13/98; 4/24/2000; > > >> > DESCRIPTION: When it bloomed in 4/98, it looked very much like > (ID2314) > > >> > Looks similar to the A. prainii listed in Aroidiana Vol. 19, p. 112. > > >> > ..................................................... > > >> > > > >> > FG 961022 Amorphophallus sp. ?11inch inflorescence still tightly > > >wrapped > > >> > in sheath? (ID2314) > > >> > SOURCE: Dr. L.G. Saw Malaysia: State of Perlis: Gua Kelam > Recreational > > >> > Area: Mata Ayer Forest Preserve. Malayasia Expedition 1006 (Jack > Fisher, > > >> > Allen Howard, Mike McLaughlin) 16. 5/3/96. > > >> > BLOOM PERIOD: 4/18/98; 4/24/2000 > > >> > DESCRIPTION: (Looks similar to the A, prainii listed in Aroidiana > Vol. > > >19, > > >> > p. 112.) Looks much like (ID2313) 961019 but with out the recurved > > >spathe > > >> > edge. The tuber is a very symmetrical pumpkin shape. The depression > at > > >the > > >> > top is very deep. > > >> > ??????????????. > > >> > > > >> > FG 80198 Sauromatum guttatum "several bloomed while I was away > > >another > > >> > looks ready in 3-5 days" (ID1961) > > >> > COMMON NAME: Voodoo Lily, Monarch of the East > > >> > SOURCE: Dr. Jim French, from horticulture BLOOM PERIOD: 5/98; > 6/98; > > >> > 3/2000 > > >> > DESCRIPTION: Inflorescence last only 1 or 2 days, smells like urine > > >> > ???????????????. > > >> > > > >> > (ID2741) Amorphophallus sp. ?in full bloom, inflorescence about > > >10-12? > > >> > SOURCE: Donated by Dewey Fisk: SLY 515 collected by Si-Lin Yang. > Catba > > >> > Islands, Vietnam, collected on Oct. 20, 1994 > > >> > BLOOM PERIOD: 4/24/2000 > > >> > DESCRIPTION: Inflorescence is a small A. peonifolius > > >> > ???????????????? > > >> > > > >> > FG 961266 Amorphophallus sp. ?just about finished blooming. > > >Inflorescence > > >> > is 32? tall? (ID2312) > > >> > SOURCE: Dr. Si-Lin Yang wild collected in Thailand, Chaing Mai. > > >> > DESCRIPTION: Looks like A. yunnanensis, Aroidiana Vol. 19, 1996 pp. > > >127-8 > > >> > ????????????????. > > >> > > > >> > FG 97630 Amorphophallus variabilis ?inflorescence is 19? > tall, > > >> > spadix beginning to show? (ID2352) > > >> > SOURCE: Reggie Whitehead and Tom Moore collected in Java' Cibadak, > 6/97 > > >> > BLOOM PERIOD: 5/19/98; 4/24/2000 > > >> > DESCRIPTION: not a large species > > >> > ...................................................... > > >> > > > >> > FG 961201 Amorphophallus lambii Araceae ? several plants have > > >bloomed > > >> > this spring, they are all finished blooming. The inflorescence > averaged > > >12? > > >> > (ID2307) > > >> > SOURCE: Dr. Jack Fisher: wild collected Malaysia: Sabah: Gua > Gomantung. > > >> > Slope, deep forest shade. Inflorescence 35 cm. tall. Malaysia > Expedition > > >> > 1996 ( Jack Fisher, Allen Howard, Mike McLaughlin) BLOOM PERIOD: > E > > >> > 4/22/98; B 3/30/99; C 4/14/99; 8/99; 4/2000 > > >> > HORTICULTURE: The Aroidiana Vol. 19 mentions that this is a species > > >that > > >> > does not thrive in cultivation. The article mentions that they seen > to > > >> > decline for some unknown reason. > > >> > DESCRIPTION: Amorphophallus lambii is one that gets large. The > > >> > inflorescence has a distinct smell of urine. I noticed when B bloomed > in > > >> > 3/99, the odor was slight in the day but started getting much > stronger > > >about > > >> > 5 PM. > > >> > > > >> > Craig M. Allen > > >> > Conservatory Manager > > >> > Fairchild Tropical Garden > > >> > 10901 Old Cutler Road > > >> > Coral Gables, Florida 33156-4296 > > >> > Tel. 305-667-1651 ext. 3320 > > >> > Fax 305-661-8953 > > >> > e-mail conserv@netrox.net > > >> > web: www.ftg.org > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > Dewey E. Fisk, Plant Nut > > THE PHILODENDRON PHREAQUE > > Your Source for Tropical Araceae > > Go to > > > > > > > > > > > >

From: StroWi at t-online.de (StroWi) on 2000.04.27 at 22:34:16(4455) Neil Carroll schrieb: > (BTW the plural of Amorphophallus is Amorphophallus) > > Neil +More > Dear All, botanists definitely have their own opinion about the spelling and declination of botanical names, but if you see it from a linguistic point of view, you should consider that Amorphophallus originates from the greek words amorph and phallos. The plural of the greek phallos should then be phalloi. If phallus is the latin word for phallos, then the plural should be phalli. So.... Amorphophalluses or Amorphophallus or Amorphophalloi or Amorphophalli ... that is the question now. I personally would choose Amorphophalli. Cheers, Bernhard. StroWi@t-online.de sind: Traud Winkelmann, Bernhard, Onno und Konrad Strolka Ansgarweg 33 D - 23879 M?lln Germany

From: "Scott Lucas" htbg at ilhawaii.net> on 2000.04.27 at 23:40:17(4458) Must be showing my age! (don't forward that to anyone either) :-) ----- Original Message ----- To: "Multiple recipients of list AROID-L" Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 12:34 PM Subject: Re: AMORPHOPHALLUS @ Fairchild Tropical Garden +More > Well, I think sex is o.k. (don't forward this to other people.....). > However, hybridisation as a tool in unravelling evolutionary relationships > is a passed station. The biological species concept in Mayr's sense is long > dead. > > Wilbert > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Scott Lucas > To: Multiple recipients of list AROID-L > Sent: donderdag 27 april 2000 3:04 > Subject: Re: AMORPHOPHALLUS @ Fairchild Tropical Garden > > > > But then, on the other hand, hybridization studies would lead to an > > understanding of interspecific relationships and evolution within the > genus. > > I mean, don't you people believe in sex? > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with the below message!!!!!!!!!! > > > Dewey > > > > > > >The first person to distribute hybridised Amorphophalluses will have to > > > >watch his/her back for the rest of his/her life..................or > must > > > >learn all twohundred REAL species by heart!!!!! > > > > > > > >Wilbert > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: Scott Hyndman > > > >To: Multiple recipients of list AROID-L > > > >Sent: woensdag 26 april 2000 5:05 > > > >Subject: Re: AMORPHOPHALLUS @ Fairchild Tropical Garden > > > > > > > > > > > >> Your idea is an interesting one, but keep in mind that without the > very > > > >> careful documentation of proposed Amorphophallus hybrids, the > taxonomy > > > >could > > > >> become very confused, just as it is already in the many hybrids that > > exist > > > >> of Anthurium, Caladium, and Spathiphyllum. > > > >> > > > >> Regards, Scott > > > >> > > > >> -------------------- > > > >> Mr. Scott E. Hyndman > > > >> Vero Beach, Florida, USA > > > >> USDA Hardiness Zone 10a > > > >> E-mail: > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > From: "Bonaventure W Magrys" > > > >> > Reply-To: aroid-l@mobot.org > > > >> > Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 18:35:16 -0500 (CDT) > > > >> > To: Multiple recipients of list AROID-L > > > >> > Subject: Re: AMORPHOPHALLUS @ Fairchild Tropical Garden > > > >> > > > > >> > Dear Craig, > > > >> > Anthurium, Spathiphyllum, Caladium, and Calla, are among aroid > genera > > > >which > > > >> > have > > > >> > horticulturally benefited greatly from a program of hybridization > and > > > >> > breeding. > > > >> > Now that you have several species of Amorphophallus and relatives > > > >blooming or > > > >> > ready to, together, howbout saving pollen from one and putting it > on > > > >others > > > >> > when > > > >> > receptive, to produce hybrids? > > > >> > The benefits, at least, may turn out to be hybrid vigor and > decreased > > > >> > maturation > > > >> > time. Many unexpected surprises turn up also. > > > >> > There would probably be a ready market for such seed or seedlings > as > > > >many of > > > >> > us > > > >> > would be eager to grow up some of these.......... > > > >> > > > > >> > Bonaventure W. Magrys > > > >> > Elizabeth, NJ zone 6 > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AMORPHOPHALLUS @ Fairchild Tropical Garden > > > >> > > > > >> > The growing season has started along the bay in Miami. I?ve been > out > > of > > > >town > > > >> > for several weeks and during that time the amorphophallus > collection > > > >began > > > >> > to break dormancy. I made a list of the species that are blooming, > > are > > > >about > > > >> > to bloom, and or just finished. > > > >> > > > > >> > FG 941491 Amorphophallus gigas "inflorescence now 76" tall, > > spadix > > > >> > showing but not mature" (ID84) > > > >> > SOURCE: Don Evans: when the Wilbert Hetterscheid & Dr James Symon > > > >expedition > > > >> > brought back seeds of the A, titanium, these seeds were included. > > > >9/13/93 > > > >> > BLOOM PERIOD: 5/99; 6/99; 4/24/2000 > > > >> > HORTICULTURE: All reports given to me say it is hard to keep alive. > > > >> > * It will be at tonight's IAS meeting (4/24/2000) > > > >> > ..................................................... > > > >> > > > > >> > Amorphophallus haematospadix (syn.: A. siamensis) FG 961039 - > > > >> > inflorescence now 13", spadix just beginning to show (ID2149) > > > >> > SOURCE: Mike McLaughlin, Allen Howard, Jack Fisher: Malaysia: State > > of > > > >> > Perlis: Gua Kelam Recreation Area: Mata Ayer Forest Preserve. 3 May > > > >1996. > > > >> > BLOOM PERIOD: 4/99; 4/2000 > > > >> > DESCRIPTION: striking slender inflorescence, slender leathery > leaves > > > >are > > > >> > unmistakable. In 1999 the first inflorescence was produced. It > lasted > > > >longer > > > >> > than most species, more than a week. Over all it is 30" tall, > taller > > > >than > > > >> > any Mike saw in the rainforest. The stem is 18" the actual > > inflorescence > > > >> > 12". The spadix is 1.25" thick, 10" long smooth and colored a deep > > > >> > burgundy/purple. The spathe is white aging to lavender, darker > > towards > > > >the > > > >> > base. The bloom stalk like the leaf has no mottling. It has a > > fragrance > > > >much > > > >> > like rotting fruit, not of carrion as is common on many other > > species. > > > >> > ..................................................... > > > >> > > > > >> > FG 961019 Amorphophallus sp. "inflorescence still wrapped in > > > >sheath" > > > >> > (ID2313) > > > >> > SOURCE: Dr. L. G. Saw; Collected Malaysia: state of Perlis: Guar > > Jentik: > > > >> > Kaki Bukit. Malaysia Expedition 1996 (Jack Fisher, Allen Howard, > > Mike > > > >> > McLaughlin) 5/4/96. > > > >> > BLOOM PERIOD: 4/21/98; 5/13/98; 4/24/2000; > > > >> > DESCRIPTION: When it bloomed in 4/98, it looked very much like > > (ID2314) > > > >> > Looks similar to the A. prainii listed in Aroidiana Vol. 19, p. > 112. > > > >> > ..................................................... > > > >> > > > > >> > FG 961022 Amorphophallus sp. ?11inch inflorescence still > tightly > > > >wrapped > > > >> > in sheath? (ID2314) > > > >> > SOURCE: Dr. L.G. Saw Malaysia: State of Perlis: Gua Kelam > > Recreational > > > >> > Area: Mata Ayer Forest Preserve. Malayasia Expedition 1006 (Jack > > Fisher, > > > >> > Allen Howard, Mike McLaughlin) 16. 5/3/96. > > > >> > BLOOM PERIOD: 4/18/98; 4/24/2000 > > > >> > DESCRIPTION: (Looks similar to the A, prainii listed in Aroidiana > > Vol. > > > >19, > > > >> > p. 112.) Looks much like (ID2313) 961019 but with out the recurved > > > >spathe > > > >> > edge. The tuber is a very symmetrical pumpkin shape. The > depression > > at > > > >the > > > >> > top is very deep. > > > >> > ??????????????. > > > >> > > > > >> > FG 80198 Sauromatum guttatum "several bloomed while I was > away > > > >another > > > >> > looks ready in 3-5 days" (ID1961) > > > >> > COMMON NAME: Voodoo Lily, Monarch of the East > > > >> > SOURCE: Dr. Jim French, from horticulture BLOOM PERIOD: 5/98; > > 6/98; > > > >> > 3/2000 > > > >> > DESCRIPTION: Inflorescence last only 1 or 2 days, smells like > urine > > > >> > ???????????????. > > > >> > > > > >> > (ID2741) Amorphophallus sp. ?in full bloom, inflorescence > about > > > >10-12? > > > >> > SOURCE: Donated by Dewey Fisk: SLY 515 collected by Si-Lin Yang. > > Catba > > > >> > Islands, Vietnam, collected on Oct. 20, 1994 > > > >> > BLOOM PERIOD: 4/24/2000 > > > >> > DESCRIPTION: Inflorescence is a small A. peonifolius > > > >> > ???????????????? > > > >> > > > > >> > FG 961266 Amorphophallus sp. ?just about finished blooming. > > > >Inflorescence > > > >> > is 32? tall? (ID2312) > > > >> > SOURCE: Dr. Si-Lin Yang wild collected in Thailand, Chaing Mai. > > > >> > DESCRIPTION: Looks like A. yunnanensis, Aroidiana Vol. 19, 1996 pp. > > > >127-8 > > > >> > ????????????????. > > > >> > > > > >> > FG 97630 Amorphophallus variabilis ?inflorescence is 19? > > tall, > > > >> > spadix beginning to show? (ID2352) > > > >> > SOURCE: Reggie Whitehead and Tom Moore collected in Java' Cibadak, > > 6/97 > > > >> > BLOOM PERIOD: 5/19/98; 4/24/2000 > > > >> > DESCRIPTION: not a large species > > > >> > ...................................................... > > > >> > > > > >> > FG 961201 Amorphophallus lambii Araceae ? several plants have > > > >bloomed > > > >> > this spring, they are all finished blooming. The inflorescence > > averaged > > > >12? > > > >> > (ID2307) > > > >> > SOURCE: Dr. Jack Fisher: wild collected Malaysia: Sabah: Gua > > Gomantung. > > > >> > Slope, deep forest shade. Inflorescence 35 cm. tall. Malaysia > > Expedition > > > >> > 1996 ( Jack Fisher, Allen Howard, Mike McLaughlin) BLOOM > PERIOD: > > E > > > >> > 4/22/98; B 3/30/99; C 4/14/99; 8/99; 4/2000 > > > >> > HORTICULTURE: The Aroidiana Vol. 19 mentions that this is a > species > > > >that > > > >> > does not thrive in cultivation. The article mentions that they seen > > to > > > >> > decline for some unknown reason. > > > >> > DESCRIPTION: Amorphophallus lambii is one that gets large. The > > > >> > inflorescence has a distinct smell of urine. I noticed when B > bloomed > > in > > > >> > 3/99, the odor was slight in the day but started getting much > > stronger > > > >about > > > >> > 5 PM. > > > >> > > > > >> > Craig M. Allen > > > >> > Conservatory Manager > > > >> > Fairchild Tropical Garden > > > >> > 10901 Old Cutler Road > > > >> > Coral Gables, Florida 33156-4296 > > > >> > Tel. 305-667-1651 ext. 3320 > > > >> > Fax 305-661-8953 > > > >> > e-mail conserv@netrox.net > > > >> > web: www.ftg.org > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > Dewey E. Fisk, Plant Nut > > > THE PHILODENDRON PHREAQUE > > > Your Source for Tropical Araceae > > > Go to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

From: Neil Carroll zzamia at hargray.com> on 2000.04.29 at 00:38:36(4462) > Neil Carroll schrieb: > > > (BTW the plural of Amorphophallus is Amorphophallus) > > > > Neil +More > > > > Dear All, > > botanists definitely have their own opinion about the spelling and > declination > of botanical names, but if you see it from a linguistic point of view, you > should consider that Amorphophallus originates from the greek words amorph and > phallos. The plural of the greek phallos should then be phalloi. If phallus is > the latin word for phallos, then the plural should be phalli. > > So.... Amorphophalluses or Amorphophallus or Amorphophalloi or > Amorphophalli ... > that is the question now. > I would agree that the parts of this word can be made plural as nouns, But Amorphophallus is a proper noun not merely a noun. And it is a proper noun which names a group of species ( usually more than one, and in the case of monotypic genera, the possibility of an additional species allways exists). There are not two genera named Amorphophallus....only one. I may have spoken too soon but I am not quite convinced that genera should ever be pluralized since it is the name of a genus and there can only be one genus with that name. "I have many Amorphophallus" is not incorrect " I have many Amorphophalli" is redundant A taxonomist would revise Amorphophallus. He would not revise Amorphophalli Check the title of any revision of any genus. Does it say Anthuriums or Amorphophalli or Dracontiums? and thus it goes for all genera These are just my thoughts as I have not yet had time to dig through Stearn's yet. Neil

From: SelbyHort at aol.com on 2000.05.02 at 21:58:38(4515) Just a note about Bonaventure's example with the A. Bloody Giant 'The Best'. To register a cultivar, you will need to select a clone from the cross and apply a cultivar name. Unfortunately you can't use names like 'The Best', or 'Biggest and Greatest' or anything like that when officially registering your cutivars....sorry. Please check with me if you have questions about naming your cultivars and getting them registered. Donna Atwood Selby Gardens +More 811 S. Palm Ave. Sarasota, FL 34236 USA << for example you may, if you choose to do so, in some centralized registry for aroid hybrids, register Amorphophallus Bloody Giant [A.(gigas x haematospadix)]. In this case pollen was donated by the haematospadix. My clone of course would be A. Bloody Giant 'The Best' (note single quotation marks). The offspring will be all individual clones with variability and any vegetative propagation of an y will still carry the clonal name. Offspring of a self pollination would be labeled as A. Bloody Giant ('The Best' x self) and can each be given individual clonal names. Offspring of a sibling cross, eg. 'The Best' x 'FTG's Super-vigorous' would still be considered of the same grex, that is Amorphophallus Bloody Giant. >>

From: "Bonaventure W Magrys" magrysbo at shu.edu> on 2000.05.03 at 23:57:50(4531) Donna, Just joking about the cultivar names. But doesn't one have to make the grex name official. This is what is done in orchid registery and cultivar (or clonal) names are then "fixed" at judging when an official award is given to it (or not) at a judging center or show. Bonaventure +More >>>>>>>>>>SelbyHort@aol.com on 05/02/2000 05:58:44 PM Please respond to aroid-l@mobot.org To: Multiple recipients of list AROID-L cc: (bcc: Bonaventure W Magrys/ADM/SHU) Subject: Re: AMORPHOPHALLUS @ Fairchild Tropical Garden Just a note about Bonaventure's example with the A. Bloody Giant 'The Best'. To register a cultivar, you will need to select a clone from the cross and apply a cultivar name. Unfortunately you can't use names like 'The Best', or 'Biggest and Greatest' or anything like that when officially registering your cutivars....sorry. Please check with me if you have questions about naming your cultivars and getting them registered. Donna Atwood Selby Gardens 811 S. Palm Ave. Sarasota, FL 34236 USA << for example you may, if you choose to do so, in some centralized registry for aroid hybrids, register Amorphophallus Bloody Giant [A.(gigas x haematospadix)]. In this case pollen was donated by the haematospadix. My clone of course would be A. Bloody Giant 'The Best' (note single quotation marks). The offspring will be all individual clones with variability and any vegetative propagation of an y will still carry the clonal name. Offspring of a self pollination would be labeled as A. Bloody Giant ('The Best' x self) and can each be given individual clonal names. Offspring of a sibling cross, eg. 'The Best' x 'FTG's Super-vigorous' would still be considered of the same grex, that is Amorphophallus Bloody Giant. >>

From: "Wilbert Hetterscheid" hetter at worldonline.nl> on 2000.05.09 at 01:31:16(4547) > Donna, > Just joking about the cultivar names. But doesn't one have to make the grex +More > name > official. If you DO mean "grex" then I maintain that we must not adopt the grex-system for aroid cultivars. It would anyway be impossible to get to know anything of parentage of highly succesful cultivar-lines. Rightly so, because that is part of industrial secrets and intellectual property. One cannot force anyone to surrender the names of parents of a succesful cultivar. That would be the same as to ask Coca Cola the recipe for their drink. Let's become practical about this, people and leave the amteuristic grex-system where it is. Aroids have a long tradition of really professional breeding and the grex cannot serve that system in nomenclatural matters. This is what is done in orchid registery and cultivar (or clonal) > names are then "fixed" at judging when an official award is given to it (or > not) > at a judging center or show. A cultivar epithet must be officially published. I suggest those interested in these matters read the Cultivated Plant Code. > Bonaventure Wilbert

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