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1. Re: Anthurium hookeri (Marek Argent)
2. Re: FW: Aroideana/IAS news letter--thoughts. (brian lee)
3. (no subject)
4. Re: Lemna (bonaventure at optonline.net)
5. Re: Lemna (bonaventure at optonline.net)
6. Re: FW: Aroideana/IAS news letter--thoughts. (Tom Croat)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 07:43:53 +0100
From: "Marek Argent"
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Anthurium hookeri
To: "Discussion of aroids"
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Steve,
When the species name comes from a surname ending with "r" there is always one "i" - hookeri, bakeri, walkeri one "i"
also when the name ends on "i" or "y" beccarii, karwinskyi.
In other cases there are always 2 "i" - rehmannii, wallisii.
And when te name ends on "a" like Matsuda, the species name is matsudae.
Marek
----- Original Message -----
From: ExoticRainforest
To: Discussion of aroids
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 9:39 PM
Subject: [Aroid-l] Anthurium hookeri
Thanks for the input. Shortly after I published that note Dr. Croat, Julius and Joep Moonen all checked my text and gave additional input. After close to 10 years of growing specimens I thought to be Anthurium hookeri, (or Anthurium hookerii, as they seem to love to spell it) I am amazed I've never discovered this discrepancy before. But, even more amazing, is all the information on the internet, and eBay, which continues to show and offer "Anthurium hookeri" with red berries and ruffled leaves.
Steve Lucas
----- Original Message -----
From: Famille FERRY
To: Discussion of aroids
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 4:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Anthurium hookeri
Hello Steve,
I know very well David Scherberich because he determined a lot of plants for the botanical garden of Nancy. He is an excellent botanist!
We have in culture Anthurium hookeri and it has indeed white berries.
Cordialy,
Genevi?ve
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Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 23:03:51 -0800 (PST)
From: brian lee
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] FW: Aroideana/IAS news letter--thoughts.
To: Discussion of aroids
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Dear Aroid enthusiasts,
Aloha.
First off; I second everything that Julius has put
forth.
In life, we rarely emerge into the world fully
developed. So it was with me. I am constantly adding
new knowledge to my curious nature. I may ignore some
of the articles when I intially read them. But
sometimes, years later and after accumulating
additional information, I re-read Aroidiana articles
with fresh eyes and new epiphanies are revealed.
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be a valuable resource for me. Not every article is a
masterpiece, but hidden among the pages are gems that,
when discovered, are treasures to be coveted again and
again.
It is a unique document and it will
evolve...adolescent and unruly, but in the end it will
mature as a fine wine and we will all toast Julius and
savor every drop.
Aloha,
Leland Miyano
--- ju-bo at msn.com wrote:
>
>
>
> Sent: Fri 12/07/07 10:41 PM
> Reply-to: Discussion of aroids
> (aroid-l at gizmoworks.com)
> To: Discussion of aroids (aroid-l at gizmoworks.com)
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>
>
> Dear Aroid Friends,
>
> [Especially Derek, Tom, Betsy and Jason!!]
> I THINK I`d like to add my voice to this cacaphony.
> First off, my hope is that the lurkers who have
> negative comments ''come forward into the light'',
> as it were, so we can talk and discuss the issues
> concerning the content of ''our'' journal,
> Aroideana.
> My take on ALL the recent issues of Aroideana
> stretching back several years is that they have been
> close to a perfect balance of scientific/taxonomic
> content (see Jason`s break-down, below---thanks,
> Jason).
> I savor reading them SLOWLY, like I savor a good
> wine by taking small sips, or nibbling on TINY
> slivers of my late mum`s rum/fruit cake made a month
> ago from her recipe with ground fruit which has
> soaked in rum and cherry brandy for over two years.
> Do I like equally "like"/enjoy ALL the articles in
> Aroideana?? NO. But the majority I do enjoy, and I
> eventually do get to reading all of them!
> To once more ''beat a dead horse'', unless the
> MEMBERSHIP steps up to the plate and submit drafts
> on ANYTHING dealing with aroids (as Derek and
> everyone else must be TIRED of saying/pleading),
> Aroideana will stay as a VERY high quality journal
> dedicated to Aroids, with a variety of interests
> covered.
> The IAS newsletter is another matter, I REALLY enjoy
> receiving it, and the articles are very
> entertaining! GREAT work, Carla!!
> Issues and subjects beyond those covered in
> Aroideana and the IAS newsletter I firmly believe
> are best covered (and I believe presently are
> covered!) in the discussions on forums like the
> Aroid-l pages, the UBS web site and others like
> these.
> I leave it to the IAS board to decide if we can
> afford more than one issue a year, and if the number
> of issues is increased, what the format and size
> might be---color or B+W, but the SIZE will be
> critical. Those who are calling for four issues a
> year MUST bear in mind what the old Aroidanas
> consisted of, B+W only, three or four short but
> EXTREMELY informative articles, they consisted of
> just a thin ''magazine'' stapled together ( I am
> presently researching an issue in Volume 2 now!), so
> I can already hear the ''screams'' of complaint from
> those accostomed to the WONDERFUL large and I am
> certain COSTLY issues with color, which Derek Burch,
> our present (and for the ''abuse'' which he endures,
> grossly ''underpaid'') Editor has managed to produce
> for our pleasure.
> ENOUGH said from my corner!
> Thanks a million to those who have contributed to
> this discussion, and Derek, keep up the GREAT work!
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Julius Boos
> W.P.B., FLORIDA
>
> >>Dear Betsy:
>
> This is a nice response! Thank you for replying.
> Remember that Derek is proposing that Aroideana be
> published several times a year and in color so it
> really would be very different from the existing
> item. It is true that it might not be conducive to
> encouraging new writers to submit but hell, we have
> had no success up to now (more than 20 years of
> trying) in getting people to submit articles despite
> the form of publication.
>
> Tom
>
>
> From: aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com
> [mailto:aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of
> Betsy Feuerstein
> Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 10:45 AM
> To: Discussion of aroids
> Subject: [Aroid-l] Aroideana vs. Newsletter - food
> for thought
>
> Perhaps it is for the general membership to realize
> that the Newsletter has become so much better and
> fun to read that it is OK for Aroideana to be
> taxonomic rather than cover both sides of the fence.
> I feel certain Carla, the Newsletter editor, would
> be delighted with offers of articles from the
> membership and just maybe, this is the place for
> little articles on more interests by amateurs to be
> established. I complained for a long time about the
> only technical aspect of Aroideana but just maybe we
> can be OK with it all since the Newsletter has
> become so much better. One could suggest that we
> have only one project by combining the two, but I
> personally like getting the Newsletter more often.
> Now, it may become a financial situation to contend
> with and that would leave an option open for less
> cost with one publication and one mailing per year.
> This is a good reason for individuals to pay their
> dues because we do get in a timely manner, the
> publications these days. I can remember when all was
> years behind and some gave up on the cause, but now,
> that is not an excuse. I know the holidays are here
> and paying dues is not what one wants to hear, but
> maybe come the first of the year, some of those who
> do reep the benefit of Aroid-l and shows and such
> will find a way to pay the dues for 2008. Think
> about it. We have some very dedicated individuals
> who do a really good job working on our behalf these
> days. Let's us do our part by making sure our dues
> are paid. Of course, if we want more subjects and
> our amateur members have knowledge, it is going to
> take those individuals to step up to the plate and
> offer their expertise in comments and articles so
> the rest of us can become more informed. It would
> seem to me that the Newsletter would be great place
> to get one's feet wet by writing on some subject
> that interests you. Or even to propose a question
> for others to answer.... even a shorter forum and
> less frightening. Start by letting it be known what
> you want and then by participating when it all gets
> going.
>
> Betsy
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "mossytrail"
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 9:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] FW: Aroideana - and help to
> get it
>
> >
> >> Dear correspondent,
> >>
> >> I am very glad that this has reached me [an
> interesting
> >> letter on the contents of Aroideana - ed], and I
> have to
> >> say that, as editor I cold not be more aware of
> the fact
> >> that Aroideana has very little to offer much of
> the
> >> society's membership. How to correct this is
> another
> >> matter.
> >>
> >> The Newsletter is getting
> >> better and better, I think, while in Aroideana we
> remain a
> >> place of good quality taxonomic material and very
> little
> >> else.
> >> So, is your
> >> sharing of experience on either topic actively in
> your
> >> computer even as we correspond ? Bashful about
> writing? I
> >> can do it for you if you give me an article in
> rough form.
> >> Not interested in these topics? Well, what the
> hell are
> >> you interested in, and why I haven't I been told
> about it
> >> directly, with an offer for a contribution as
> part of the
> >> communication?
> >
> > Well!
> >
> > I don't know who's been complaining about what,
> but I
> > maintain my membership for professional reasons --
> to stay
> > abreast of Aroid research in ANY line of enquiry,
> taxonomic
> > and otherwise. I always assumed the main purpose
> of
> > Aroideana was precisely to be an outlet for this
> kind of
> > specialized work; otherwise we would publish in
> BioTropica,
> > Actum Botanicum, or any number of more generalized
> journals.
> > To me, the newsletter is just icing on the cake --
> it is
>
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 12:10:27 +0000 (GMT)
From: bonaventure at optonline.net
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Lemna
To: Discussion of aroids
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How 'bout a laboratory type plastic tube (eg. 15 or 50 ml Falcon or Corning centrifuge tube) with a plastic screw on cap. Not much water neede, just keep moist (or damp sphagnum, thanks Don), and then put in a crush-proof mailing box.
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Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 12:12:46 +0000 (GMT)
From: bonaventure at optonline.net
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Lemna
To: Discussion of aroids
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All replies seem good, some better, easier, and more practical. Hell, migrating ducks do it constantly on their feet don't they?
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:05:37 -0600
From: "Tom Croat"
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] FW: Aroideana/IAS news letter--thoughts.
To: "Discussion of aroids"
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Dear Julius:
Without even scrolling down to the bottom to see who was writing
it I knew that it had to be you. Thanks for your concern and your
imput. You always have such keen insight and advise on any problem that
arises.
Tom
-----Original Message-----
From: aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com
[mailto:aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of ju-bo at msn.com
Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 12:02 AM
To: aroid-l at gizmoworks.com
Subject: [Aroid-l] FW: Aroideana/IAS news letter--thoughts.
Sent: Fri 12/07/07 10:41 PM
Reply-to: Discussion of aroids (aroid-l at gizmoworks.com)
To: Discussion of aroids (aroid-l at gizmoworks.com)
Security scan upon download Trend Micro (r) logo
Dear Aroid Friends,
[Especially Derek, Tom, Betsy and Jason!!]
I THINK I`d like to add my voice to this cacaphony.
First off, my hope is that the lurkers who have negative comments ''come
forward into the light'', as it were, so we can talk and discuss the
issues concerning the content of ''our'' journal, Aroideana.
My take on ALL the recent issues of Aroideana stretching back several
years is that they have been close to a perfect balance of
scientific/taxonomic content (see Jason`s break-down, below---thanks,
Jason).
I savor reading them SLOWLY, like I savor a good wine by taking small
sips, or nibbling on TINY slivers of my late mum`s rum/fruit cake made a
month ago from her recipe with ground fruit which has soaked in rum and
cherry brandy for over two years.
Do I like equally "like"/enjoy ALL the articles in Aroideana?? NO. But
the majority I do enjoy, and I eventually do get to reading all of them!
To once more ''beat a dead horse'', unless the MEMBERSHIP steps up to
the plate and submit drafts on ANYTHING dealing with aroids (as Derek
and everyone else must be TIRED of saying/pleading), Aroideana will stay
as a VERY high quality journal dedicated to Aroids, with a variety of
interests covered.
The IAS newsletter is another matter, I REALLY enjoy receiving it, and
the articles are very entertaining! GREAT work, Carla!!
Issues and subjects beyond those covered in Aroideana and the IAS
newsletter I firmly believe are best covered (and I believe presently
are covered!) in the discussions on forums like the Aroid-l pages, the
UBS web site and others like these.
I leave it to the IAS board to decide if we can afford more than one
issue a year, and if the number of issues is increased, what the format
and size might be---color or B+W, but the SIZE will be critical. Those
who are calling for four issues a year MUST bear in mind what the old
Aroidanas consisted of, B+W only, three or four short but EXTREMELY
informative articles, they consisted of just a thin ''magazine'' stapled
together ( I am presently researching an issue in Volume 2 now!), so I
can already hear the ''screams'' of complaint from those accostomed to
the WONDERFUL large and I am certain COSTLY issues with color, which
Derek Burch, our present (and for the ''abuse'' which he endures,
grossly ''underpaid'') Editor has managed to produce for our pleasure.
ENOUGH said from my corner!
Thanks a million to those who have contributed to this discussion, and
Derek, keep up the GREAT work!
Sincerely,
Julius Boos
W.P.B., FLORIDA
>>Dear Betsy:
This is a nice response! Thank you for replying. Remember that Derek is
proposing that Aroideana be published several times a year and in color
so it really would be very different from the existing item. It is true
that it might not be conducive to encouraging new writers to submit but
hell, we have had no success up to now (more than 20 years of trying) in
getting people to submit articles despite the form of publication.
Tom
From: aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com
[mailto:aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Betsy Feuerstein
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 10:45 AM
To: Discussion of aroids
Subject: [Aroid-l] Aroideana vs. Newsletter - food for thought
Perhaps it is for the general membership to realize that the Newsletter
has become so much better and fun to read that it is OK for Aroideana to
be taxonomic rather than cover both sides of the fence. I feel certain
Carla, the Newsletter editor, would be delighted with offers of articles
from the membership and just maybe, this is the place for little
articles on more interests by amateurs to be established. I complained
for a long time about the only technical aspect of Aroideana but just
maybe we can be OK with it all since the Newsletter has become so much
better. One could suggest that we have only one project by combining the
two, but I personally like getting the Newsletter more often. Now, it
may become a financial situation to contend with and that would leave an
option open for less cost with one publication and one mailing per year.
This is a good reason for individuals to pay their dues because we do
get in a timely manner, the publications these days. I can remember when
all was years behind and some gave up on the cause, but now, that is not
an excuse. I know the holidays are here and paying dues is not what one
wants to hear, but maybe come the first of the year, some of those who
do reep the benefit of Aroid-l and shows and such will find a way to pay
the dues for 2008. Think about it. We have some very dedicated
individuals who do a really good job working on our behalf these days.
Let's us do our part by making sure our dues are paid. Of course, if we
want more subjects and our amateur members have knowledge, it is going
to take those individuals to step up to the plate and offer their
expertise in comments and articles so the rest of us can become more
informed. It would seem to me that the Newsletter would be great place
to get one's feet wet by writing on some subject that interests you. Or
even to propose a question for others to answer.... even a shorter forum
and less frightening. Start by letting it be known what you want and
then by participating when it all gets going.
Betsy
----- Original Message -----
From: "mossytrail"
To:
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 9:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] FW: Aroideana - and help to get it
>
>> Dear correspondent,
>>
>> I am very glad that this has reached me [an interesting
>> letter on the contents of Aroideana - ed], and I have to
>> say that, as editor I cold not be more aware of the fact
>> that Aroideana has very little to offer much of the
>> society's membership. How to correct this is another
>> matter.
>>
>> The Newsletter is getting
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