I need information on Amorphophallus Paeonifolius

From: Don Martinson <LLmen at wi.rr.com> on 2008.10.25 at 15:08:24(18676) _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com +More http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l --==============G35762075460384148==--

From: Ken Mosher <ken at spatulacity.com> on 2008.10.25 at 17:27:03(18677) Hi Ty, You must bring your paeoniifolius indoors even though it's likely that you're already too late. Am. paeoniifolius do not like to be cold at all especially if the soil is damp. As for the two forms, there is "normal" paeoniifolius and there is the 'Gajendra' cultivar. Regarding your sp. Madagascar, my guess is that you may have bought them from Mike Massara who owns http://www.out-of-africa-plants.com/; I'm sorry I don't remember his ebay seller id. I have bought many excellent plants from him, but I agree that his response to emails is sometimes lacking. But to answer your question, in my opinion Mike is not the kind of person who rips people off. The height of an Amorphophallus is indicated by tuber size within a species (e.g. a big konjac tuber generally yields a tall plant) but you cannot make the same prediction across species. Furthermore, plant height is significantly affected by growing conditions. As one example, I grew 6 Tacca leontopetalloides plants this year and the tubers were close in size. 4 were grown in my greenhouse and 2 grew outdoors until the leaf(ves) were fully grown. The ones that got more light (outdoors) were 1/2 the height of those in the greenhouse. There was no need to grow a big, tall leaf in full sun, but when grown in less light they were encouraged to grow a much more impressive canopy. -Ken Mosher +More Ty York wrote: > This is my first year of growing them and mine have not shown any > signs of going dormant and we may get our first frost in a week. I was > wondering if I should bring them indoors or let the frost get them. > > Second question, I had someone tell me that there is 2 different > paeonifolius plants. A small variety 3-4 feet and a large variety that > gets 9 feet tall, does this sound right? I have searched to no end > and found nothing about 2 different ones. > > Third question: I bought 3 bulbs last year as a new variety of > amorphophallus stated to be sp. madagascar. No pics of the plant > were avalible or size etc. just sold as new discovery from madagascar > and 3 bulbs cost me 100.00. The plants were funny looking very > small plants even on the largest bulb 14oz only put up a foot tall > plant. No blooms. Have I been taken? I cannot find the seller again > and they would not answer emails after I bought them. Bought off ebay :(. > > > Thanks anyone for any help on this. Ty > > _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "E.Vincent Morano" <ironious2 at yahoo.com> on 2008.10.25 at 18:46:10(18678) In regards to the tubers from Madagascar, if memory servers me correctly the sellers name is "african-plants" and they are a very reputable seller. At least yours grew. Mine died. But I have seen these new tubers from other sources so you are probably safe. It would be better if you could post pictures of them. --- On Fri, 10/24/08, Ty York wrote: From: Ty York HTML +More Subject: [Aroid-l] I need information on Amorphophallus Paeonifolius -any experts out there? To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com Date: Friday, October 24, 2008, 5:34 PM This is my first year of growing them and mine have not shown any signs of going dormant and we may get our first frost in a week. I was wondering if I should bring them indoors or let the frost get them. Second question, I had someone tell me that there is 2 different paeonifolius plants. A small variety 3-4 feet and a large variety that gets 9 feet tall, does this sound right? I have searched to no end and found nothing about 2 different ones. Third question: I bought 3 bulbs last year as a new variety of amorphophallus stated to be sp. madagascar. No pics of the plant were avalible or size etc. just sold as new discovery from madagascar and 3 bulbs cost me 100.00. The plants were funny looking very small plants even on the largest bulb 14oz only put up a foot tall plant. No blooms. Have I been taken? I cannot find the seller again and they would not answer emails after I bought them. Bought off ebay :(. Thanks anyone for any help on this. Ty _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l --0-433979735-1224960370=:74309----=============='41954090602767254=

From: ronmchatton at aol.com on 2008.10.25 at 21:15:22(18679) Ty: It's best to do what you can to extend the growing season as long as you can. I would bring them in. Here in Central Florida they are ground and pot hardy but they tend to rot in Atlanta if they aren't brought in before it gets cold. Amorphophallus paeoniifolius is a very variable species. Some stay fairly short and some, especially the group called Borneo Giant, can reach 8-9 feet tall. The same is true of koratensis. They also very a great deal in the number of leaflets and the roughness of the petiole. I have a group raised from seed here in Florida that have virtually smooth petioles, some from China that are somewhat rougher and a group that have extremely rough petioles. The more light you give them, the smaller the leaf will be as well. Those corms that came in from Madagascar were, depending on the species, seriously infected with a fungal infection. Many of them simply rotted away and there were a couple of postings on aroid- about it. The others sprouted and, depending on how quickly or to the extent the corm was infected produced leaves from a few inches tall to up to about about 4 feet. The species from Kalenbenobo seemed the least damaged and many of the larger corms produced leaves a few feet tall. To my knowledge, the hildebrantii have all been lost to rot. Those from Nosy Faly and Nosy Mitsio vary in between. The Nosy Faly growths have all been larger than the other group. So, that having been said, I don't think you were had....these are interesting plants that weren't available anywhere else, but it will be some time before they are strong plants. Ron McHatton +More Central Florida Zone 9B -----Original Message----- From: Ty York To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com Sent: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 8:34 pm Subject: [Aroid-l] I need information on Amorphophallus Paeonifolius -any experts out there? This is my first year of growing them and mine have not shown any signs of going dormant and we may get our first frost in a week. I was wondering if I should bring them indoors or let the frost get them.  Second question, I had someone tell me that there is 2 different paeonifolius plants. A small variety 3-4 feet and a large variety that gets 9 feet tall, does this sound right? I have searched to no end and found nothing about 2 different ones.  Third question: I bought 3 bulbs last year as a new variety of amorphophallus stated to be sp. madagascar. No pics of the plant were avalible or size etc. just sold as new discovery from madagascar and 3 bulbs cost me 100.00. The plants were funny looking very small plants even on the largest bulb 14oz only put up a foot tall plant. No blooms. Have I been taken? I cannot find the seller again and they would not answer emails after I bought them. Bought off ebay :(.   Thanks anyone for any help on this. Ty _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: Susan B <honeybunny442 at yahoo.com> on 2008.10.26 at 03:12:57(18680) Very reputable seller, I've bought a few of their plants over the years, they used to have an extensive website before they started doing a lot of ebay sales, I believe they still have specimen plants on their website. Business is called Out of Africa. I too needed to get a better photo of a plant I bought from them, while it seems to be an Aroid (had a teeny little aroid like inforescence), it was definitely not an Amorph. I'll have to dig through the GH and see if I can find it. Regarding the two different paeoniifolius, I was cleaning out my inbox tonight and found your reference, Ron McHatton answered a paeon. question, said both paeon and some koratensis seem to have varieties- rough and smooth petioles, and difference in height. HTML +More --- On Sat, 10/25/08, E.Vincent Morano wrote: From: E.Vincent Morano Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] I need information on Amorphophallus Paeonifolius -any experts out there? To: "Discussion of aroids" Date: Saturday, October 25, 2008, 2:46 PM In regards to the tubers from Madagascar, if memory servers me correctly the sellers name is "african-plants" and they are a very reputable seller. At least yours grew. Mine died. But I have seen these new tubers from other sources so you are probably safe. It would be better if you could post pictures of them. --- On Fri, 10/24/08, Ty York wrote: From: Ty York Subject: [Aroid-l] I need information on Amorphophallus Paeonifolius -any experts out there? To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com Date: Friday, October 24, 2008, 5:34 PM This is my first year of growing them and mine have not shown any signs of going dormant and we may get our first frost in a week. I was wondering if I should bring them indoors or let the frost get them. Second question, I had someone tell me that there is 2 different paeonifolius plants. A small variety 3-4 feet and a large variety that gets 9 feet tall, does this sound right? I have searched to no end and found nothing about 2 different ones. Third question: I bought 3 bulbs last year as a new variety of amorphophallus stated to be sp. madagascar. No pics of the plant were avalible or size etc. just sold as new discovery from madagascar and 3 bulbs cost me 100.00. The plants were funny looking very small plants even on the largest bulb 14oz only put up a foot tall plant. No blooms. Have I been taken? I cannot find the seller again and they would not answer emails after I bought them. Bought off ebay :(. Thanks anyone for any help on this. Ty _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l --0-1973116703-1224990777=:20262----==============G40358808945346059=

From: bonaventure at optonline.net on 2008.10.27 at 21:09:07(18683) _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com +More http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l --==============63664952663676754==--

From: "Russell Coker" <cokerra at bellsouth.net> on 2008.10.28 at 14:57:05(18684) Tee, I'm no expert, but my paeoniifolius experience has been different from what Ron and Ken recommend. I'll preface this by saying that I'm on the Gulf Coast, zone 8b. You did not mention where you are. While it may be "best to extend the growing season as long as you can", you may one day end up with a plant so big that you don't have a place to put it. What attracted me to this species was that it is big and impressive, BUT also follows the seasons and goes dormant so I figured it would be ground hardy for me. I bought the first tennis ball sized tuber 4 years ago. I planted it in a pot and left it alone that first summer. When the weather was not to its liking, it went dormant just like konjac (and caladiums) - I don't remember if that had anything to do with frost or not. I repotted it and its offsets, but left them all sitting on the ground through the winter. They came up the following spring and did fine through the summer. Last summer I planted them in the ground, the tallest plant being over three feet tall by then. Again they went dormant when conditions didn't suit them. All winter I wondered if they were rotting in the ground, but this past spring the all came back up eventually standing 4 to over 6 feet tall - really impressive. My plants have very rough petioles, by the way. We've had cool, dry weather now for about a month, but they don't show any signs of going dormant. Last night we went down to the upper 30's, and tonight will be a little colder. I'll see a difference this week for sure as they begin to die down. I guess the point of all of this is that there is nothing wrong with protecting the plant from cold and dormancy for as long as you can. But when the day comes that your plant is too big to handle there is also nothing wrong with forcing dormancy by leaving it exposed to cool, dry autumn air, withholding water and storing a dormant tuber for the winter. Russell +More Mobile, Alabama ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] I need information on Amorphophallus Paeonifolius -any experts out there? > Ty: > > It's best to do what you can to extend the growing season as long as > you can. I would bring them in. Here in Central Florida they are > ground and pot hardy but they tend to rot in Atlanta if they aren't > brought in before it gets cold. > > Amorphophallus paeoniifolius is a very variable species. Some stay > fairly short and some, especially the group called Borneo Giant, can > reach 8-9 feet tall. The same is true of koratensis. They also very a > great deal in the number of leaflets and the roughness of the petiole. > I have a group raised from seed here in Florida that have virtually > smooth petioles, some from China that are somewhat rougher and a group > that have extremely rough petioles. The more light you give them, the > smaller the leaf will be as well. > > Those corms that came in from Madagascar were, depending on the > species, seriously infected with a fungal infection. Many of them > simply rotted away and there were a couple of postings on aroid- about > it. The others sprouted and, depending on how quickly or to the extent > the corm was infected produced leaves from a few inches tall to up to > about about 4 feet. The species from Kalenbenobo seemed the least > damaged and many of the larger corms produced leaves a few feet tall. > To my knowledge, the hildebrantii have all been lost to rot. Those > from Nosy Faly and Nosy Mitsio vary in between. The Nosy Faly growths > have all been larger than the other group. So, that having been said, > I don't think you were had....these are interesting plants that weren't > available anywhere else, but it will be some time before they are > strong plants. > > Ron McHatton > Central Florida Zone 9B > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ty York > To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com > Sent: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 8:34 pm > Subject: [Aroid-l] I need information on Amorphophallus Paeonifolius > -any experts out there? > > > > > > > > This is my first year of growing them and mine have not shown any signs > of going dormant and we may get our first frost in a week. I was > wondering if I should bring them indoors or let the frost get them. > > > > Second question, I had someone tell me that there is 2 different > paeonifolius plants. A small variety 3-4 feet and a large variety that > gets 9 feet tall, does this sound right? I have searched to no end > and found nothing about 2 different ones. > > > > Third question: I bought 3 bulbs last year as a new variety of > amorphophallus stated to be sp. madagascar. No pics of the plant were > avalible or size etc. just sold as new discovery from madagascar and > 3 bulbs cost me 100.00. The plants were funny looking very small plants > even on the largest bulb 14oz only put up a foot tall plant. No blooms. > Have I been taken? I cannot find the seller again and they would not > answer emails after I bought them. Bought off ebay :(. > > > > > > Thanks anyone for any help on this. Ty > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Aroid-L mailing list > Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > > _______________________________________________ > Aroid-L mailing list > Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

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