Off-topic: examples of botanical nomenclature

From: "Eduardo" <eduardo.goncalves at inhotim.org.br> on 2010.10.01 at 18:56:20(21521) Dear Steve, I have no clue on the first case, but my guess in the second case is not off-topic at all... Try Caladium bicolor. I know that there are a few plants that were considered C. bicolor in the past (as C. picturatum, C.smaradignum and C. steudneriifolium) that are now considered good species but if you include described varieties (that are not accepted by no one I know) and also older names, I think there are more than 60 synonyms!!!! Very best wishes, Eduardo. +More INHOTIM Dr. EDUARDO G. GONÇALVES Curador Botânico e Paisagista Jardim Botânico Rua B, 20 35460-000 | Brumadinho | MG | Brasil +55 31 3571.6638 Ramal Fixo 107 +55 31 9604.8618 Ramal 380 Rua Antônio de Albuquerque, 215 | Funcionários 30112-010 | Belo Horizonte | MG | Brasil +55 31 3223.8224 Antes de imprimir, pense em sua responsabilidade com o Meio Ambiente. -----Mensagem original----- De: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com] Em nome de Steve Marak Enviada em: sexta-feira, 1 de outubro de 2010 13:12 Para: Aroid list Assunto: [Aroid-l] Off-topic: examples of botanical nomenclature Aroiders, This appeal for help is somewhat off-topic, so please excuse it (and delete it, if you're not interested). I'm looking for examples of a couple of things in the area of botanical nomenclature, and I can think of no better group to ask than the people on this list. The first is the most complex example of a valid (and preferably, currently accepted) name, of any plant (i.e., not restricted to aroids), whether that complexity comes from ranks below species or multiple authorities or both. One of the best ones I have now is: Paphiopedilum barbigerum Tang & Wang var. coccineum (Perner & Herrm.) Cavestro which conveniently (for me) even has a synonym, but I'm looking for something even more complex, if it exists. Knowing the publication would be nice, too, but is not essential for what I'm after. (Examples of similar complexity to the above but using other ranks - subsp., f., etc. - would also be appreciated.) The second question is what plant, again regardless of family, has the most synonyms? I'm aware of one poor orchid with, if I counted correctly, 55, but I suspect there are plants even more confused about their identities out there. For my purposes I'm concerned only with whether the name now appears as a synonym of the currently accepted name and not so much how it got there (i.e., whether it was validly published and later reduced to synonomy, nom. illeg., etc). I realize that whatever the answer is, it can change, but again that's not a concern for me at the moment. All help or pointers to good places to find the answer myself will be appreciated. I've spent plenty of time on Tropicos, IPNI, etc., but my oddball questions are not easily answered with those tools - or perhaps I just don't know how to ask them. Steve -- Steve Marak -- samarak@gizmoworks.com _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "Marek Argent" <abri1973 at wp.pl> on 2010.10.02 at 00:12:44(21526) Dear Eduardo, You reminded me of one Caladium in my pages. I don't remember who identified it, but it was identified as Caladium clavatum adding that the species is not described yet, but it was to be published in Aroideana. http://www.wschowa.com/abrimaal/araceum/caladium/clavatum.htm Is this name officially accepted? I can't find it in databases. Best, Marek +More ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eduardo" To: "'Discussion of aroids'" ; "'Aroid list'" Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 8:56 PM Subject: [Aroid-l] RES: Off-topic: examples of botanical nomenclature Dear Steve, I have no clue on the first case, but my guess in the second case is not off-topic at all... Try Caladium bicolor. I know that there are a few plants that were considered C. bicolor in the past (as C. picturatum, C.smaradignum and C. steudneriifolium) that are now considered good species but if you include described varieties (that are not accepted by no one I know) and also older names, I think there are more than 60 synonyms!!!! Very best wishes, Eduardo. INHOTIM Dr. EDUARDO G. GONÇALVES Curador Botânico e Paisagista Jardim Botânico Rua B, 20 35460-000 | Brumadinho | MG | Brasil +55 31 3571.6638 Ramal Fixo 107 +55 31 9604.8618 Ramal 380 Rua Antônio de Albuquerque, 215 | Funcionários 30112-010 | Belo Horizonte | MG | Brasil +55 31 3223.8224 Antes de imprimir, pense em sua responsabilidade com o Meio Ambiente. -----Mensagem original----- De: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com] Em nome de Steve Marak Enviada em: sexta-feira, 1 de outubro de 2010 13:12 Para: Aroid list Assunto: [Aroid-l] Off-topic: examples of botanical nomenclature Aroiders, This appeal for help is somewhat off-topic, so please excuse it (and delete it, if you're not interested). I'm looking for examples of a couple of things in the area of botanical nomenclature, and I can think of no better group to ask than the people on this list. The first is the most complex example of a valid (and preferably, currently accepted) name, of any plant (i.e., not restricted to aroids), whether that complexity comes from ranks below species or multiple authorities or both. One of the best ones I have now is: Paphiopedilum barbigerum Tang & Wang var. coccineum (Perner & Herrm.) Cavestro which conveniently (for me) even has a synonym, but I'm looking for something even more complex, if it exists. Knowing the publication would be nice, too, but is not essential for what I'm after. (Examples of similar complexity to the above but using other ranks - subsp., f., etc. - would also be appreciated.) The second question is what plant, again regardless of family, has the most synonyms? I'm aware of one poor orchid with, if I counted correctly, 55, but I suspect there are plants even more confused about their identities out there. For my purposes I'm concerned only with whether the name now appears as a synonym of the currently accepted name and not so much how it got there (i.e., whether it was validly published and later reduced to synonomy, nom. illeg., etc). I realize that whatever the answer is, it can change, but again that's not a concern for me at the moment. All help or pointers to good places to find the answer myself will be appreciated. I've spent plenty of time on Tropicos, IPNI, etc., but my oddball questions are not easily answered with those tools - or perhaps I just don't know how to ask them. Steve -- Steve Marak -- samarak@gizmoworks.com _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Nie znaleziono virusa w tej wiadomosci przychodzacej. Sprawdzone przez AVG - www.avg.com Wersja: 8.5.445 / Baza danych wirusów: 271.1.1/3169 - Data wydania: 09/30 /10 18:34:00 _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

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