Are these seeds? Anthurium scandens

From: "Marek Argent" <abri1973 at wp.pl> on 2010.07.22 at 20:46:02(21229) Hello, My Anthurium scandens var. latifolium blooms all the time and produces self-pollinated fruits. I always thought that they were empty inside until I checked yesterday. In each of them I found something small sticking to the inner fruit wall, one per each fruit. Are they parietal seeds? If yes are they mature? The scale is in mm. They are also visible in the inflorescence photo. Best, Marek Argent HTML +More ------=_NextPart_001_006B_01CB29EF.A94E3AB0-- ------=_NextPart_000_006A_01CB29EF.A94E13A0

From: "Tom Croat" <Thomas.Croat at mobot.org> on 2010.07.22 at 22:03:47(21230) Dear Marek: Anthurium scandens regularly sets seeds on its own without pollination so yes, those are surely good, viable seeds. Where did you come up with the name var. latifolium and how does it differ from var. scandens? Tom HTML +More From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Marek Argent Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 3:46 PM To: discussion of aroids Subject: [Aroid-l] Are these seeds? Anthurium scandens Hello, My Anthurium scandens var. latifolium blooms all the time and produces self-pollinated fruits. I always thought that they were empty inside until I checked yesterday. In each of them I found something small sticking to the inner fruit wall, one per each fruit. Are they parietal seeds? If yes are they mature? The scale is in mm. They are also visible in the inflorescence photo. Best, Marek Argent ------_=_NextPart_001_01CB29E9.C23877D4-- --==============…64431658194148744=

From: "Betsy Feuerstein" <ecuador10 at comcast.net> on 2010.07.23 at 01:22:46(21234) Known as seeds……. From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com HTML +More [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Marek Argent Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 3:46 PM To: discussion of aroids Subject: [Aroid-l] Are these seeds? Anthurium scandens Hello, My Anthurium scandens var. latifolium blooms all the time and produces self-pollinated fruits. I always thought that they were empty inside until I checked yesterday. In each of them I found something small sticking to the inner fruit wall, one per each fruit. Are they parietal seeds? If yes are they mature? The scale is in mm. They are also visible in the inflorescence photo. Best, Marek Argent ------=_NextPart_000_0233_01CB29DB.A60CBB60-- --==============#80756868204134961=

From: "Marek Argent" <abri1973 at wp.pl> on 2010.07.23 at 19:18:02(21241) Dear Tom, The leaf blades of var. latifolium are 5.5x4 - 8x5.5 cm http://www.wschowa.com/abrimaal/araceum/anthurium/scandenslatif.htm I got it from the Botanic Garden in Wroclaw, Poland http://www.biol.uni.wroc.pl/obuwr/kols/strony/antsce.html For comparison here is the typical A. scandens (var. scandens - sometimes added) This is not my plant, so I can't tell anything about its measurements. http://www.wschowa.com/abrimaal/araceum/anthurium/scandens.htm Marek HTML +More ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Croat To: Discussion of aroids Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 12:03 AM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Are these seeds? Anthurium scandens Dear Marek: Anthurium scandens regularly sets seeds on its own without pollination so yes, those are surely good, viable seeds. Where did you come up with the name var. latifolium and how does it differ from var. scandens? Tom From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Marek Argent Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 3:46 PM To: discussion of aroids Subject: [Aroid-l] Are these seeds? Anthurium scandens Hello, My Anthurium scandens var. latifolium blooms all the time and produces self-pollinated fruits. I always thought that they were empty inside until I checked yesterday. In each of them I found something small sticking to the inner fruit wall, one per each fruit. Are they parietal seeds? If yes are they mature? The scale is in mm. They are also visible in the inflorescence photo. Best, Marek Argent _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l Nie znaleziono virusa w tej wiadomo¶ci przychodz±cej. Sprawdzone przez AVG - www.avg.com Wersja: 8.5.441 / Baza danych wirusów: 271.1.1/3020 - Data wydania: 07/21/10 18:36:00 ------=_NextPart_000_004D_01CB2AAC.88A976E0-- --==============w30679403633065271=

From: ExoticRainforest <Steve at ExoticRainforest.com> on 2010.07.23 at 19:36:35(21243) Marek, I think Tom was referring to the apparent fact the name is no longer accepted. Check this link: href="http://apps.kew.org/wcsp/namedetail.do?accepted_id673&repSynonym_id=-9998&name_id670&statusúlse">http://apps.kew.org/wcsp/namedetail.do?accepted_id673&repSynonym_id=-9998&name_id670&statusúlse Steve HTML +More On 7/23/2010 02:18, Marek Argent wrote: Dear Tom, The leaf blades of var. latifolium are 5.5x4 - 8x5.5 cm href="http://www.wschowa.com/abrimaal/araceum/anthurium/scandenslatif.htm">http://www.wschowa.com/abrimaal/araceum/anthurium/scandenslatif.htm I got it from the Botanic Garden in Wroclaw, Poland href="http://www.biol.uni.wroc.pl/obuwr/kols/strony/antsce.html">http://www.biol.uni.wroc.pl/obuwr/kols/strony/antsce.html For comparison here is the typical A. scandens (var. scandens - sometimes added) This is not my plant, so I can't tell anything about its measurements. href="http://www.wschowa.com/abrimaal/araceum/anthurium/scandens.htm">http://www.wschowa.com/abrimaal/araceum/anthurium/scandens.htm Marek ----- Original Message ----- From: href="mailto:Thomas.Croat@mobot.org">Tom Croat To: href="mailto:aroid-l@www.gizmoworks.com">Discussion of aroids Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 12:03 AM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Are these seeds? Anthurium scandens Dear Marek: Anthurium scandens regularly sets seeds on its own without pollination so yes, those are surely good, viable seeds. Where did you come up with the name var. latifolium and how does it differ from var. scandens? Tom From: moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com">aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Marek Argent Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 3:46 PM To: discussion of aroids Subject: [Aroid-l] Are these seeds? Anthurium scandens Hello, My Anthurium scandens var. latifolium blooms all the time and produces self-pollinated fruits. I always thought that they were empty inside until I checked yesterday. In each of them I found something small sticking to the inner fruit wall, one per each fruit. Are they parietal seeds? If yes are they mature? The scale is in mm. They are also visible in the inflorescence photo. Best, Marek Argent _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l Nie znaleziono virusa w tej wiadomo ¶ci przychodz ±cej. Sprawdzone przez AVG - www.avg.com Wersja: 8.5.441 / Baza danych wirusów: 271.1.1/3020 - Data wydania: 07/21/10 18:36:00 _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l --------------040306060704070708050500

From: "Marek Argent" <abri1973 at wp.pl> on 2010.07.24 at 22:11:23(21247) Dear Steve, We are in the same situation as with Philodendron hederaceum and its varieties (micans, miduhoi). They are not accepted by ones and accepted by others: http://www.tropicos.org/Name/2104877 (accepted) http://www.ipni.org/ipni/idPlantNameSearch.do?id=15674-2&back_page=%2Fipni%2FeditAdvPlantNameSearch.do%3Ffind_infragenus%3D%26find_isAPNIRecord%3Dtrue%26find_geoUnit%3D%26find_includePublicationAuthors%3Dtrue%26find_addedSince%3D%26find_family%3DAraceae%26find_genus%3DAnthurium%26find_sortByFamily%3Dtrue%26find_isGCIRecord%3Dtrue%26find_infrafamily%3D%26find_rankToReturn%3Dall%26find_publicationTitle%3D%26find_authorAbbrev%3D%26find_infraspecies%3Dlatifolium%26find_includeBasionymAuthors%3Dtrue%26find_modifiedSince%3D%26find_isIKRecord%3Dtrue%26find_species%3Dscandens%26output_format%3Dnormal (accepted) http://www.cate-araceae.org/taxon/5c9c2583-6bfb-1014-a918-dc439151c9e5/relationsToThisTaxon?view=966728f0-ae51-11dd-ad8b-0800200c9a66 (not listed) http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/taxon.pl?3617 (not listed) Marek HTML +More ----- Original Message ----- From: ExoticRainforest To: Discussion of aroids Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 9:36 PM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Are these seeds? Anthurium scandens Marek, I think Tom was referring to the apparent fact the name is no longer accepted. Check this link: http://apps.kew.org/wcsp/namedetail.do?accepted_id=11673&repSynonym_id=-9998&name_id=11670&status=false Steve On 7/23/2010 02:18, Marek Argent wrote: Dear Tom, The leaf blades of var. latifolium are 5.5x4 - 8x5.5 cm http://www.wschowa.com/abrimaal/araceum/anthurium/scandenslatif.htm I got it from the Botanic Garden in Wroclaw, Poland http://www.biol.uni.wroc.pl/obuwr/kols/strony/antsce.html For comparison here is the typical A. scandens (var. scandens - sometimes added) This is not my plant, so I can't tell anything about its measurements. http://www.wschowa.com/abrimaal/araceum/anthurium/scandens.htm Marek ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Croat To: Discussion of aroids Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 12:03 AM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Are these seeds? Anthurium scandens Dear Marek: Anthurium scandens regularly sets seeds on its own without pollination so yes, those are surely good, viable seeds. Where did you come up with the name var. latifolium and how does it differ from var. scandens? Tom From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Marek Argent Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 3:46 PM To: discussion of aroids Subject: [Aroid-l] Are these seeds? Anthurium scandens Hello, My Anthurium scandens var. latifolium blooms all the time and produces self-pollinated fruits. I always thought that they were empty inside until I checked yesterday. In each of them I found something small sticking to the inner fruit wall, one per each fruit. Are they parietal seeds? If yes are they mature? The scale is in mm. They are also visible in the inflorescence photo. Best, Marek Argent _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l Nie znaleziono virusa w tej wiadomo¶ci przychodz±cej. Sprawdzone przez AVG - www.avg.com Wersja: 8.5.441 / Baza danych wirusów: 271.1.1/3020 - Data wydania: 07/21/10 18:36:00 _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l Nie znaleziono virusa w tej wiadomosci przychodzacej. Sprawdzone przez AVG - www.avg.com Wersja: 8.5.441 / Baza danych wirusów: 271.1.1/3024 - Data wydania: 07/23/10 18:36:00 ------=_NextPart_000_00C7_01CB2B8D.EA56A0C0-- --==============140314193207570902=

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