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not-so-variegated Alocasia micholitziana variegata
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From: Lester Kallus <lkallus at earthlink.net> on 1997.11.20 at 00:25:30(1639)
I have (or perhaps should say "had") a variegated Alocasia micholitiziana
"Frydek". It came with one macerated leaf and an active growing tip. The
next 3 leaves were nicely variegated and the plant continued to grow quite
well.
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The last leaf to come out was solid green with some very faint lighter
green discolorations. A new leaf now is also nearly totally green with
little if any variegation.
Do these plants revert? Have I spent a near fortune for a plant that I
already had? Is there anything I can do to increase its variegation? The
light level had actually increased when the variegation began to decrease.
It was outdoors at the time and night temperatures were dropping into the
low 50s. It's now indoors and the light level has consequently dropped but
the temperature has increased.
Les
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From: hermine <hermine at endangeredspecies.com> on 1997.11.20 at 05:26:11(1640)
At 06:25 PM 11/19/97 -0600, Lester Kallus wrote:
>I have (or perhaps should say "had") a variegated Alocasia micholitiziana
>"Frydek". It came with one macerated leaf and an active growing tip. The
>next 3 leaves were nicely variegated and the plant continued to grow quite
>well.
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>The last leaf to come out was solid green with some very faint lighter
>green discolorations. A new leaf now is also nearly totally green with
>little if any variegation.
Time to get out the knife and terminate the green with extreme prejudice. i
hope there is enough variegated plant to support growth. after the surgery
i would supply the beauty with ICU conditions.
hermine
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a variegated woman
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From: sean & madeline sims <smsims at connectnet.com> on 1997.11.21 at 05:59:01(1642)
Lester Kallus wrote:
> I have (or perhaps should say "had") a variegated Alocasia micholitiziana
> "Frydek". It came with one macerated leaf and an active growing tip. The
> next 3 leaves were nicely variegated and the plant continued to grow quite
> well.
>
> The last leaf to come out was solid green with some very faint lighter
> green discolorations. A new leaf now is also nearly totally green with
> little if any variegation.
>
> Do these plants revert? Have I spent a near fortune for a plant that I
> already had? Is there anything I can do to increase its variegation? The
> light level had actually increased when the variegation began to decrease.
> It was outdoors at the time and night temperatures were dropping into the
> low 50s. It's now indoors and the light level has consequently dropped but
> the temperature has increased.
> Les
Les:
I have numerous variegeted Alocasia Gageanas' in which a few of the offspring
have lost their variegation. A nursery horticulturalist told me that the
variegetion is acually a mutation of the species and it is impossible to
maintain full control over the levels of variegation present in a particular
plant. Several of my offspring have had 100% variegated leaves, which soon die
because of lack of chlorophyll. But a majority of them appear as miniatures of
the parent plants, which are evenly distributed for the most part. I say give
it some time and keep the light levels at a constant and just wait it out.
Nature will take it's course either way. Let me know how it comes along.
Sean Sims
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Encinitas, CA
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From: "Julius Boos" <ju-bo at classic.msn.com> on 1997.11.21 at 06:06:42(1643)
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Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 1997 7:25 PM
To: ju-bo@msn.com
Subject: not-so-variegated Alocasia micholitziana variegata
I have (or perhaps should say "had") a variegated Alocasia micholitiziana
"Frydek". It came with one macerated leaf and an active growing tip. The
next 3 leaves were nicely variegated and the plant continued to grow quite
well.
The last leaf to come out was solid green with some very faint lighter
green discolorations. A new leaf now is also nearly totally green with
little if any variegation.
Do these plants revert? Have I spent a near fortune for a plant that I
already had? Is there anything I can do to increase its variegation? The
light level had actually increased when the variegation began to decrease.
It was outdoors at the time and night temperatures were dropping into the
low 50s. It's now indoors and the light level has consequently dropped but
the temperature has increased.
Les
Dear Les,
I have seen variegated Alocasias put out all-green leaves, then start to
produce the variegated or part variegated leaves after an interval. I have
also noticed that larger plants seem to produce less variegated leaves than
the immature and smaller plants.
Do any other growers out there notice this "trend"?
Good luck.
Julius
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ju-bo@msn.com
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From: Lester Kallus <lkallus at earthlink.net> on 1997.11.22 at 03:34:34(1644)
Do offsets of those larger plants begin to put out variegated leaves again?
Les
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>Dear Les,
>I have seen variegated Alocasias put out all-green leaves, then start to
>produce the variegated or part variegated leaves after an interval. I=
have
>also noticed that larger plants seem to produce less variegated leaves than=
>the immature and smaller plants.
>Do any other growers out there notice this "trend"?
>Good luck.
>Julius
>ju-bo@msn.com
>
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From: Rand Nicholson <writserv at nbnet.nb.ca> on 1997.11.22 at 03:41:53(1645)
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>From: aroid-l@mobot.org on behalf of Lester Kallus
>Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 1997 7:25 PM
>To: ju-bo@msn.com
>Subject: not-so-variegated Alocasia micholitziana variegata
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>I have (or perhaps should say "had") a variegated Alocasia micholitiziana
>"Frydek". It came with one macerated leaf and an active growing tip. The
>next 3 leaves were nicely variegated and the plant continued to grow quite
>well.
>
>The last leaf to come out was solid green with some very faint lighter
>green discolorations. A new leaf now is also nearly totally green with
>little if any variegation.
>
>Do these plants revert? Have I spent a near fortune for a plant that I
>already had? Is there anything I can do to increase its variegation? The
>light level had actually increased when the variegation began to decrease.
>It was outdoors at the time and night temperatures were dropping into the
>low 50s. It's now indoors and the light level has consequently dropped but
>the temperature has increased.
> Les
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>Dear Les,
>I have seen variegated Alocasias put out all-green leaves, then start to
>produce the variegated or part variegated leaves after an interval. I have
>also noticed that larger plants seem to produce less variegated leaves than
>the immature and smaller plants.
>Do any other growers out there notice this "trend"?
>Good luck.
>Julius
>ju-bo@msn.com
I have witnessed this phenomenon in other species and have noted that
cuttings from a variegated plant that has reverted to green sometimes
regain their variegation after they become established.
What is the explanation for this? Could it be a genetic thing that is
somehow "switched" back on by the trauma of the propagation method?
Kind Regards,
Rand
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Rand Nicholson
New Brunswick
Maritime Canada, Z 5b
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From: Clarence Hester <hesterc at niven.acpub.duke.edu> on 1997.11.22 at 03:47:48(1646)
Lester Kallus wrote:
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> I have (or perhaps should say "had") a variegated Alocasia micholitiziana
> "Frydek". It came with one macerated leaf and an active growing tip. The
> next 3 leaves were nicely variegated and the plant continued to grow quite
> well.
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> The last leaf to come out was solid green with some very faint lighter
> green discolorations. A new leaf now is also nearly totally green with
> little if any variegation.
>
> Do these plants revert?
I was told a few years ago by one of the guys at Glasshouse Works that
offspring of their varigated
Alocasia are only variegated approximatley 50% of the time. I do not
know if this represents
a reasonably true calculation, or just an armchair observation.
I have a sneaking suspicion that plants with unstable variegation may
lose their variegation as a response to some sort of stress, such as
colder-than-prefered temperatures, a significant change in
soil/light/fertilizer, etc. Anecdotally, I had a variegated banana ("Ae
Ae", Musa sp.) that was nicely variegated until I decided to move it
from a pot in a sheltered area to a sunny spot in the yard. The
variegation ceased and reverted totally to green shortly after this
transplant. The "good" news, if one could call it that, is that the
plant
appeared to become much more vigorous. As another example, I just moved
a variegated Colocasia/Alocasia (don't know the species) that I got from
Frank Galloway indoors to protect it from frost, etc. It has put out
a new leaf that is not only sans variegation, but also has a rather
deformed looking shape.
Bill Lessard suggests(ed) in his book on bananas (or was it just in a
conversation?) that increasing/decreasing varigation can be somewhat
controlled by pH level (acidity leads to loss of varigation in the Ae Ae
possibly, while more neutral pH leads to greater vareigation).
Maybe some plants that are so highly variable (e.g., Alocasias) are
extra-sensitive to any sort of shock. It would not appear to be total
random chance, since if this were the case, would one not expect the
plant to be equally likely to revert to total lack of chlorophyll (and
of course, this too happens on a "one leaf" basis, but I've never seen a
succcesion of more than one white leaf).
Clarence
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From: Lester Kallus <lkallus at earthlink.net> on 1997.11.22 at 18:14:18(1648)
Well the "good" news (perhaps) is that the most recent leaf to come out
just opened up today. It's pseudo-variegated as opposed to the last leaf.
The previous one (yes, it was cold at night at that time - mid 50s) was
solid green. This latest one grown indoors is variegated with a light
green against a dark green. If those who've suggested stress or getting
established are correct, then I'd like to think that the next leaf will be
a bit more variegated.
I've been working far too many hours to update my web pages with these
images. This next week, when my schedule lightens up a bit, I'll upload
some images of this not-so-variegated alocasia as well as the
occassional-tubers on Colocasias and last of all my assembly line of
caladium tuber preparation.
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Perhaps when some look at the not-so-variegation, you'll have some
suggestions.
Les
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From: "Julius Boos" <ju-bo at classic.msn.com> on 1997.11.22 at 18:18:30(1649)
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Sent: Friday, November 21, 1997 10:34 PM
To: ju-bo@msn.com
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Subject: Re: RE: not-so-variegated Alocasia micholitziana variegata
>>Do offsets of those larger plants begin to put out variegated leaves again?
Les<<
Les,
Yes, I believe so, as in Trinidad I used to come across specimens of the large
common Alocasia sp. around houses that had been planted there as a curiosity
due to their variegation. These were the ones where I observed the "wax and
wane" of the level of Variegation, and offshoots seemed to ALWAYS produce
variegated plants, so the strain has kept constant over MANY years with no
real efforts to keep it that way, except for the giving away to friends the
suckers of this curious and beautiful plant.
Cheers, Julius
ju-bo@msn.com
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>Dear Les,
>I have seen variegated Alocasias put out all-green leaves, then start to
>produce the variegated or part variegated leaves after an interval. I=
have
>also noticed that larger plants seem to produce less variegated leaves than=
>the immature and smaller plants.
>Do any other growers out there notice this "trend"?
>Good luck.
>Julius
>ju-bo@msn.com
>
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