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  Piptospatha
From: dbiggs at xantusidesign.net on 2009.12.29 at 08:15:15(20415)
I think I'm in love!

Does anybody have any experience with any Piptospatha species?

Are there any US sources for them at all. I have looked around some, but
found nothing. I wonder if they are difficult to grow(?).

Cheers and thanks,

Devin Biggs

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From: Peter Boyce <phymatarum at googlemail.com> on 2009.12.29 at 09:44:55(20416)
Hi Devin,

Good news and bad news. Piptospatha species are easy to grow in a
well-drained but constantly wet medium. We have six species in cultivation
here in Sarawak: elongata, grabowskii, impolita, ridleyi, perakensis &
viridistigma. We grow them in shallow clay plans and cut-down perforated
water-lily baskets, with a mineral-soil sand mix (1:3) and a
moss-and-perlite (1-1) mix with equal ease. They require constant humidity,
medium shade (75% of our natural light) and a minimum temperature of 20C
nighttime rising to a max of 36C day time.

The bad news is that virtually all species except P. ridleyi are not in
commercial cultivation. When I was living in the UK P. ridleyi occasionally
turned up (unnamed) in aquarist shops. It is immediately recognizable by the
leaves splashed pale green on a dark green background.

Very best

Peter

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From: "Abrimaal" <abrimaal at wp.pl> on 2009.12.29 at 18:59:42(20419)
Dear Devin,

I had P. ridleyi two times, and never successfully.
I bought them as aquarium plants, but in aquarium they lived only a few
weeks.

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From: raymomattla at cs.com on 2009.12.31 at 02:16:35(20422)
I grew Piptospatha ridleyi a few years back. Homes brought it to one of the IAS sales.
It slowly declined over a period of about a year. I may have been keeping it too wet (growing in soil,) as it rotted so I couldnt help with cultivation hints. Beautiful little plants though.

Thanks,

HTML

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From: dbiggs at xantusidesign.net on 2009.12.31 at 21:56:28(20424)
Thanks very much for these remarks on Piptospatha.

I imagine that a riparium kind of setup could be a very good way to grow
these plants. The cultivation of emersed Cryptocoryne and Lagenandra is
gaining ground here in the US and I suspect that those hobbyists might be
interested in Piptospatha too. It seems that they should respond well to
shallow water cultivation as is used for those groups of plants. One of
the Google image results that I found showed a Piptospatha growing right
alongside some crypts in a forest stream in Indonesia. Wouldn't it be cool
to setup a riparium or paludarium like that?

I wonder if there might be any hope of importing some material(?). Can
anybody suggest any contacts who might be able to acquire some and
export/import to the US? I am intrigued by this idea.

Cheers,

Devin

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From: dbiggs at xantusidesign.net on 2010.01.12 at 20:18:16(20465)
Well I have been in touch with a fish store owner in San Francisco who
imports live material form SE Asia with some regularity. I have not yet
asked him where the exporter that he works with is located, although I
imagine that they probably operate from Singapore, Thailand or Hong Kong.

I hope that there might be a chance to acquire some Piptospatha,
Bucephalandra or rheophytic Schismatoglottis. He said that would inquire
about them. I understand that these plants often grow in association with
Cryptocoryne in the wild, so the exporter or his suppliers might be able
to find them while out looking for other material.

Cheers,

Devin

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From: Peter Boyce <phymatarum at googlemail.com> on 2010.01.14 at 06:07:16(20468)
Devin,

One thing I must alert you to is that any plants collected from the wild in
this manner and then directly or indirectly sold are collected in
contravention to the law anywhere in SE Asia.

Due to their illegal origins, such plants will also be exported from their
country of origin without permits and thus the export will be illegal, AND
because of this their importation in North America, much of Europe, and
Australia will also be in contravention of local laws.

Very best

Peter

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From: dbiggs at xantusidesign.net on 2010.01.16 at 05:05:59(20480)
Peter,

Thanks very much for this caution. I would have assumed that this seller
would be importing material with all of the necessary documentation, but
perhaps that is assuming too much. I certainly don't want to receive any
contraband plants. I did think it unusual that he was offering
wild-collected crypts for sale, which I had never heard of before.

I hope that there might be some sources for cultivated (and legal) plants
among those ones that I am interested in. I will ask that one seller about
his paperwork, and try to turn up some other leads. Thanks again.

Cheers,

Devin

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From: Peter Boyce <phymatarum at googlemail.com> on 2010.01.18 at 00:08:35(20487)
Hi Devin,

I am guessing you are based in North America, I'm not aware of anyone there
propagating Cryps and other aquatic/amphibious aroids. There are several
tissue culture places in Europe, in the main Denmark and I believe The
Netherlands too, that are doing so. Perhaps check Jan (Basjmeijer's) Crypts
Pages.

There is a large and wholly illegal commercial market for wild-collected
Cryps in SE Asia. The Malaysian Govt. Is in particular monitoring and where
it can find evidence is pursuing prosecution.

Very besr

Pete

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From: dbiggs at xantusidesign.net on 2010.01.20 at 07:43:38(20500)
**I aplogize for this double-post--I used an incorrect subject line for my
last response.**

Peter,

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From: dbiggs at xantusidesign.net on 2010.01.27 at 19:55:59(20518)
Peter, and anybody else who might have an opinion.

I have a quick ID question for a Schismatoglottis that I acquired some
time ago. Here is a picture of the plant.

http://hydrophytesblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/schismatoglottis-sp-4-vi-09-i-b.jpg

Does anyone have any ideas? I don't quite remember how I got to it, but
one possibility that surfaced was S. neoguineensis. I really like these
plants and I hope to find more. I have wondered if the variety being
offered by Asiatica Nursery, 'Frosty Kiss', might be the same thing as my
plant(?).

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From: Peter Boyce <phymatarum at googlemail.com> on 2010.01.28 at 06:22:05(20519)
Hi Devin,

Your Schismat. Is S. calyptrata sensu lato, which based on the last revision
(Hay & Yuzammi, Telopea 9., 2000) includes S. neoguineensis and a great
number of other names.

Frosty Kiss is Schismatoglottis pusilla Engl., a species restricted the
Philippines. It has been in tc in Thailand for a couple of years and in
various private collections for many years (Josef Bogner has the a similar
or identical clone and has had it since at least since the mid-80s. It is
not a Thai native.

Very best

Peter

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From: dbiggs at xantusidesign.net on 2010.01.28 at 21:56:15(20522)
Peter,

Thanks very much for those determinations. I will work on acquiring that
'Frosty Kiss'. It will have to wait a while for our weather to warm a bit.
It is still very cold here for shipping plants.

Cheers,

Devin

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