Anthurium splendidum

From: "Jay Vannini" interbnk at infovia.com.gt> on 2000.03.31 at 00:12:14(4280) Question to those "in the know" - I have been experimenting with different temperature regimens and mediums for a couple of Anthurium splendidum (sl) that I have for two years now, and still haven't obtained any joy from these little buggers. Checked locality data for collections on the Tropicos database last week and noted that they have been collected at low elevations in the Choco. This suggests hot, extremely wet culture - something I haven't tried yet. Also saw that Selby's are doing well under "warm" conditions. Any suggestions, folks?

From: Neil Carroll zzamia at hargray.com> on 2000.03.31 at 03:28:45(4282) > Question to those "in the know" - I have been experimenting with different > temperature regimens and mediums for a couple of Anthurium splendidum (sl) > that I have for two years now, and still haven't obtained any joy from these > little buggers. Checked locality data for collections on the Tropicos > database last week and noted that they have been collected at low elevations > in the Choco. This suggests hot, extremely wet culture - something I haven't > tried yet. Also saw that Selby's are doing well under "warm" conditions. Any > suggestions, folks? > These plants require very humid conditions. The phrase "extremely wet culture" may be misleading....these are not aquatic plants. The trick is keeping as high humidity as possible without rotting the plant. Fog not mist would be very helpful. A 'fog chamber' on a smaller scale would be helpful. These plants should be treated like epiphytes as to their potting mix and container. A slated basket with an extremly fast draining mix should be a start. It is still not likely that this plant will do well without constant high ( 80% +) humidity. This is not the plant of Exotica or the front cover a a long ago Aroideana. Correct? Neil +More >

From: Betsytrips at aol.com on 2000.03.31 at 04:02:55(4286) Remember the thing we used to call Splendidum is no longer Splendidum. The low altitude thing from the Choco is a bitch to grow and likes to be in a terrarium because it grows along a river with lots of humidity. The beautiful thing we knew as Splendidum is from Colombia but no one knows where. It too can be stinky to grow, but it is easier than the true "Splendidum." The one that Rick Cirino brought back from the Choco and I later found the same place is really difficult to grow and it is now known as the true Splendidum. Rick did the writeup about this one and the change in name. You might like to contact him. Betsy Feuerstein

From: herm hermine at endangeredspecies.com> on 2000.03.31 at 21:54:03(4288) At 08:02 PM 03/30/2000 , Betsytrips@aol.com wrote: >Remember the thing we used to call Splendidum is no longer Splendidum. The >low altitude thing from the Choco is a bitch to grow and likes to be in a >terrarium because it grows along a river with lots of humidity. The beautiful >thing we knew as Splendidum is from Colombia but no one knows where. It too >can be stinky to grow, but it is easier than the true "Splendidum." The one >that Rick Cirino brought back from the Choco and I later found the same place >is really difficult to grow and it is now known as the true Splendidum. Rick >did the writeup about this one and the change in name. You might like to >contact him. ALSO Rick's plants look GORGEOUS no matter what he says about how difficult they are. like i have never seen. you could keel over. hermine +More >Betsy Feuerstein >

From: SelbyHort at aol.com on 2000.03.31 at 21:55:22(4290) Jay, The plant you are calling Anthurium splendidum is now called A. luxurians, I believe. Betsy mentioned in her message about two different species called A. splendidum. The ones you saw at Selby are now correctly called A. luxurians (these have very dark glossy bullate leaves and are extremely hard to grow without very high humidity and warm conditions year round). The species now correctly called A. splendidum was once mistakenly called A. corrugatum...but I may be wrong about this point. Mixed up with this is the true Anthurium corrugatum and the plant once called A. corrugatum but now called A. splendidum. Are we are totally confused yet??? I hope someone clears up this issue and correct any mistakes I might have made here, because I am still not certain about the way these species have been sorted out. +More We have tried growing Anthurium luxurians in several different media. I will have to get info about what was done and report back to the list if one media type was better than others. Our plants are looking pretty good now. If you ever have them go down, they are very slow to recover, so the trick is to keep them stable in cultivation and they will gradually put out new leaves and grow slightly larger each year. It takes many years to get a plant to produce a large leaf blade...Selby's plants are at least 15 years old. Donna Atwood Selby Gardens

From: Denis denis at skg.com> on 2000.03.31 at 21:56:07(4292) Notes as to what is A. splendidum: Tom Croat told me that there was a taxanomic readjustment to the names we are using for several different species which look very similar. Some California collector had collected the "true" A. splendidum in a sandy stream (semi moist) bed. This variety really needs the high humidity, it does best in a humidity tent. I know cause I killed the piece that I had because I could not keep it comfortable on my benches. Croat said the species we were calling "A. spledidum" +More here in the Miami area has now been renamed A. luxuriens. It will grow more easily than the real A. splendidum although more slowly than most Anthuriums. Maybe I've got this story wrong but some one correct me if I have. Denis at Silver Krome Neil Carroll wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jay Vannini > To: Multiple recipients of list AROID-L > Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2000 4:12 PM > Subject: Anthurium splendidum > > > Question to those "in the know" - I have been experimenting with different > > temperature regimens and mediums for a couple of Anthurium splendidum (sl) > > that I have for two years now, and still haven't obtained any joy from > these > > little buggers. Checked locality data for collections on the Tropicos > > database last week and noted that they have been collected at low > elevations > > in the Choco. This suggests hot, extremely wet culture - something I > haven't > > tried yet. Also saw that Selby's are doing well under "warm" conditions. > Any > > suggestions, folks? > > > > These plants require very humid conditions. The phrase "extremely wet > culture" may be misleading....these are not aquatic plants. The trick is > keeping as high humidity as possible without rotting the plant. Fog not mist > would be very helpful. A 'fog chamber' on a smaller scale would be helpful. > These plants should be treated like epiphytes as to their potting mix and > container. A slated basket with an extremly fast draining mix should be a > start. It is still not likely that this plant will do well without constant > high ( 80% +) humidity. > > This is not the plant of Exotica or the front cover a a long ago Aroideana. > Correct? > > Neil > > >

From: Neil Carroll zzamia at hargray.com> on 2000.04.01 at 04:07:38(4293) > Jay, > > The plant you are calling Anthurium splendidum is now called A. luxurians, I > believe. Betsy mentioned in her message about two different species called A. > splendidum. The ones you saw at Selby are now correctly called A. luxurians +More > (these have very dark glossy bullate leaves and are extremely hard to grow > without very high humidity and warm conditions year round). The species now > correctly called A. splendidum was once mistakenly called A. corrugatum...but > I may be wrong about this point. Mixed up with this is the true Anthurium > corrugatum and the plant once called A. corrugatum but now called A. > splendidum. Are we are totally confused yet??? Donna, Who is the author of A. luxurians and when was it described. I am familiar with Cirino's true splendidum. A. corrugatum Sodiro is a very high altitude plant with fairly long internodes. These long internodes easily seperate A. luxurians and A. splendidum from A. corrigatum. The plant shown in Exotica and in one of the past Aroideanas which is labeled A. corrigatum are not A. corrigatum. I do not know of a published photo of the true A. corrigatum. Neil

From: Betsytrips at aol.com on 2000.04.01 at 04:09:14(4294) Rick Cirino in Calif collected what is now called A. Splendidum first and then I collected it shortly thereafter. It is from along a stream and it never has gotten terribly large. A. luxuriens, what we used to call A. Splendidum, I will take bets grows in a similar type situation because there is one that I collected low altitude near Buena Ventura, Columbia. SA that looks quite similar. The one I collected, and has been collected before me, is not as distinctly marked, but similar. All of the beautiful little bastards are absolute pains to grow until you find the secret that fits your set of circumstances. Perhaps prayer helps. The real Splendidum, I have had success growing in a terrarium under lights. A. luxuriens I have had luck with that way also, but I have seen this one grown well from under mist. Scott Hyndman had one in the IAS show years ago that he had grown and it was beautiful. You might ask him how he grew it. I keep my parts in a terrarium which to most is not ideal. Good luck! Betsy

From: Betsytrips at aol.com on 2000.04.01 at 04:10:08(4295) In a message dated 3/31/00 3:54:37 PM Central Standard Time, hermine@endangeredspecies.com writes: << ALSO Rick's plants look GORGEOUS no matter what he says about how difficult +More they are. like i have never seen. you could keel over. >> That must be the new greenhouse he has built or perhaps the mist system of Huntingdon Botanic. Rick keeps things in 150% humidity and I might imagine that would be just about perfect for a low altitude, streambed, tropical bastardly beautiful anthurium. Give the man credit where due. He is a good grower. Betsy

From: Betsytrips at aol.com on 2000.04.01 at 04:10:28(4296) Donna, The plant Rick collected in the Choco is the good named Splendidum. The gorgeous thing we love and has been around since found in a collection if Florida years ago is luxuriens. The source of this one died with the collector many years ago. Dewey could add to this one since he was in on the deal. Maybe we can entice him to tell us the neat story of the deal. A. corrugatum is a high altitude thing usually, but there is a low altitude one that some of you have in Florida and Banta has, and Dewey has, and a few others including Fairchild. The true splendidum that Rick found looks like a miniature corrugatum with that rough texture, but it is very tender to say the least. +More Still confused? Ask again, maybe I can do better next time. Betsy

From: herm hermine at endangeredspecies.com> on 2000.04.01 at 15:12:38(4301) > >That must be the new greenhouse he has built or perhaps the mist system of >Huntingdon Botanic. Rick keeps things in 150% humidity and I might imagine >that would be just about perfect for a low altitude, streambed, tropical >bastardly beautiful anthurium. Give the man credit where due. He is a good >grower. +More > >Betsy well, when i saw his greenhouse it was tiny and had several hundred wee fans tucked away in corners and a wonderful mossy moist green everywhere, meticulous. also, it is much harder to keep a small greenhouse CONSTANT in climate, they tend to fluctuate wildly. we assumed he ran in and out of it, monitoring its needs from moment to moment, because even with all kinds of "O'meters" it is hard to not have dry or still corners. some people are hyper aware of mini microclimates, and i think this is the secret of being a great grower. all of Rick's plants look at least awfully good, including the stuff outside. (non aroid mostly). i think he would be a terrific fern grower. but i will be dammed before i give him any credit. i think i will call him tomorrow and tell him that! hermine

From: Betsytrips at aol.com on 2000.04.02 at 04:18:38(4308) In a message dated 3/31/00 10:07:58 PM Central Standard Time, zzamia@hargray.com writes: << Who is the author of A. luxurians and when was it described. >> +More This is a work in progress between Cirino and Croat. The one Rick found in Colombia is not one that has been seen around as long as I have been around. It has that corrugatum rough texture and is that light green but it is not the same bird that we know as corrugatum/High altitude from Ecuador and for that matter, Colombia. Apparently there is some old reference to this plant as splendidum, but one would have to ask Rick or Tom about those details. If we have not royally confused those who really might like to know, they are really sharper than those volunteering information. I wish Dewey would volunteer the story of the thing we have seen and loved for a long time as Splendidum. I have heard the story of Dewey, Leedy, Cirino and maybe Tom finding this thing in a collection of a man who would not tell them from whence it came from. Or maybe just that it came from Colombia, not sure there. Anyway, it has been around for a long time and it is gorgeous when grown well. No one said it was easy to grow well though. These botanists tend to really confuse us amateurs when names get changed and the details do not seem to match what we thought was. Oh well, that is just one of those challenges of loving a plant just for itself no matter what it is called. This thing we know as Splendidum is just one of those plants. It is beautiful and unique and wonderful and a bitch to grow. I think I have heard reference to females in this light. Betsy

From: Betsytrips at aol.com on 2000.04.02 at 04:21:02(4309) In a message dated 4/1/00 9:19:52 AM Central Standard Time, hermine@endangeredspecies.com writes: << but i will be dammed before i give him any credit. i think i will call him +More tomorrow and tell him that! >> Oh, now, give the kid credit where credit is due. He did wondrous things in that tiny greenhouse he had. I have never seen anyone grow so many things so well in such a small space. A wonderful example of what can be if one is willing and able as you say to be in and out and checking and watching and changing and praying on a moment to moment basis. You must admit, he deserves that much credit. Perhaps a bit a--l retentive, but the end product was indeed quite remarkable. Betsy

From: herm hermine at endangeredspecies.com> on 2000.04.02 at 14:12:28(4312) At 08:21 PM 04/01/2000 , Betsytrips@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 4/1/00 9:19:52 AM Central Standard Time, >hermine@endangeredspecies.com writes: +More > ><< but i will be dammed before i give him any credit. i think i will call him > tomorrow and tell him that! >> >Oh, now, give the kid credit where credit is due. He did wondrous things in >that tiny greenhouse he had. I have never seen anyone grow so many things so >well in such a small space. >ME EITHER! a magical place. i do need to call him, i have not spoken to >him since i relocated the nursery. i think he has phenomenal instinct >about the fine details, the fine tuning of plant environments. hermine

From: Neil Carroll zzamia at hargray.com> on 2000.04.02 at 14:59:55(4316) Hey, Hemine tell him that Neil say's he should get a computer and get on line because people are talking about him. Neil +More > > > >ME EITHER! a magical place. i do need to call him, i have not spoken to > >him since i relocated the nursery. i think he has phenomenal instinct > >about the fine details, the fine tuning of plant environments. > > > hermine > > >

From: Betsytrips at aol.com on 2000.04.02 at 18:22:43(4318) Rick get online? Get a grip or get a life. I do not think Rick finds our banter very down the alley he wants to go. He is too busy playing tennis, his plants, his plants, his plants, and then perhaps girls. I do agree, he would be a great addition to the effort, but all to his own. Look, it took Rick a century to get a fax so maybe in ten years he will contemplate such. Now, if he felt he could make a bundle of dinero on it, he might consider such. +More Perhaps just best to let each of us take the path he feels the best about taking. Good growing, Betsy

From: herm hermine at endangeredspecies.com> on 2000.04.02 at 19:17:48(4322) At 11:22 AM 04/02/2000 , Betsytrips@aol.com wrote: >Rick get online? Get a grip or get a life. I do not think Rick finds our >banter very down the alley he wants to go. He is too busy playing tennis, his >plants, his plants, his plants, and then perhaps girls. Rick ONLINE? oh i just hurt myself laughing. tennis, wimmins and plants. i picked him for a tennis player becuz he has those nice legs. I am just amazed he is not dead of solar radiation to his personal skin is all. This is it. i am phoning him now. hermine

From: Betsytrips at aol.com on 2000.04.03 at 00:15:42(4325) In a message dated 4/2/00 2:18:03 PM Central Daylight Time, hermine@endangeredspecies.com writes: << i am phoning him now. >> +More Good deal. If you have not already gotten him, tell him I say 'Hi' and that his ears should have been ringing since we have been talking about him. It is amazing how many people do not know of Rick. Betsy

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