Alocasia Amazonica versus Alocasia Polly

From: ExoticRainforest <Steve at ExoticRainforest.com> on 2009.11.17 at 17:20:17(20317) I need good photos of the plant soldas Alocasia Polly. Not anything with a tag that says AlocasiaAmazonica but specifically Alocasia Polly. I think we're closer tofiguring this out. Andréappears to have written in 1891 in Review Hortic about anan Alocasia hybrid between Alocasia sanderiana and Alocasialowii. Alocasia lowii is now correctly Alocasialongiloba. Those parents were later ascribed to AlocasiaAmazonica in error since the parents of that plant are Alocasiasanderiana x Alocasia watsoniana. As far as I can tell Andréreferred to the plant as "mortefontanensis". It is beginning to look like André's mortefontanensis had the sameparents as the plant sold as Alocasia Polly. If that is true thenAndré's plant is not the same hybrid as Salvadore Mauro'splant bred at his Amazon Nursery in Miami. That would lead me tobelieve that Alocasia Polly and Alocasia Amazonica should not beconfused as the same plant. It also appears some unidentified researcher elected to call André'smortefontanensis Alocasia x amazonica due to the popularity of thehybrid plant with growers when in fact it should still be calledAlocasia x mortefontanensis or something on that order. It makes no sense for a well known European hybrid which I have nowbeen told has been grown since the late 1800's or early 1900's to becalled Alocasia xamazonica when the reason for the use of the name "Amazonica" isobvious due to the name of Salvadore Mauro's nursery. Steve HTML +More www.ExoticRainforest.com --------------000206010605090807080001

From: "John Criswick" <criswick at spiceisle.com> on 2009.11.18 at 22:18:38(20331) Dear Steve, I think youwill find Polly’s picture on AgriStarts website. They grow a widevariety of Alocasias. John. HTML +More From: aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com[mailto:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com] OnBehalf Of ExoticRainforest Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 20091:20 PM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: [Aroid-l] AlocasiaAmazonica versus Alocasia Polly I need good photos of the plant sold as Alocasia Polly. Notanything with a tag that says Alocasia Amazonica but specifically AlocasiaPolly. I think we're closer to figuring this out. André appears to havewritten in 1891 in Review Hortic about an an Alocasia hybrid between Alocasia sanderiana and Alocasia lowii. Alocasia lowii is now correctly Alocasia longiloba. Those parentswere later ascribed to Alocasia Amazonica in error since the parents of thatplant are Alocasia sanderiana x Alocasia watsoniana. As far as I cantell André referred to the plant as "mortefontanensis". It is beginning to look like André's mortefontanensis had the same parents asthe plant sold as Alocasia Polly. If that is true then André's plant is not thesame hybrid as Salvadore Mauro's plant bred at his Amazon Nursery in Miami. That would lead meto believe that Alocasia Polly and Alocasia Amazonica should not be confused asthe same plant. It also appears some unidentified researcher elected to call André's mortefontanensisAlocasia x amazonica due to the popularity of the hybrid plant with growerswhen in fact it should still be called Alocasia x mortefontanensis or somethingon that order. It makes no sense for a well known European hybrid which I have now been toldhas been grown since the late 1800's or early 1900's to be called Alocasia xamazonica when the reason for the use of the name "Amazonica" isobvious due to the name of Salvadore Mauro's nursery. Steve www.ExoticRainforest.com ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01CA687B.8DF88120----==============H77754312549261601=

From: ExoticRainforest <Steve at ExoticRainforest.com> on 2009.11.19 at 23:11:45(20336) Thanks John. I got a good one fromMarek. Steve HTML +More John Criswick wrote: DearSteve, I think youwill find Polly’s picture on AgriStarts website. They grow a widevariety of Alocasias. John. --------------080002070500010109010401

From: "Abrimaal" <abrimaal at wp.pl> on 2009.11.20 at 03:40:17(20341) John, This is not a scientific site, just look how many errors are there in names. Many of them named as cultivars have been described as species. http://www.agristarts.com/alocasia_main.htm Marek HTML +More ----- Original Message ----- From: John Criswick To: 'Discussion of aroids' Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 11:18 PM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Alocasia Amazonica versus Alocasia Polly Dear Steve, I think you will find Polly’s picture on AgriStarts website. They grow a wide variety of Alocasias. John. From: aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of ExoticRainforest Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 1:20 PM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: [Aroid-l] Alocasia Amazonica versus Alocasia Polly I need good photos of the plant sold as Alocasia Polly. Not anything with a tag that says Alocasia Amazonica but specifically Alocasia Polly. I think we're closer to figuring this out. André appears to have written in 1891 in Review Hortic about an an Alocasia hybrid between Alocasia sanderiana and Alocasia lowii. Alocasia lowii is now correctly Alocasia longiloba. Those parents were later ascribed to Alocasia Amazonica in error since the parents of that plant are Alocasia sanderiana x Alocasia watsoniana. As far as I can tell André referred to the plant as "mortefontanensis". It is beginning to look like André's mortefontanensis had the same parents as the plant sold as Alocasia Polly. If that is true then André's plant is not the same hybrid as Salvadore Mauro's plant bred at his Amazon Nursery in Miami. That would lead me to believe that Alocasia Polly and Alocasia Amazonica should not be confused as the same plant. It also appears some unidentified researcher elected to call André's mortefontanensis Alocasia x amazonica due to the popularity of the hybrid plant with growers when in fact it should still be called Alocasia x mortefontanensis or something on that order. It makes no sense for a well known European hybrid which I have now been told has been grown since the late 1800's or early 1900's to be called Alocasia x amazonica when the reason for the use of the name "Amazonica" is obvious due to the name of Salvadore Mauro's nursery. Steve www.ExoticRainforest.com _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l Nie znaleziono virusa w tej wiadomosci przychodzacej. Sprawdzone przez AVG - www.avg.com Wersja: 8.5.425 / Baza danych wirusów: 270.14.71/2510 - Data wydania: 11/17/09 19:26:00 ------=_NextPart_000_029D_01CA699B.8EFF16D0----==============90380374755410688=

From: "John Criswick" <criswick at spiceisle.com> on 2009.11.20 at 12:43:12(20343) I hope I never saidanything to suggest that it is a scientific site. However, what they aregrowing as ‘Polly’ is very likely to be the plant that occurred inDenis Rotelante’s nursery and which he named Polly. He is wellacquainted with the owners of AgrisStarts and it would not surprise me to knowthat they obtained the germplasm from him for their tissue culture laboratory. Denis will no doubt tell me if I’m wrong. John. HTML +More From: aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com[mailto:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com] OnBehalf Of Abrimaal Sent: Thursday, November 19, 200911:40 PM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] AlocasiaAmazonica versus Alocasia Polly John, This is not a scientific site, justlook how many errors are there in names. Many of them named ascultivars have been described as species. http://www.agristarts.com/alocasia_main.htm Marek ----- Original Message ----- From: JohnCriswick To: 'Discussion of aroids' Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 11:18 PM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Alocasia Amazonica versus Alocasia Polly Dear Steve, I think you will find Polly’s picture on AgriStarts website. Theygrow a wide variety of Alocasias. John. From: aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com[mailto:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com] OnBehalf Of ExoticRainforest Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 20091:20 PM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: [Aroid-l] AlocasiaAmazonica versus Alocasia Polly I need good photos of the plant sold as Alocasia Polly. Notanything with a tag that says Alocasia Amazonica but specifically AlocasiaPolly. I think we're closer to figuring this out. André appears to havewritten in 1891 in Review Hortic about an an Alocasia hybrid between Alocasia sanderiana and Alocasia lowii. Alocasia lowii is now correctly Alocasia longiloba. Those parentswere later ascribed to Alocasia Amazonica in error since the parents of thatplant are Alocasia sanderiana x Alocasia watsoniana. As far as I cantell André referred to the plant as "mortefontanensis". It is beginning to look like André's mortefontanensis had the same parents asthe plant sold as Alocasia Polly. If that is true then André's plant is not thesame hybrid as Salvadore Mauro's plant bred at his Amazon Nursery in Miami. That would lead meto believe that Alocasia Polly and Alocasia Amazonica should not be confused asthe same plant. It also appears some unidentified researcher elected to call André'smortefontanensis Alocasia x amazonica due to the popularity of the hybrid plantwith growers when in fact it should still be called Alocasia x mortefontanensisor something on that order. It makes no sense for a well known European hybrid which I have now been told hasbeen grown since the late 1800's or early 1900's to be called Alocasia xamazonica when the reason for the use of the name "Amazonica" isobvious due to the name of Salvadore Mauro's nursery. Steve www.ExoticRainforest.com _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l Nie znaleziono virusa w tej wiadomosci przychodzacej. Sprawdzone przez AVG - www.avg.com Wersja: 8.5.425 / Baza danych wirusów: 270.14.71/2510 - Data wydania: 11/17/0919:26:00 ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01CA69BD.8092A4F0----==============ˆ62285833927235030=

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