Zamioculcas - like Gonatopus ?

From: The Silent Seed <tylus.seklos at gmail.com> on 2018.08.06 at 22:01:09(23872) As some of you might know, I import plants from Thailand from time to time (with the proper paperwork, of course) and a recent acquisition has me stumped. These are called Variegated Zamioculcas - but the petiole has the kinks that Gonatopus do. Is there some kind of new Zamioculcas species floating around that hasn't hit the mainstream market yet? The leaflets are heavily splashed with creamy variegation, and are slender and more elongated. I'm happy to share a picture if we are allowed? Jude -- The Silent Seed HTML +More Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. thesilentseed.com --0000000000004788ed0572cb6a9e-- --==============X42018151788730488==

From: The Silent Seed <tylus.seklos at gmail.com> on 2018.08.07 at 00:28:19(23877) Hey Steve - nice to re-connect with you, too! Thank you - I honestly don't know how to tell the size of a picture - I just snap, shoot, with my old camera. Heck - I got my lazy bum up and I actually looked at one of my pictures on the computer and it actually tells me the size of it. How hard was that? :) So, this picture supposedly is 3.3 mb, and is of the variegated Zamioculcas with Gonatopus characteristics (kinks.) Any input would be great. Best, Jude HTML +More On Mon, Aug 6, 2018 at 6:28 PM, Steve Marak wrote: Pictures are definitely allowed. I would ask that people not post a 20MB image file, since there are still many people without fast Internet (and since that's far larger than necessary) but the days of asking people to resize their pictures down to the point where it's hard to see anything are - I hope - behind us. Post away! Steve On 8/6/2018 5:01 PM, The Silent Seed wrote: As some of you might know, I import plants from Thailand from time to time (with the proper paperwork, of course) and a recent acquisition has me stumped. These are called Variegated Zamioculcas - but the petiole has the kinks that Gonatopus do. Is there some kind of new Zamioculcas species floating around that hasn't hit the mainstream market yet? The leaflets are heavily splashed with creamy variegation, and are slender and more elongated. I'm happy to share a picture if we are allowed? Jude -- The Silent Seed Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. thesilentseed.com _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l -- The Silent Seed Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. thesilentseed.com --0000000000009a19160572cd7850-- --0000000000009a191a0572cd7852

From: Peter Boyce <phymatarum at gmail.com> on 2018.08.07 at 04:34:12(23881) Steve and all... I for one would be delighted to see Aroid-L with a new lease of life - the sheer quantity of "messages" I get when posting anything on FB has led me to being very selective, not to say the annoyance of trying to re-find a post that only moments earlier was on the screen but is now buried under a mass of images of peoples' food interspersed with persistent adverts for incontinence products. Anyhow... in the vein of sharing... here is a nice dwarf Schismatoglottis we are in the process of describing for inclusion in the next Aroideana. Peter HTML +More On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 at 07:21, Steve Marak wrote: Pictures are definitely allowed. I would ask that people not post a 20MB image file, since there are still many people without fast Internet (and since that's far larger than necessary) but the days of asking people to resize their pictures down to the point where it's hard to see anything are - I hope - behind us. Post away! Steve On 8/6/2018 5:01 PM, The Silent Seed wrote: As some of you might know, I import plants from Thailand from time to time (with the proper paperwork, of course) and a recent acquisition has me stumped. These are called Variegated Zamioculcas - but the petiole has the kinks that Gonatopus do. Is there some kind of new Zamioculcas species floating around that hasn't hit the mainstream market yet? The leaflets are heavily splashed with creamy variegation, and are slender and more elongated. I'm happy to share a picture if we are allowed? Jude -- The Silent Seed Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. thesilentseed.com _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l --000000000000806ed20572d0e82e-- --000000000000806ed50572d0e830

From: Steve Marak <samarak at gizmoworks.com> on 2018.08.06 at 22:28:32(23883) Pictures are definitely allowed. I would ask that people not post a 20MB image file, since there are still many people without fast Internet (and since that's far larger than necessary) but the days of asking people to resize their pictures down to the point where it's hard to see anything are - I hope - behind us. Post away! Steve HTML +More On 8/6/2018 5:01 PM, The Silent Seed wrote: As some of you might know, I import plants from Thailand from time to time (with the proper paperwork, of course) and a recent acquisition has me stumped. These are called Variegated Zamioculcas - but the petiole has the kinks that Gonatopus do. Is there some kind of new Zamioculcas species floating around that hasn't hit the mainstream market yet? The leaflets are heavily splashed with creamy variegation, and are slender and more elongated. I'm happy to share a picture if we are allowed? Jude -- The Silent Seed Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">thesilentseed.com --------------5F4B2B5857419DC8514A3245-- --==============Y13077458234203583==

From: "D. Christopher Rogers" <branchiopod at gmail.com> on 2018.08.07 at 13:47:48(23888) Hello, friends!!! I agree with Peter et al., I miss Aroid-L. Although, I have avoided FB entirely. Nice plant, Peter! And it is good to hear from all of you guys again!! Christopher HTML +More On 6 August 2018 at 23:34, Peter Boyce wrote: Steve and all... I for one would be delighted to see Aroid-L with a new lease of life - the sheer quantity of "messages" I get when posting anything on FB has led me to being very selective, not to say the annoyance of trying to re-find a post that only moments earlier was on the screen but is now buried under a mass of images of peoples' food interspersed with persistent adverts for incontinence products. Anyhow... in the vein of sharing... here is a nice dwarf Schismatoglottis we are in the process of describing for inclusion in the next Aroideana. Peter On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 at 07:21, Steve Marak wrote: Pictures are definitely allowed. I would ask that people not post a 20MB image file, since there are still many people without fast Internet (and since that's far larger than necessary) but the days of asking people to resize their pictures down to the point where it's hard to see anything are - I hope - behind us. Post away! Steve On 8/6/2018 5:01 PM, The Silent Seed wrote: As some of you might know, I import plants from Thailand from time to time (with the proper paperwork, of course) and a recent acquisition has me stumped. These are called Variegated Zamioculcas - but the petiole has the kinks that Gonatopus do. Is there some kind of new Zamioculcas species floating around that hasn't hit the mainstream market yet? The leaflets are heavily splashed with creamy variegation, and are slender and more elongated. I'm happy to share a picture if we are allowed? Jude -- The Silent Seed Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. thesilentseed.com _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l -- D. Christopher Rogers ((,///////////=======

From: =?utf-8?Q?Eduardo_Gon=C3=A7alves?= <edggon at gmail.com> on 2018.08.07 at 14:24:33(23889) Dear Pete, HTML +More It was amazing when I realize how convergent are aroids in many vegetative aspect. If you showed me this picture as being taken in Central Brazil, I would swear it was Spathicarpa gardneri. Probably they use the same gene cascading to produce such variegation pattern. I could also bet this new species grows in limestone cliffs or limestone rich soils, since many aroid species in Brazil produces this kind of variegation when growing in rich soils. Let me know if it is also true there. Very best wishes, Eduardo. On 7 Aug 2018, at 00:34, Peter Boyce wrote: Steve and all... I for one would be delighted to see Aroid-L with a new lease of life - the sheer quantity of "messages" I get when posting anything on FB has led me to being very selective, not to say the annoyance of trying to re-find a post that only moments earlier was on the screen but is now buried under a mass of images of peoples' food interspersed with persistent adverts for incontinence products. Anyhow... in the vein of sharing... here is a nice dwarf Schismatoglottis we are in the process of describing for inclusion in the next Aroideana. Peter On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 at 07:21, Steve Marak wrote: Pictures are definitely allowed. I would ask that people not post a 20MB image file, since there are still many people without fast Internet (and since that's far larger than necessary) but the days of asking people to resize their pictures down to the point where it's hard to see anything are - I hope - behind us. Post away! Steve On 8/6/2018 5:01 PM, The Silent Seed wrote: As some of you might know, I import plants from Thailand from time to time (with the proper paperwork, of course) and a recent acquisition has me stumped. These are called Variegated Zamioculcas - but the petiole has the kinks that Gonatopus do. Is there some kind of new Zamioculcas species floating around that hasn't hit the mainstream market yet? The leaflets are heavily splashed with creamy variegation, and are slender and more elongated. I'm happy to share a picture if we are allowed? Jude -- The Silent Seed Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. thesilentseed.com _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l --Apple-Mail=_90571ECE-CE63-4F99-8EFF-7489BFB0CEB1-- --==============h48874912469793797==

From: Zach DuFran <zdufran at gmail.com> on 2018.08.07 at 11:42:15(23892) That’s unusual, Jude. Are you asking what species you have or something different? My understanding is there is only one species of Zamioculcas. Zach HTML +More On Aug 6, 2018, at 7:28 PM, The Silent Seed wrote: Hey Steve - nice to re-connect with you, too! Thank you - I honestly don't know how to tell the size of a picture - I just snap, shoot, with my old camera. Heck - I got my lazy bum up and I actually looked at one of my pictures on the computer and it actually tells me the size of it. How hard was that? :) So, this picture supposedly is 3.3 mb, and is of the variegated Zamioculcas with Gonatopus characteristics (kinks.) Any input would be great. Best, Jude On Mon, Aug 6, 2018 at 6:28 PM, Steve Marak wrote: Pictures are definitely allowed. I would ask that people not post a 20MB image file, since there are still many people without fast Internet (and since that's far larger than necessary) but the days of asking people to resize their pictures down to the point where it's hard to see anything are - I hope - behind us. Post away! Steve On 8/6/2018 5:01 PM, The Silent Seed wrote: As some of you might know, I import plants from Thailand from time to time (with the proper paperwork, of course) and a recent acquisition has me stumped. These are called Variegated Zamioculcas - but the petiole has the kinks that Gonatopus do. Is there some kind of new Zamioculcas species floating around that hasn't hit the mainstream market yet? The leaflets are heavily splashed with creamy variegation, and are slender and more elongated. I'm happy to share a picture if we are allowed? Jude -- The Silent Seed Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. thesilentseed.com _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l -- The Silent Seed Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. thesilentseed.com _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l --Apple-Mail-7CBF7DA8-C09A-4043-AC7E-C590FD5392B1-- --==============11968294421418987==

From: Tom Croat <Thomas.Croat at mobot.org> on 2018.08.07 at 16:19:21(23893) Dear Jude: Could you send your image(s). I would like to see this strange plant. Tom HTML +More From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of The Silent Seed Sent: Monday, August 06, 2018 5:01 PM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: [Aroid-l] Zamioculcas - like Gonatopus ? As some of you might know, I import plants from Thailand from time to time (with the proper paperwork, of course) and a recent acquisition has me stumped. These are called Variegated Zamioculcas - but the petiole has the kinks that Gonatopus do. Is there some kind of new Zamioculcas species floating around that hasn't hit the mainstream market yet? The leaflets are heavily splashed with creamy variegation, and are slender and more elongated. I'm happy to share a picture if we are allowed? Jude -- The Silent Seed Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. thesilentseed.com

From: The Silent Seed <tylus.seklos at gmail.com> on 2018.08.07 at 16:45:47(23895) Hi Tom, Nice to hear from you! i attached a picture but it got lost along the way, it seems. I am attaching it here again. I would love your input on this creature. Best, Jude HTML +More On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 12:19 PM, Tom Croat wrote: Dear Jude: Could you send your image(s). I would like to see this strange plant. Tom From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of The Silent Seed Sent: Monday, August 06, 2018 5:01 PM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: [Aroid-l] Zamioculcas - like Gonatopus ? As some of you might know, I import plants from Thailand from time to time (with the proper paperwork, of course) and a recent acquisition has me stumped. These are called Variegated Zamioculcas - but the petiole has the kinks that Gonatopus do. Is there some kind of new Zamioculcas species floating around that hasn't hit the mainstream market yet? The leaflets are heavily splashed with creamy variegation, and are slender and more elongated. I'm happy to share a picture if we are allowed? Jude -- The Silent Seed Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. thesilentseed.com _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l -- The Silent Seed Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. thesilentseed.com --0000000000004a03d50572db2045-- --0000000000004a03d80572db2047

From: Bobby McGehe <bobbymcgehe at bellsouth.net> on 2018.08.07 at 16:56:59(23897) I have this form, although it is not variegated. It has been called the 'wild form' in many conversations. Bobby HTML +More From: The Silent Seed To: Discussion of aroids Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2018 12:50 PM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Zamioculcas - like Gonatopus ? Hi Tom, Nice to hear from you! i attached a picture but it got lost along the way, it seems. I am attaching it here again. I would love your input on this creature. Best, Jude On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 12:19 PM, Tom Croat wrote: Dear Jude: Could you send your image(s). I would like to see this strange plant. Tom From: aroid-l-bounces@www. gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www. gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of The Silent Seed Sent: Monday, August 06, 2018 5:01 PM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: [Aroid-l] Zamioculcas - like Gonatopus ? As some of you might know, I import plants from Thailand from time to time (with the proper paperwork, of course) and a recent acquisition has me stumped. These are called Variegated Zamioculcas - but the petiole has the kinks that Gonatopus do. Is there some kind of new Zamioculcas species floating around that hasn't hit the mainstream market yet? The leaflets are heavily splashed with creamy variegation, and are slender and more elongated. I'm happy to share a picture if we are allowed? Jude -- The Silent Seed Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. thesilentseed.com ______________________________ _________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/ mailman/listinfo/aroid-l -- The Silent Seed Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. thesilentseed.com _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l ------=_Part_3491307_208840691.1533661019688-- --==============‚72830471609756593==

From: Bobby McGehe <bobbymcgehe at bellsouth.net> on 2018.08.07 at 17:02:19(23898) I am pretty sure it is Gonatopus. From: The Silent Seed To: Discussion of aroids Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2018 12:50 PM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Zamioculcas - like Gonatopus ? Hi Tom, Nice to hear from you! i attached a picture but it got lost along the way, it seems. I am attaching it here again. I would love your input on this creature. Best, Jude HTML +More On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 12:19 PM, Tom Croat wrote: Dear Jude: Could you send your image(s). I would like to see this strange plant. Tom From: aroid-l-bounces@www. gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www. gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of The Silent Seed Sent: Monday, August 06, 2018 5:01 PM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: [Aroid-l] Zamioculcas - like Gonatopus ? As some of you might know, I import plants from Thailand from time to time (with the proper paperwork, of course) and a recent acquisition has me stumped. These are called Variegated Zamioculcas - but the petiole has the kinks that Gonatopus do. Is there some kind of new Zamioculcas species floating around that hasn't hit the mainstream market yet? The leaflets are heavily splashed with creamy variegation, and are slender and more elongated. I'm happy to share a picture if we are allowed? Jude -- The Silent Seed Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. thesilentseed.com ______________________________ _________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/ mailman/listinfo/aroid-l -- The Silent Seed Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. thesilentseed.com _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l ------=_Part_3517351_965691622.1533661339333-- --==============I66331433528236686==

From: Tom Croat <Thomas.Croat at mobot.org> on 2018.08.07 at 17:06:31(23899) Dear Pete: My sentiments on some of the non-Aroid-L sites. What a lovely Schismatoglottis. I hope you can get it into cultivation. Was is some sort of a obligate edaphic form that won’t grow well out of its niche? Tom HTML +More From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Peter Boyce Sent: Monday, August 06, 2018 11:34 PM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Zamioculcas - like Gonatopus ? Steve and all... I for one would be delighted to see Aroid-L with a new lease of life - the sheer quantity of "messages" I get when posting anything on FB has led me to being very selective, not to say the annoyance of trying to re-find a post that only moments earlier was on the screen but is now buried under a mass of images of peoples' food interspersed with persistent adverts for incontinence products. Anyhow... in the vein of sharing... here is a nice dwarf Schismatoglottis we are in the process of describing for inclusion in the next Aroideana. Peter On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 at 07:21, Steve Marak wrote: Pictures are definitely allowed. I would ask that people not post a 20MB image file, since there are still many people without fast Internet (and since that's far larger than necessary) but the days of asking people to resize their pictures down to the point where it's hard to see anything are - I hope - behind us. Post away! Steve On 8/6/2018 5:01 PM, The Silent Seed wrote: As some of you might know, I import plants from Thailand from time to time (with the proper paperwork, of course) and a recent acquisition has me stumped. These are called Variegated Zamioculcas - but the petiole has the kinks that Gonatopus do. Is there some kind of new Zamioculcas species floating around that hasn't hit the mainstream market yet? The leaflets are heavily splashed with creamy variegation, and are slender and more elongated. I'm happy to share a picture if we are allowed? Jude -- The Silent Seed Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. thesilentseed.com _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "D. Christopher Rogers" <branchiopod at gmail.com> on 2018.08.07 at 19:23:15(23908) I will defer to Tom, of course. But to me it looks like Gonatopus boivinii. I was unaware of any variegated varietals. I like G. boivinii very much and would like to try other Gonatopus species. I know this one is invasive in some areas and is a pest. But I still find them beautiful. They are easily propagated from leaflets stuck upright into sphagnum. The ease of making more is what contributes to its invasiveness. They are also very sensitive to over watering, and are prone to rot. Good to "hear" your voice again, Jude! It has been along time. Happy days, Christopher HTML +More On 7 August 2018 at 11:45, The Silent Seed wrote: Hi Tom, Nice to hear from you! i attached a picture but it got lost along the way, it seems. I am attaching it here again. I would love your input on this creature. Best, Jude On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 12:19 PM, Tom Croat wrote: Dear Jude: Could you send your image(s). I would like to see this strange plant. Tom From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of The Silent Seed Sent: Monday, August 06, 2018 5:01 PM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: [Aroid-l] Zamioculcas - like Gonatopus ? As some of you might know, I import plants from Thailand from time to time (with the proper paperwork, of course) and a recent acquisition has me stumped. These are called Variegated Zamioculcas - but the petiole has the kinks that Gonatopus do. Is there some kind of new Zamioculcas species floating around that hasn't hit the mainstream market yet? The leaflets are heavily splashed with creamy variegation, and are slender and more elongated. I'm happy to share a picture if we are allowed? Jude -- The Silent Seed Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. thesilentseed.com _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l -- The Silent Seed Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. thesilentseed.com _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l -- D. Christopher Rogers ((,///////////=======

From: Zach DuFran <zdufran at gmail.com> on 2018.08.07 at 20:37:37(23910) There are two forms of Zamioculcas zamiifolia that are available. The most common is the horticultural variety with glossy green and very smooth leaves with broad, swollen stems. The other, which I have heard called the "wild form," is much more like your photos, Jude, with the exception of the variegation. The main growth (what looks like a stem but is actually the petiole, I believe) is thinner. Also, my experience is that the "wild form" tends to be more deciduous, whereas the horticultural form tends to be more evergreen. Gonatopus boivinii differs in structure, with leaflets splayed out more horizontally, similar to Amorphophallus, rather than all along the vertical growth of the petiole. My two cents, Zach DuFran HTML +More On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 2:23 PM, D. Christopher Rogers wrote: I will defer to Tom, of course. But to me it looks like Gonatopus boivinii. I was unaware of any variegated varietals. I like G. boivinii very much and would like to try other Gonatopus species. I know this one is invasive in some areas and is a pest. But I still find them beautiful. They are easily propagated from leaflets stuck upright into sphagnum. The ease of making more is what contributes to its invasiveness. They are also very sensitive to over watering, and are prone to rot. Good to "hear" your voice again, Jude! It has been along time. Happy days, Christopher On 7 August 2018 at 11:45, The Silent Seed wrote: Hi Tom, Nice to hear from you! i attached a picture but it got lost along the way, it seems. I am attaching it here again. I would love your input on this creature. Best, Jude On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 12:19 PM, Tom Croat wrote: Dear Jude: Could you send your image(s). I would like to see this strange plant. Tom From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of The Silent Seed Sent: Monday, August 06, 2018 5:01 PM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: [Aroid-l] Zamioculcas - like Gonatopus ? As some of you might know, I import plants from Thailand from time to time (with the proper paperwork, of course) and a recent acquisition has me stumped. These are called Variegated Zamioculcas - but the petiole has the kinks that Gonatopus do. Is there some kind of new Zamioculcas species floating around that hasn't hit the mainstream market yet? The leaflets are heavily splashed with creamy variegation, and are slender and more elongated. I'm happy to share a picture if we are allowed? Jude -- The Silent Seed Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. thesilentseed.com _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l -- The Silent Seed Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. thesilentseed.com _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l -- D. Christopher Rogers ((,///////////=======

From: Bobby McGehe <bobbymcgehe at bellsouth.net> on 2018.08.07 at 21:26:06(23911) After looking more closely at this one I agree, Zach. The tubers and growing habit do resemble Zamioculcas. I have enclosed a picture of the inflorescence. taken at the end of May, several years ago. Nice to have it labeled correctly. Bobby HTML +More From: Zach DuFran To: Discussion of aroids Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2018 4:42 PM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Zamioculcas - like Gonatopus ? There are two forms of Zamioculcas zamiifolia that are available. The most common is the horticultural variety with glossy green and very smooth leaves with broad, swollen stems. The other, which I have heard called the "wild form," is much more like your photos, Jude, with the exception of the variegation. The main growth (what looks like a stem but is actually the petiole, I believe) is thinner. Also, my experience is that the "wild form" tends to be more deciduous, whereas the horticultural form tends to be more evergreen. Gonatopus boivinii differs in structure, with leaflets splayed out more horizontally, similar to Amorphophallus, rather than all along the vertical growth of the petiole. My two cents, Zach DuFran On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 2:23 PM, D. Christopher Rogers wrote: I will defer to Tom, of course. But to me it looks like Gonatopus boivinii. I was unaware of any variegated varietals. I like G. boivinii very much and would like to try other Gonatopus species. I know this one is invasive in some areas and is a pest. But I still find them beautiful. They are easily propagated from leaflets stuck upright into sphagnum. The ease of making more is what contributes to its invasiveness. They are also very sensitive to over watering, and are prone to rot. Good to "hear" your voice again, Jude! It has been along time. Happy days, Christopher On 7 August 2018 at 11:45, The Silent Seed wrote: Hi Tom, Nice to hear from you! i attached a picture but it got lost along the way, it seems. I am attaching it here again. I would love your input on this creature. Best, Jude On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 12:19 PM, Tom Croat wrote: Dear Jude: Could you send your image(s). I would like to see this strange plant. Tom From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks .com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gi zmoworks.com] On Behalf Of The Silent Seed Sent: Monday, August 06, 2018 5:01 PM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: [Aroid-l] Zamioculcas - like Gonatopus ? As some of you might know, I import plants from Thailand from time to time (with the proper paperwork, of course) and a recent acquisition has me stumped. These are called Variegated Zamioculcas - but the petiole has the kinks that Gonatopus do. Is there some kind of new Zamioculcas species floating around that hasn't hit the mainstream market yet? The leaflets are heavily splashed with creamy variegation, and are slender and more elongated. I'm happy to share a picture if we are allowed? Jude -- The Silent Seed Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. thesilentseed.com ______________________________ _________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mail man/listinfo/aroid-l -- The Silent Seed Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. thesilentseed.com ______________________________ _________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mail man/listinfo/aroid-l -- D. Christopher Rogers ((,///////////=======

From: The Silent Seed <tylus.seklos at gmail.com> on 2018.08.07 at 22:44:10(23914) Bobby, Do you happen to have a picture of yours? I'd love to see it along with the knees / kinks? Best, Jude HTML +More On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 12:56 PM, Bobby McGehe wrote: I have this form, although it is not variegated. It has been called the 'wild form' in many conversations. Bobby From: The Silent Seed To: Discussion of aroids Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2018 12:50 PM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Zamioculcas - like Gonatopus ? Hi Tom, Nice to hear from you! i attached a picture but it got lost along the way, it seems. I am attaching it here again. I would love your input on this creature. Best, Jude On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 12:19 PM, Tom Croat wrote: Dear Jude: Could you send your image(s). I would like to see this strange plant. Tom From: aroid-l-bounces@www. gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www. gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of The Silent Seed Sent: Monday, August 06, 2018 5:01 PM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: [Aroid-l] Zamioculcas - like Gonatopus ? As some of you might know, I import plants from Thailand from time to time (with the proper paperwork, of course) and a recent acquisition has me stumped. These are called Variegated Zamioculcas - but the petiole has the kinks that Gonatopus do. Is there some kind of new Zamioculcas species floating around that hasn't hit the mainstream market yet? The leaflets are heavily splashed with creamy variegation, and are slender and more elongated. I'm happy to share a picture if we are allowed? Jude -- The Silent Seed Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. thesilentseed.com ______________________________ _________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/ mailman/listinfo/aroid-l -- The Silent Seed Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. thesilentseed.com _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l -- The Silent Seed Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. thesilentseed.com --000000000000ecf8220572e02124-- --==============V52290733189043147==

From: The Silent Seed <tylus.seklos at gmail.com> on 2018.08.07 at 21:21:36(23916) Zach, What about the so-called Zamioculcas lanceolata? I personally am not certain if they are distinct species or if "lanceolata" is a more elongated version of zamiifolia? I had no idea about the "wild form" versus the domestic form of zamiifolia. Would you happen to have seen any pictures of the wild form, with kinked petioles? These don't show any indication of "branching" as Gonatopus do. I know what you are referring to. Nice to have y'all's back! HTML +More On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 4:37 PM, Zach DuFran wrote: There are two forms of Zamioculcas zamiifolia that are available. The most common is the horticultural variety with glossy green and very smooth leaves with broad, swollen stems. The other, which I have heard called the "wild form," is much more like your photos, Jude, with the exception of the variegation. The main growth (what looks like a stem but is actually the petiole, I believe) is thinner. Also, my experience is that the "wild form" tends to be more deciduous, whereas the horticultural form tends to be more evergreen. Gonatopus boivinii differs in structure, with leaflets splayed out more horizontally, similar to Amorphophallus, rather than all along the vertical growth of the petiole. My two cents, Zach DuFran On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 2:23 PM, D. Christopher Rogers wrote: I will defer to Tom, of course. But to me it looks like Gonatopus boivinii. I was unaware of any variegated varietals. I like G. boivinii very much and would like to try other Gonatopus species. I know this one is invasive in some areas and is a pest. But I still find them beautiful. They are easily propagated from leaflets stuck upright into sphagnum. The ease of making more is what contributes to its invasiveness. They are also very sensitive to over watering, and are prone to rot. Good to "hear" your voice again, Jude! It has been along time. Happy days, Christopher On 7 August 2018 at 11:45, The Silent Seed wrote: Hi Tom, Nice to hear from you! i attached a picture but it got lost along the way, it seems. I am attaching it here again. I would love your input on this creature. Best, Jude On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 12:19 PM, Tom Croat wrote: Dear Jude: Could you send your image(s). I would like to see this strange plant. Tom From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of The Silent Seed Sent: Monday, August 06, 2018 5:01 PM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: [Aroid-l] Zamioculcas - like Gonatopus ? As some of you might know, I import plants from Thailand from time to time (with the proper paperwork, of course) and a recent acquisition has me stumped. These are called Variegated Zamioculcas - but the petiole has the kinks that Gonatopus do. Is there some kind of new Zamioculcas species floating around that hasn't hit the mainstream market yet? The leaflets are heavily splashed with creamy variegation, and are slender and more elongated. I'm happy to share a picture if we are allowed? Jude -- The Silent Seed Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. thesilentseed.com _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l -- The Silent Seed Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. thesilentseed.com _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l -- D. Christopher Rogers ((,///////////=======

From: "Peter C. Boyce" <phymatarum at gmail.com> on 2018.08.08 at 01:06:32(23921) Dear Eduardo: So good to hear from you. This Schismatoglottis (to be described as S. clivemarshii) grows on very odd melange outcroppings composed of basalt, granite, deep water sediments and nickel-rich ultrabasics in a semi-hard clay matrix. It is interesting to note that the two species to which S. clivemarshii is most closely related are both limestone obligates. See attached. On the subject of complex blade-patternings, here on Borneo by far the most complex and variable markings occur on species from ultrabasics. See attached. Great to be in touch Eduardo Very best as ever Pete HTML +More From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Eduardo Gonçalves Sent: Tuesday, 7 August, 2018 10:25 PM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Zamioculcas - like Gonatopus ? Dear Pete, It was amazing when I realize how convergent are aroids in many vegetative aspect. If you showed me this picture as being taken in Central Brazil, I would swear it was Spathicarpa gardneri. Probably they use the same gene cascading to produce such variegation pattern. I could also bet this new species grows in limestone cliffs or limestone rich soils, since many aroid species in Brazil produces this kind of variegation when growing in rich soils. Let me know if it is also true there. Very best wishes, Eduardo. On 7 Aug 2018, at 00:34, Peter Boyce wrote: Steve and all... I for one would be delighted to see Aroid-L with a new lease of life - the sheer quantity of "messages" I get when posting anything on FB has led me to being very selective, not to say the annoyance of trying to re-find a post that only moments earlier was on the screen but is now buried under a mass of images of peoples' food interspersed with persistent adverts for incontinence products. Anyhow... in the vein of sharing... here is a nice dwarf Schismatoglottis we are in the process of describing for inclusion in the next Aroideana. Peter On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 at 07:21, Steve Marak wrote: Pictures are definitely allowed. I would ask that people not post a 20MB image file, since there are still many people without fast Internet (and since that's far larger than necessary) but the days of asking people to resize their pictures down to the point where it's hard to see anything are - I hope - behind us. Post away! Steve On 8/6/2018 5:01 PM, The Silent Seed wrote: As some of you might know, I import plants from Thailand from time to time (with the proper paperwork, of course) and a recent acquisition has me stumped. These are called Variegated Zamioculcas - but the petiole has the kinks that Gonatopus do. Is there some kind of new Zamioculcas species floating around that hasn't hit the mainstream market yet? The leaflets are heavily splashed with creamy variegation, and are slender and more elongated. I'm happy to share a picture if we are allowed? Jude -- The Silent Seed Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. thesilentseed.com _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l ------=_NextPart_001_006A_01D42EF7.1BEEED70-- ------=_NextPart_000_0069_01D42EF7.1BEEED70

From: "Peter C. Boyce" <phymatarum at gmail.com> on 2018.08.08 at 00:54:51(23924) Dear Tom: This is going to be described as Schismatoglottis clivemarshii, in tribute to the Clive Marsh, who was instrumental in establishing the Danum Valley Conservation Area in Sabah, to where this species in endemic. Clive, who was a personal friend, died of shortly before his fiftieth year from complications of tic-born encephalitis. Yes, we have it in cultivation, in several of its different blade patternings. Pete HTML +More From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Tom Croat Sent: Wednesday, 8 August, 2018 1:07 AM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Zamioculcas - like Gonatopus ? Dear Pete: My sentiments on some of the non-Aroid-L sites. What a lovely Schismatoglottis. I hope you can get it into cultivation. Was is some sort of a obligate edaphic form that won’t grow well out of its niche? Tom From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Peter Boyce Sent: Monday, August 06, 2018 11:34 PM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Zamioculcas - like Gonatopus ? Steve and all... I for one would be delighted to see Aroid-L with a new lease of life - the sheer quantity of "messages" I get when posting anything on FB has led me to being very selective, not to say the annoyance of trying to re-find a post that only moments earlier was on the screen but is now buried under a mass of images of peoples' food interspersed with persistent adverts for incontinence products. Anyhow... in the vein of sharing... here is a nice dwarf Schismatoglottis we are in the process of describing for inclusion in the next Aroideana. Peter On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 at 07:21, Steve Marak wrote: Pictures are definitely allowed. I would ask that people not post a 20MB image file, since there are still many people without fast Internet (and since that's far larger than necessary) but the days of asking people to resize their pictures down to the point where it's hard to see anything are - I hope - behind us. Post away! Steve On 8/6/2018 5:01 PM, The Silent Seed wrote: As some of you might know, I import plants from Thailand from time to time (with the proper paperwork, of course) and a recent acquisition has me stumped. These are called Variegated Zamioculcas - but the petiole has the kinks that Gonatopus do. Is there some kind of new Zamioculcas species floating around that hasn't hit the mainstream market yet? The leaflets are heavily splashed with creamy variegation, and are slender and more elongated. I'm happy to share a picture if we are allowed? Jude -- The Silent Seed Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. thesilentseed.com _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l ------=_NextPart_000_0129_01D42EF5.7A682DA0-- --==============v42565470579944256==

From: "Peter C. Boyce" <phymatarum at gmail.com> on 2018.08.08 at 01:07:28(23925) Hello Christopher, Likewise, great to be in touch. Peter HTML +More From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of D. Christopher Rogers Sent: Tuesday, 7 August, 2018 9:48 PM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Zamioculcas - like Gonatopus ? Hello, friends!!! I agree with Peter et al., I miss Aroid-L. Although, I have avoided FB entirely. Nice plant, Peter! And it is good to hear from all of you guys again!! Christopher On 6 August 2018 at 23:34, Peter Boyce wrote: Steve and all... I for one would be delighted to see Aroid-L with a new lease of life - the sheer quantity of "messages" I get when posting anything on FB has led me to being very selective, not to say the annoyance of trying to re-find a post that only moments earlier was on the screen but is now buried under a mass of images of peoples' food interspersed with persistent adverts for incontinence products. Anyhow... in the vein of sharing... here is a nice dwarf Schismatoglottis we are in the process of describing for inclusion in the next Aroideana. Peter On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 at 07:21, Steve Marak wrote: Pictures are definitely allowed. I would ask that people not post a 20MB image file, since there are still many people without fast Internet (and since that's far larger than necessary) but the days of asking people to resize their pictures down to the point where it's hard to see anything are - I hope - behind us. Post away! Steve On 8/6/2018 5:01 PM, The Silent Seed wrote: As some of you might know, I import plants from Thailand from time to time (with the proper paperwork, of course) and a recent acquisition has me stumped. These are called Variegated Zamioculcas - but the petiole has the kinks that Gonatopus do. Is there some kind of new Zamioculcas species floating around that hasn't hit the mainstream market yet? The leaflets are heavily splashed with creamy variegation, and are slender and more elongated. I'm happy to share a picture if we are allowed? Jude -- The Silent Seed Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. thesilentseed.com _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l -- D. Christopher Rogers ((,///////////=======

From: "D. Christopher Rogers" <branchiopod at gmail.com> on 2018.08.08 at 14:59:28(23927) Good points, Zach. I was focusing on the patterns. Bobby: great to connect with you again!! On 7 August 2018 at 16:26, Bobby McGehe wrote: HTML +More After looking more closely at this one I agree, Zach. The tubers and growing habit do resemble Zamioculcas. I have enclosed a picture of the inflorescence. taken at the end of May, several years ago. Nice to have it labeled correctly. Bobby From: Zach DuFran To: Discussion of aroids Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2018 4:42 PM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Zamioculcas - like Gonatopus ? There are two forms of Zamioculcas zamiifolia that are available. The most common is the horticultural variety with glossy green and very smooth leaves with broad, swollen stems. The other, which I have heard called the "wild form," is much more like your photos, Jude, with the exception of the variegation. The main growth (what looks like a stem but is actually the petiole, I believe) is thinner. Also, my experience is that the "wild form" tends to be more deciduous, whereas the horticultural form tends to be more evergreen. Gonatopus boivinii differs in structure, with leaflets splayed out more horizontally, similar to Amorphophallus, rather than all along the vertical growth of the petiole. My two cents, Zach DuFran On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 2:23 PM, D. Christopher Rogers wrote: I will defer to Tom, of course. But to me it looks like Gonatopus boivinii. I was unaware of any variegated varietals. I like G. boivinii very much and would like to try other Gonatopus species. I know this one is invasive in some areas and is a pest. But I still find them beautiful. They are easily propagated from leaflets stuck upright into sphagnum. The ease of making more is what contributes to its invasiveness. They are also very sensitive to over watering, and are prone to rot. Good to "hear" your voice again, Jude! It has been along time. Happy days, Christopher On 7 August 2018 at 11:45, The Silent Seed wrote: Hi Tom, Nice to hear from you! i attached a picture but it got lost along the way, it seems. I am attaching it here again. I would love your input on this creature. Best, Jude On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 12:19 PM, Tom Croat wrote: Dear Jude: Could you send your image(s). I would like to see this strange plant. Tom From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks .com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gi zmoworks.com] On Behalf Of The Silent Seed Sent: Monday, August 06, 2018 5:01 PM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: [Aroid-l] Zamioculcas - like Gonatopus ? As some of you might know, I import plants from Thailand from time to time (with the proper paperwork, of course) and a recent acquisition has me stumped. These are called Variegated Zamioculcas - but the petiole has the kinks that Gonatopus do. Is there some kind of new Zamioculcas species floating around that hasn't hit the mainstream market yet? The leaflets are heavily splashed with creamy variegation, and are slender and more elongated. I'm happy to share a picture if we are allowed? Jude -- The Silent Seed Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. thesilentseed.com ______________________________ _________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mail man/listinfo/aroid-l -- The Silent Seed Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. thesilentseed.com ______________________________ _________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mail man/listinfo/aroid-l -- D. Christopher Rogers ((,///////////=======

From: "D. Christopher Rogers" <branchiopod at gmail.com> on 2018.08.08 at 15:08:52(23928) Gorgeous plants . . . On 7 August 2018 at 20:06, Peter C. Boyce wrote: Dear Eduardo: HTML +More So good to hear from you. This Schismatoglottis (to be described as S. clivemarshii) grows on very odd melange outcroppings composed of basalt, granite, deep water sediments and nickel-rich ultrabasics in a semi-hard clay matrix. It is interesting to note that the two species to which S. clivemarshii is most closely related are both limestone obligates. See attached. On the subject of complex blade-patternings, here on Borneo by far the most complex and variable markings occur on species from ultrabasics. See attached. Great to be in touch Eduardo Very best as ever Pete From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Eduardo Gonçalves Sent: Tuesday, 7 August, 2018 10:25 PM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Zamioculcas - like Gonatopus ? Dear Pete, It was amazing when I realize how convergent are aroids in many vegetative aspect. If you showed me this picture as being taken in Central Brazil, I would swear it was Spathicarpa gardneri. Probably they use the same gene cascading to produce such variegation pattern. I could also bet this new species grows in limestone cliffs or limestone rich soils, since many aroid species in Brazil produces this kind of variegation when growing in rich soils. Let me know if it is also true there. Very best wishes, Eduardo. On 7 Aug 2018, at 00:34, Peter Boyce wrote: Steve and all... I for one would be delighted to see Aroid-L with a new lease of life - the sheer quantity of "messages" I get when posting anything on FB has led me to being very selective, not to say the annoyance of trying to re-find a post that only moments earlier was on the screen but is now buried under a mass of images of peoples' food interspersed with persistent adverts for incontinence products. Anyhow... in the vein of sharing... here is a nice dwarf Schismatoglottis we are in the process of describing for inclusion in the next Aroideana. Peter On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 at 07:21, Steve Marak wrote: Pictures are definitely allowed. I would ask that people not post a 20MB image file, since there are still many people without fast Internet (and since that's far larger than necessary) but the days of asking people to resize their pictures down to the point where it's hard to see anything are - I hope - behind us. Post away! Steve On 8/6/2018 5:01 PM, The Silent Seed wrote: As some of you might know, I import plants from Thailand from time to time (with the proper paperwork, of course) and a recent acquisition has me stumped. These are called Variegated Zamioculcas - but the petiole has the kinks that Gonatopus do. Is there some kind of new Zamioculcas species floating around that hasn't hit the mainstream market yet? The leaflets are heavily splashed with creamy variegation, and are slender and more elongated. I'm happy to share a picture if we are allowed? Jude -- The Silent Seed Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. thesilentseed.com _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l -- D. Christopher Rogers ((,///////////=======

From: Deni Bown <denibown at gmail.com> on 2018.08.08 at 16:21:46(23930) There is also a black form which has the same glossy green leaves and swollen stems. I saw it in a garden centre in the UK in April. Both leaves and stems are black. Does anyone know the cultivar name and where it originates? Deni Bown HTML +More From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com On Behalf Of Zach DuFran Sent: 07 August 2018 22:38 To: Discussion of aroids Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Zamioculcas - like Gonatopus ? There are two forms of Zamioculcas zamiifolia that are available. The most common is the horticultural variety with glossy green and very smooth leaves with broad, swollen stems. The other, which I have heard called the "wild form," is much more like your photos, Jude, with the exception of the variegation. The main growth (what looks like a stem but is actually the petiole, I believe) is thinner. Also, my experience is that the "wild form" tends to be more deciduous, whereas the horticultural form tends to be more evergreen. Gonatopus boivinii differs in structure, with leaflets splayed out more horizontally, similar to Amorphophallus, rather than all along the vertical growth of the petiole. My two cents, Zach DuFran On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 2:23 PM, D. Christopher Rogers wrote: I will defer to Tom, of course. But to me it looks like Gonatopus boivinii. I was unaware of any variegated varietals. I like G. boivinii very much and would like to try other Gonatopus species. I know this one is invasive in some areas and is a pest. But I still find them beautiful. They are easily propagated from leaflets stuck upright into sphagnum. The ease of making more is what contributes to its invasiveness. They are also very sensitive to over watering, and are prone to rot. Good to "hear" your voice again, Jude! It has been along time. Happy days, Christopher On 7 August 2018 at 11:45, The Silent Seed wrote: Hi Tom, Nice to hear from you! i attached a picture but it got lost along the way, it seems. I am attaching it here again. I would love your input on this creature. Best, Jude On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 12:19 PM, Tom Croat wrote: Dear Jude: Could you send your image(s). I would like to see this strange plant. Tom From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of The Silent Seed Sent: Monday, August 06, 2018 5:01 PM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: [Aroid-l] Zamioculcas - like Gonatopus ? As some of you might know, I import plants from Thailand from time to time (with the proper paperwork, of course) and a recent acquisition has me stumped. These are called Variegated Zamioculcas - but the petiole has the kinks that Gonatopus do. Is there some kind of new Zamioculcas species floating around that hasn't hit the mainstream market yet? The leaflets are heavily splashed with creamy variegation, and are slender and more elongated. I'm happy to share a picture if we are allowed? Jude -- The Silent Seed Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. thesilentseed.com _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l -- The Silent Seed Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. thesilentseed.com _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l -- D. Christopher Rogers ((,///////////=======

From: Steve Marak <samarak at gizmoworks.com> on 2018.08.08 at 16:20:30(23933) My first thought on seeing Jude's picture was "definitely Zamioculcas", but it's the first Zamioculcas I've seen that seems to have an obvious geniculum (knee). The horticultural form that shows up in hotel lobbies and malls never seem to show that, and now that I think about it those plants all seem remarkably similar. Does anyone know if there's more than one form of this species in the trade? Steve HTML +More On 8/8/2018 9:59 AM, D. Christopher Rogers wrote: Good points, Zach. I was focusing on the patterns. Bobby: great to connect with you again!! On 7 August 2018 at 16:26, Bobby McGehe target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"bobbymcgehe@bellsouth.net/a> wrote: After looking more closely at this one I agree, Zach. The tubers and growing habit do resemble Zamioculcas. I have enclosed a picture of the inflorescence. taken at the end of May, several years ago. Nice to have it labeled correctly. Bobby From: Zach DuFran href="mailto:zdufran@gmail.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"zdufran@gmail.com/a> To: Discussion of aroids href="mailto:aroid-l@www.gizmoworks.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"aroid-l@www.gizmoworks.com/a> Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2018 4:42 PM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Zamioculcas - like Gonatopus ? There are two forms of Zamioculcas zamiifolia that are available. The most common is the horticultural variety with glossy green and very smooth leaves with broad, swollen stems. The other, which I have heard called the "wild form," is much more like your photos, Jude, with the exception of the variegation. The main growth (what looks like a stem but is actually the petiole, I believe) is thinner. Also, my experience is that the "wild form" tends to be more deciduous, whereas the horticultural form tends to be more evergreen. Gonatopus boivinii differs in structure, with leaflets splayed out more horizontally, similar to Amorphophallus, rather than all along the vertical growth of the petiole. My two cents, Zach DuFran On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 2:23 PM, D. Christopher Rogers rel="nofollow" href="mailto:branchiopod@gmail.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"branchiopod@gmail.com/a> wrote: I will defer to Tom, of course. But to me it looks like Gonatopus boivinii. I was unaware of any variegated varietals. I like G. boivinii very much and would like to try other Gonatopus species. I know this one is invasive in some areas and is a pest. But I still find them beautiful. They are easily propagated from leaflets stuck upright into sphagnum. The ease of making more is what contributes to its invasiveness. They are also very sensitive to over watering, and are prone to rot. Good to "hear" your voice again, Jude! It has been along time. Happy days, Christopher On 7 August 2018 at 11:45, The Silent Seed rel="nofollow" href="mailto:tylus.seklos@gmail.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"tylus.seklos@gmail.com/a> wrote: Hi Tom, Nice to hear from you! i attached a picture but it got lost along the way, it seems. I am attaching it here again. I would love your input on this creature. Best, Jude On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 12:19 PM, Tom Croat rel="nofollow" href="mailto:Thomas.Croat@mobot.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"Thomas.Croat@mobot.org/a> wrote: Dear Jude: Could you send your image(s). I would like to see this strange plant. Tom From: rel="nofollow" href="mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks .com [mailto: rel="nofollow" href="mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">aroid-l-bounces@www.gi zmoworks.com] On Behalf Of The Silent Seed Sent: Monday, August 06, 2018 5:01 PM To: Discussion of aroids rel="nofollow" href="mailto:aroid-l@www.gizmoworks.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"aroid-l@www.gizmoworks.com/a> Subject: [Aroid-l] Zamioculcas - like Gonatopus ? As some of you might know, I import plants from Thailand from time to time (with the proper paperwork, of course) and a recent acquisition has me stumped. These are called Variegated Zamioculcas - but the petiole has the kinks that Gonatopus do. Is there some kind of new Zamioculcas species floating around that hasn't hit the mainstream market yet? The leaflets are heavily splashed with creamy variegation, and are slender and more elongated. I'm happy to share a picture if we are allowed? 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From: Don Bittel <donbit121 at hotmail.com> on 2018.08.09 at 00:49:57(23939) Hello. The black leaved form that I bought was called 'Raven', and just said it was a new form from Asia. I hope it becomes more common. Don Bittel HTML +More On August 8, 2018, at 1:02 PM, Deni Bown wrote: There is also a black form which has the same glossy green leaves and swollen stems. I saw it in a garden centre in the UK in April. Both leaves and stems are black. Does anyone know the cultivar name and where it originates? Deni Bown From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com On Behalf Of Zach DuFran Sent: 07 August 2018 22:38 To: Discussion of aroids Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Zamioculcas - like Gonatopus ? There are two forms of Zamioculcas zamiifolia that are available. The most common is the horticultural variety with glossy green and very smooth leaves with broad, swollen stems. The other, which I have heard called the "wild form," is much more like your photos, Jude, with the exception of the variegation. The main growth (what looks like a stem but is actually the petiole, I believe) is thinner. Also, my experience is that the "wild form" tends to be more deciduous, whereas the horticultural form tends to be more evergreen. Gonatopus boivinii differs in structure, with leaflets splayed out more horizontally, similar to Amorphophallus, rather than all along the vertical growth of the petiole. My two cents, Zach DuFran On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 2:23 PM, D. Christopher Rogers wrote: I will defer to Tom, of course. But to me it looks like Gonatopus boivinii. I was unaware of any variegated varietals. I like G. boivinii very much and would like to try other Gonatopus species. I know this one is invasive in some areas and is a pest. But I still find them beautiful. They are easily propagated from leaflets stuck upright into sphagnum. The ease of making more is what contributes to its invasiveness. They are also very sensitive to over watering, and are prone to rot. Good to "hear" your voice again, Jude! It has been along time. Happy days, Christopher On 7 August 2018 at 11:45, The Silent Seed wrote: Hi Tom, Nice to hear from you! i attached a picture but it got lost along the way, it seems. I am attaching it here again. I would love your input on this creature. Best, Jude On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 12:19 PM, Tom Croat wrote: Dear Jude: Could you send your image(s). I would like to see this strange plant. Tom From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of The Silent Seed Sent: Monday, August 06, 2018 5:01 PM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: [Aroid-l] Zamioculcas - like Gonatopus ? As some of you might know, I import plants from Thailand from time to time (with the proper paperwork, of course) and a recent acquisition has me stumped. These are called Variegated Zamioculcas - but the petiole has the kinks that Gonatopus do. Is there some kind of new Zamioculcas species floating around that hasn't hit the mainstream market yet? The leaflets are heavily splashed with creamy variegation, and are slender and more elongated. I'm happy to share a picture if we are allowed? Jude -- The Silent Seed Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. thesilentseed.com _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l -- The Silent Seed Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. thesilentseed.com _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l -- D. Christopher Rogers ((,///////////=======

From: Steve Marak <samarak at gizmoworks.com> on 2018.08.09 at 02:09:37(23940) I Googled this after Deni's note earlier. Several vendors in the U.K. were offering it under the cultivar name 'Dowton', and I found this link from January suggesting it will be more widely available in the U.S. (as 'Raven') later this year or early next: https://gardenmediagroup.com/Zamioculcas-Raven-Chosen-Best-New-Plant Steve HTML +More On 8/8/2018 7:49 PM, Don Bittel wrote: Hello. The black leaved form that I bought was called 'Raven', and just said it was a new form from Asia. I hope it becomes more common. Don Bittel On August 8, 2018, at 1:02 PM, Deni Bown wrote: There is also a black form which has the same glossy green leaves and swollen stems. I saw it in a garden centre in the UK in April. Both leaves and stems are black. ? Does anyone know the cultivar name and where it originates? ? Deni Bown ? From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com On Behalf Of Zach DuFran Sent: 07 August 2018 22:38 To: Discussion of aroids Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Zamioculcas - like Gonatopus ? ? There are two forms of Zamioculcas zamiifolia that are available.?The most?common is the horticultural variety with glossy green and very smooth leaves with broad, swollen stems. The other, which I have heard called the "wild form," is much more like your photos, Jude, with the exception of the variegation. The main growth (what looks like a stem but is actually the petiole, I believe) is thinner. Also, my experience is that the "wild form" tends to be more deciduous, whereas the horticultural form tends to be more evergreen. ? Gonatopus boivinii differs in structure, with leaflets splayed out more horizontally, similar to Amorphophallus, rather than all along the vertical growth of the petiole. ? My two cents, ? Zach DuFran ? On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 2:23 PM, D. Christopher Rogers href="mailto:branchiopod@gmail.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"branchiopod@gmail.com/a> wrote: I will defer to Tom, of course. But to me it looks like Gonatopus boivinii. I was unaware of any variegated varietals. ? I like G. boivinii very much and would like to try other Gonatopus species.? I know this one is invasive in some areas and is a pest. But I still find them beautiful. They are easily propagated from leaflets stuck upright into sphagnum. The ease of making more is what contributes to its invasiveness. They are also very sensitive to over watering, and are prone to rot. ? Good to "hear" your voice again, Jude! It has been along time. ? Happy days, Christopher ? On 7 August 2018 at 11:45, The Silent Seed href="mailto:tylus.seklos@gmail.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"tylus.seklos@gmail.com/a> wrote: Hi Tom, Nice to hear from you! i attached a picture but it got lost along the way, it seems. I am attaching it here again. I would love your input on this creature. Best, Jude ? On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 12:19 PM, Tom Croat href="mailto:Thomas.Croat@mobot.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"Thomas.Croat@mobot.org/a> wrote: style="margin-top:12.0pt">Dear Jude:? Could you send your image(s).? I would like to see this strange plant. style="margin-top:12.0pt">? style="margin-top:12.0pt">Tom ? 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The leaflets are heavily splashed with creamy variegation, and are slender and more elongated. style="">I'm happy to share a picture if we are allowed? 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From: The Silent Seed <tylus.seklos at gmail.com> on 2018.08.09 at 02:11:04(23941) I missed this - sorry - I bought some, too - they are called Raven, and from what I can see so far, they are tiny! I wonder if the leaves will actually grow larger as the plant gets older, but my mother plant has 2-3 inch leaves sitting on top of a huge tuber. Weird little thing, and really striking. Apparently they will be hitting box stores this fall or next spring according to Costa Farms. HTML +More On Wed, Aug 8, 2018 at 8:49 PM, Don Bittel wrote: Hello. The black leaved form that I bought was called 'Raven', and just said it was a new form from Asia. I hope it becomes more common. Don Bittel On August 8, 2018, at 1:02 PM, Deni Bown wrote: There is also a black form which has the same glossy green leaves and swollen stems. I saw it in a garden centre in the UK in April. Both leaves and stems are black. Does anyone know the cultivar name and where it originates? Deni Bown From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com On Behalf Of Zach DuFran Sent: 07 August 2018 22:38 To: Discussion of aroids Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Zamioculcas - like Gonatopus ? There are two forms of Zamioculcas zamiifolia that are available. The most common is the horticultural variety with glossy green and very smooth leaves with broad, swollen stems. The other, which I have heard called the "wild form," is much more like your photos, Jude, with the exception of the variegation. The main growth (what looks like a stem but is actually the petiole, I believe) is thinner. Also, my experience is that the "wild form" tends to be more deciduous, whereas the horticultural form tends to be more evergreen. Gonatopus boivinii differs in structure, with leaflets splayed out more horizontally, similar to Amorphophallus, rather than all along the vertical growth of the petiole. My two cents, Zach DuFran On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 2:23 PM, D. Christopher Rogers wrote: I will defer to Tom, of course. But to me it looks like Gonatopus boivinii. I was unaware of any variegated varietals. I like G. boivinii very much and would like to try other Gonatopus species. I know this one is invasive in some areas and is a pest. But I still find them beautiful. They are easily propagated from leaflets stuck upright into sphagnum. The ease of making more is what contributes to its invasiveness. They are also very sensitive to over watering, and are prone to rot. Good to "hear" your voice again, Jude! It has been along time. Happy days, Christopher On 7 August 2018 at 11:45, The Silent Seed wrote: Hi Tom, Nice to hear from you! i attached a picture but it got lost along the way, it seems. I am attaching it here again. I would love your input on this creature. Best, Jude On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 12:19 PM, Tom Croat wrote: Dear Jude: Could you send your image(s). I would like to see this strange plant. Tom From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of The Silent Seed Sent: Monday, August 06, 2018 5:01 PM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: [Aroid-l] Zamioculcas - like Gonatopus ? As some of you might know, I import plants from Thailand from time to time (with the proper paperwork, of course) and a recent acquisition has me stumped. These are called Variegated Zamioculcas - but the petiole has the kinks that Gonatopus do. Is there some kind of new Zamioculcas species floating around that hasn't hit the mainstream market yet? The leaflets are heavily splashed with creamy variegation, and are slender and more elongated. I'm happy to share a picture if we are allowed? Jude -- The Silent Seed Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. thesilentseed.com _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l -- The Silent Seed Rare and Unusual plants from around the world. thesilentseed.com _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l -- D. Christopher Rogers ((,///////////=======

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