Philodendron martianum (which many of us know as

From: "ExoticRainforest" <Steve at ExoticRainforest.com> on 2008.09.07 at 06:23:13(18463) I realize this is likely to be confusing so please read all of my request before responding with a photo. I have been researching the names Philodendron martianum Engl. and Philodendron cannifolium Mart. ex Kunth for a new webpage that has yet to be posted. I have known for some time the correct name for the species many of us grow is Philodendron martianum (not Philodendron cannifolium) as was recently explained by Leland Miyano on this forum. Aroid botanist Dr. Eduardo Gonçalves in Brazil had confirmed that fact for me late last year. What I was having trouble understanding is why many of us believe Philodendron cannifolium is a synonym for Philodendron martianum when neither the International Plant Names Index nor TROPICOS stated that to be correct. Both plants are cited to be a species but the accepted name for Philodendron cannifolium is Philodendron rudgeanum Schott and I could not find a source in botany that Philodendron cannifolium was a synonym for Philodendron martianum. I sent a note to my friend Leland and asked for help in unraveling this mystery. This was Leland's response: "Surf on to the KEW World Monocot Checklist...they have the best explanations about Philodendron cannifolium...and it depends on the author. Philodendron rudgeanum is totally different from Philodendron martianum...but it does look like vine with Spathiphyllum cannifolium leaves...so the confusion...I'll let you explain it in a better fashion once you see the citations." http://apps.kew.org/wcsp/prepareChecklist.do;jsessionid=EEE68C2818E6D7AE3BC392EDF31D7BF7?checklist=selected_families%40%40251070920080658924 Leland also explained the common belief that Philodendron cannifolium looked like Philodendron martianum can be traced to A.B. Graf's book Exotica which has an incorrectly identified photo of Philodendron martianum with the caption "Philodendron cannifolium". Once I read all the Kew's material I could understand the name Philodendron cannifolium was in fact Philodendron rudgeanum and neither of these plants even look like Philodendron martianum! Philodendron rudgeanum (formerly Philodendron cannifolium) is a totally different species and has leaves that look like Spathyphyllum cannifolium but is not a Spathyphyllum species but is simply a Philodendron with leaves that look like a Spathyphyllum. Believe me, I know that last paragraph can be confusing! I had to think about this for quite awhile to make certain I understood what the scientific sources were saying before beginning to write my page. So here is my photo request: To better explain this confusion on my website I need a good photo of Philodendron rudgeanum (formerly known as Philodendron cannifolium) so I can show my website readers what both plants look like. If you grow Philodendron rudgeanum and would be willing to allow me to use your photo with credit please post it here and also send it to me at Steve@ExoticRainforest.com Please be sure you tell me how you would like the credit to read. At this time I don't need any more photos of Philodendron martianum since four plant photographers have provided those already. Thanks! Steve Lucas HTML +More www.ExoticRainforest.com ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C91088.4BD5F6C0----==============24213649137185738=

From: EGoldfluss at aol.com on 2008.09.07 at 19:49:32(18465) So the question still remains- What is the philodendron that Graf identifies as P. martianum and where can I get a piece? Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. HTML +More -------------------------------1220816972----==============Y95437884863131715=

From: Conrad Fleming <conradfleming at yahoo.com> on 2008.09.08 at 11:15:22(18467) Dear Steve, I collected Philodendron rudgeanum decades ago on the island of Trinidad. It survived, weakly, for a few years in cultivation, then died. It belongs to a section of Philodendron (the name of which I cannot now remember) whi ch consists of thin, scrambling vines, with thin petioles and rather small leaves. They require high atmospheric as well as root humidity in order to survive, which is why most of them succumbed in my rather dry, island cond itions; a couple of Costa Rican spp. are still with me, after all these yea rs. I'll be getting together the cuttings I promised you in the near future. All the best, Conrad +More --- On Sat, 9/6/08, ExoticRainforest wrote: > From: ExoticRainforest > Subject: [Aroid-l] Philodendron martianum (which many of us know as Philo dendron cannifolium) > To: "Discussion of aroids" > Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 11:23 PM > I realize this is likely to be confusing so please read all > of my request before responding with a photo. > > I have been researching the names Philodendron martianum > Engl. and Philodendron cannifolium Mart. ex Kunth for a new > webpage that has yet to be posted. > > I have known for some time the correct name for the species > many of us grow is Philodendron martianum (not Philodendron > cannifolium) as was recently explained by Leland Miyano on > this forum. Aroid botanist Dr. Eduardo Gonçalves in Brazil > had confirmed that fact for me late last year. What I was > having trouble understanding is why many of us believe > Philodendron cannifolium is a synonym for Philodendron > martianum when neither the International Plant Names Index > nor TROPICOS stated that to be correct. Both plants are > cited to be a species but the accepted name for Philodendron > cannifolium is Philodendron rudgeanum Schott and I could not > find a source in botany that Philodendron cannifolium was a > synonym for Philodendron martianum. > > I sent a note to my friend Leland and asked for help in > unraveling this mystery. This was Leland's response: > > "Surf on to the KEW World Monocot Checklist...they > have the best explanations about Philodendron > cannifolium...and it depends on the author. Philodendron > rudgeanum is totally different from Philodendron > martianum...but it does look like vine with Spathiphyllum > cannifolium leaves...so the confusion...I'll let you > explain it in a better fashion once you see the > citations." > > http://apps.kew.org/wcsp/prepareChecklist.do;jsessionid=EEE68C2818E6D7A E3BC392EDF31D7BF7?checklist=selected_families%40%40251070920080658924 > > Leland also explained the common belief that Philodendron > cannifolium looked like Philodendron martianum can be traced > to A.B. Graf's book Exotica which has an incorrectly > identified photo of Philodendron martianum with the caption > "Philodendron cannifolium". > > Once I read all the Kew's material I could understand > the name Philodendron cannifolium was in fact Philodendron > rudgeanum and neither of these plants even look like > Philodendron martianum! Philodendron rudgeanum (formerly > Philodendron cannifolium) is a totally different species and > has leaves that look like Spathyphyllum cannifolium but is > not a Spathyphyllum species but is simply a Philodendron > with leaves that look like a Spathyphyllum. > > Believe me, I know that last paragraph can be confusing! I > had to think about this for quite awhile to make certain I > understood what the scientific sources were saying before > beginning to write my page. > > So here is my photo request: To better explain this > confusion on my website I need a good photo of Philodendron > rudgeanum (formerly known as Philodendron cannifolium) so I > can show my website readers what both plants look like. If > you grow Philodendron rudgeanum and would be willing to > allow me to use your photo with credit please post it here > and also send it to me at Steve@ExoticRainforest.com > Please be sure you tell me how you would like the credit to > read. > > At this time I don't need any more photos of > Philodendron martianum since four plant photographers have > provided those already. > > Thanks! > > Steve Lucas > www.ExoticRainforest.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Aroid-L mailing list > Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "ExoticRainforest" <Steve at ExoticRainforest.com> on 2008.09.08 at 22:02:22(18469) Sometimes I get ahead of myself! I just located a great photo of Philodendron rudgeanum Schott right on the IAS website! Botanist David Scherberich in France took the photo and I will be asking David shortly for permission to reuse his photo. If any others have one I'd love to see them. http://www.aroid.org/genera/serveimage.php?key=2518 Thanks! Steve Lucas HTML +More www.ExoticRainforest.com I realize this is likely to be confusing so please read all of my request before responding with a photo. I have been researching the names Philodendron martianum Engl. and Philodendron cannifolium Mart. ex Kunth for a new webpage that has yet to be posted. I have known for some time the correct name for the species many of us grow is Philodendron martianum (not Philodendron cannifolium) as was recently explained by Leland Miyano on this forum. Aroid botanist Dr. Eduardo Gonçalves in Brazil had confirmed that fact for me late last year. What I was having trouble understanding is why many of us believe Philodendron cannifolium is a synonym for Philodendron martianum when neither the International Plant Names Index nor TROPICOS stated that to be correct. Both plants are cited to be a species but the accepted name for Philodendron cannifolium is Philodendron rudgeanum Schott and I could not find a source in botany that Philodendron cannifolium was a synonym for Philodendron martianum. I sent a note to my friend Leland and asked for help in unraveling this mystery. This was Leland's response: "Surf on to the KEW World Monocot Checklist...they have the best explanations about Philodendron cannifolium...and it depends on the author. Philodendron rudgeanum is totally different from Philodendron martianum...but it does look like vine with Spathiphyllum cannifolium leaves...so the confusion...I'll let you explain it in a better fashion once you see the citations." http://apps.kew.org/wcsp/prepareChecklist.do;jsessionid=EEE68C2818E6D7AE3BC392EDF31D7BF7?checklist=selected_families%40%40251070920080658924 Leland also explained the common belief that Philodendron cannifolium looked like Philodendron martianum can be traced to A.B. Graf's book Exotica which has an incorrectly identified photo of Philodendron martianum with the caption "Philodendron cannifolium". Once I read all the Kew's material I could understand the name Philodendron cannifolium was in fact Philodendron rudgeanum and neither of these plants even look like Philodendron martianum! Philodendron rudgeanum (formerly Philodendron cannifolium) is a totally different species and has leaves that look like Spathyphyllum cannifolium but is not a Spathyphyllum species but is simply a Philodendron with leaves that look like a Spathyphyllum. Believe me, I know that last paragraph can be confusing! I had to think about this for quite awhile to make certain I understood what the scientific sources were saying before beginning to write my page. So here is my photo request: To better explain this confusion on my website I need a good photo of Philodendron rudgeanum (formerly known as Philodendron cannifolium) so I can show my website readers what both plants look like. If you grow Philodendron rudgeanum and would be willing to allow me to use your photo with credit please post it here and also send it to me at Steve@ExoticRainforest.com Please be sure you tell me how you would like the credit to read. At this time I don't need any more photos of Philodendron martianum since four plant photographers have provided those already. Thanks! Steve Lucas www.ExoticRainforest.com ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C911D4.A94AF290----==============S98784035266764849=

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