Pinellia from seeds

From: Ken Mosher <ken at spatulacity.com> on 2013.08.22 at 20:00:44(22898) My Pinellias have been dropping seeds all over for many weeks. If I collect it is it important to plant it while they're still surrounded by the fleshy berry or can I wait until I've collected for a few weeks even though most of them will have dried by then? Thanks, Ken HTML +More --001a11332252cb4c4c04e48ebeca-- --==============a92810239623661492==

From: "D. Christopher Rogers" <branchiopod at gmail.com> on 2013.08.22 at 20:26:49(22899) Hiyer, Ken! I have had it grow just fine scattering the berries around in leaf litter. It can become a pest for some. I love the genus. Cheers! Christopher HTML +More On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Ken Mosher wrote: My Pinellias have been dropping seeds all over for many weeks. If I collect it is it important to plant it while they're still surrounded by the fleshy berry or can I wait until I've collected for a few weeks even though most of them will have dried by then? Thanks, Ken _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l -- D. Christopher Rogers ((,///////////=======

From: Don Martinson <llmen at wi.rr.com> on 2013.08.22 at 21:08:22(22900) I can only speak to the habits of Pinellia pedatisecta, which is on the verge of taking over parts of my garden. Even up here is southern Wisconsin, it has no problem with simply scattering its own seeds which readily germinate the next spring with absolutely no help from me. And I swear that the germination rate must be in the high 90’s from the amount of seedlings I end up with. The leaves are attractive, but the inflorescence and infructescence are pretty unremarkable. This would suggest that at least for this species, the removal of the flesh berry (not very large, I might add) is not necessary for future germination. Don Martinson HTML +More Veni, vidi, plantatio emi. On 8/22/13 3:00 PM, "Ken Mosher" wrote: My Pinellias have been dropping seeds all over for many weeks. If I collect it is it important to plant it while they're still surrounded by the fleshy berry or can I wait until I've collected for a few weeks even though most of them will have dried by then? Thanks, Ken _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l --B_3460032503_26322102-- --==============E53524503077325890==

From: DAVID LEEDY <djleedy at sbcglobal.net> on 2013.08.22 at 23:00:36(22901) I like that genus also, maybe because even I can grow it. Have been looking for the variegated form of P. tripartitum or P. pedisecta, but all specialty nurseries are "growing for stock." Anyone have an extra or so, let me know the price at my private email address (djleedy@sbcglobal.net) David Leedy HTML +More From: Ken Mosher To: Discussion of aroids Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 3:00 PM Subject: [Aroid-l] Pinellia from seeds My Pinellias have been dropping seeds all over for many weeks. If I collect it is it important to plant it while they're still surrounded by the fleshy berry or can I wait until I've collected for a few weeks even though most of them will have dried by then? Thanks, Ken _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l ---334495122-462188438-1377212436=:37623-- --==============127273195577592723==

From: Ken Mosher <ken at spatulacity.com> on 2013.08.23 at 07:15:21(22902) Yes, the two patches of P. pedatisecta growing in my outdoor garden are ever expanding. I had no intention of removing the seed from the berry but I'm still wondering if I collect the berries/seeds over time and pile them up in a bowl indoors will it harm them to get dried out? HTML +More -Ken On 8/22/2013 5:08 PM, Don Martinson wrote: Re: [Aroid-l] Pinellia from seeds I can only speak to the habits of Pinellia pedatisecta, which is on the verge of taking over parts of my garden. Even up here is southern Wisconsin, it has no problem with simply scattering its own seeds which readily germinate the next spring with absolutely no help from me. And I swear that the germination rate must be in the high 90’s from the amount of seedlings I end up with. The leaves are attractive, but the inflorescence and infructescence are pretty unremarkable. This would suggest that at least for this species, the removal of the flesh berry (not very large, I might add) is not necessary for future germination. Don Martinson Veni, vidi, plantatio emi. On 8/22/13 3:00 PM, "Ken Mosher" href="ken@spatulacity.com"ken@spatulacity.com/a> wrote: My Pinellias have been dropping seeds all over for many weeks. If I collect it is it important to plant it while they're still surrounded by the fleshy berry or can I wait until I've collected for a few weeks even though most of them will have dried by then? Thanks, Ken _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com href="http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l">http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l --==============70595884985976213==

From: Ken Mosher <ken at spatulacity.com> on 2013.08.23 at 07:27:05(22903) Hi Chris, I don't find them to be pesty at all! They're scattering themselves around fairly nicely but I need to relocate those patches because they're in an inconvenient location in my big garden. Also, the P. tripartita that seeded itself in the floor of my greenhouse under one of the benches is on my chore list to move outdoors in the spring. In the meantime I thought I'd collect a bunch of this year's infuctuscenses and sow the seed in the new locations. My P. pedatisecta is growing in full sun in normal garden loam. It seems happy enough. The P. tripartita is growing in the sandy/rocky/gravelly floor of the greenhouse. No organic matter at all but since they're under one of the benches they get a lot of fertilizer. HTML +More I have a very small clump of P. cordata in the shade garden. This is only their second season with me so I expect them to be much more vigorous next year. Are you going to the IAS show this year? I want to go since I haven't been down in about 4 years but I'm not sure if I can work it out or not. -Ken On 8/22/2013 4:26 PM, D. Christopher Rogers wrote: Hiyer, Ken! I have had it grow just fine scattering the berries around in leaf litter. It can become a pest for some. I love the genus. Cheers! Christopher On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Ken Mosher href="mailto:ken@spatulacity.com" target="_blank"ken@spatulacity.com/a> wrote: My Pinellias have been dropping seeds all over for many weeks. If I collect it is it important to plant it while they're still surrounded by the fleshy berry or can I wait until I've collected for a few weeks even though most of them will have dried by then? Thanks, Ken --==============&61976981240009710==

From: "D. Christopher Rogers" <branchiopod at gmail.com> on 2013.08.23 at 16:49:45(22904) Hiyer, Ken! Sigh. I wish I could go. It has been about four years for me as well . . . and I miss the plants and the camaraderie. Aroid people are the best! Plus I learn so very much and buy too many plants. But my personal travel budget is pretty tapped out. For work this year I was in Australia and Costa Rica. Your Pinellia sound really happy. I moved from California to Kansas three years ago and the Pinellia pedatisecta and the P. tripartita took it in stride. My P. cordata and P. ternata came up the first summer and never were seen again. I need to try that one again some time. I have never had them as pests, though I know some who have. I just bury my outdoor aroids in a foot or so of leaf litter each autumn, and they seem to pop up just fine when the snows abate. This has worked for those two Pinella, Helicodiceros, Dracunculus, and most Arisaemas and Arums. My Arisaema ringens, Arum hygrophilum, and Arisarum simmorrhinum did not survive, along with the P. cordata and ternata. Strangely, my Typhonium gigantea did fine the first summer, even bloomed, then vanished the next two summers. I thought it was gone, and then it came up this past fortnight with large leaves, happy as can be, as if no years were skipped. Go figure! Happy days! Christopher HTML +More On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 2:27 AM, Ken Mosher wrote: Hi Chris, I don't find them to be pesty at all! They're scattering themselves around fairly nicely but I need to relocate those patches because they're in an inconvenient location in my big garden. Also, the P. tripartita that seeded itself in the floor of my greenhouse under one of the benches is on my chore list to move outdoors in the spring. In the meantime I thought I'd collect a bunch of this year's infuctuscenses and sow the seed in the new locations. My P. pedatisecta is growing in full sun in normal garden loam. It seems happy enough. The P. tripartita is growing in the sandy/rocky/gravelly floor of the greenhouse. No organic matter at all but since they're under one of the benches they get a lot of fertilizer. I have a very small clump of P. cordata in the shade garden. This is only their second season with me so I expect them to be much more vigorous next year. Are you going to the IAS show this year? I want to go since I haven't been down in about 4 years but I'm not sure if I can work it out or not. -Ken On 8/22/2013 4:26 PM, D. Christopher Rogers wrote: Hiyer, Ken! I have had it grow just fine scattering the berries around in leaf litter. It can become a pest for some. I love the genus. Cheers! Christopher On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Ken Mosher wrote: My Pinellias have been dropping seeds all over for many weeks. If I collect it is it important to plant it while they're still surrounded by the fleshy berry or can I wait until I've collected for a few weeks even though most of them will have dried by then? Thanks, Ken _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l -- D. Christopher Rogers ((,///////////=======

From: DAVID LEEDY <djleedy at sbcglobal.net> on 2013.08.26 at 19:39:59(22906) Hello All, To continue this string, has anyone successfully crossed P. tripartitum with P. pedisecta? How is this accomplished (illustrations, if possible). Thanks. David Leedy HTML +More From: Ken Mosher To: Discussion of aroids Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 3:00 PM Subject: [Aroid-l] Pinellia from seeds My Pinellias have been dropping seeds all over for many weeks. If I collect it is it important to plant it while they're still surrounded by the fleshy berry or can I wait until I've collected for a few weeks even though most of them will have dried by then? Thanks, Ken _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l ---334495122-408608503-1377545999=:76936-- --============== 68712144232677030==

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