Varigated ZZ`s and more.

From: ju-bo at msn.com (Julius Boos) on 2007.10.28 at 17:04:48(16620) From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 21:33:25 -0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: question Dear Ken, Thanks for the info:, from what I`ve heard, there is "something" going on with this "varigated" kick, all sorts of plants are popping up in a varigated form. A friend hinted to me that there is a process being used to induce this varigation in MANY plants, just recently I heard of a couple plants of varigated Philodendron goeldii for sale in Asia, and even in other plant families way too many varigated cultivars are turning up for it just to be by chance. Does anyone have any info. on this?? The Best, Julius +More >>The very expensive Zamioculcas for sale at the IAS show was variegated. That's why it was $100. There were several rooted cuttings in each plastic sleeve and there were two available for sale. -Ken Mosher Julius Boos wrote: > >Dear Adam, > >Thanks for the kind words. Remember, I only suggested (in another posting) > that the Zamioculcas now commonly available because of tissue culture may >be modified and so be larger and more attractive 'selections' than the wild >'mother' plant might be. As far as I know little data is availabe on these >figures/facts. >Like you, I like to have at last one wild-collected plant which the tissue >cultured plants can be compared to! >There seem to be quite a few 'new' cultivars/selections which are said to >have been individuals selected and propagated from batches produced from >tissue culture. Several Alocasias, Philodendrons, Caladiums, etc. come to >mind. >Michael Mahan reports that he saw cuttings of Zamioculcus for sale at the >IAS show for over $100.00, and others across the room, large potted >specimens, for $30.00. I think that we can say that the cheaper ones were >the tissue-cultured specimens, I only wish I knew more about the story >behind the specimens which were being sold for expensive prices! > >The Best, > >Julius _

From: agavestar at covad.net (Michael Mahan) on 2007.10.29 at 06:31:07(16623) Limited info so far .. as there is a lab that is using a chemical that induces it (variegation ) while the tissue is being cultured but they seem to be holding their cards tightly to the chest as a bunch of agaves are showing up that way , that lab is in Northeast -New England .. BUT the outcome is very variable right now & the clones seem to revert back , some very fast under good culture & I'll find the link to it but there is one lab is in the EU that is doing succulents much the same way & auctioning off the mistakes as they are wildly colored .. any variegate collectors be way cautious about new clones as the reversions back to green are wide spread thru may species from what I am hearing thru rumors from other dealers/collectors .. seems there are a few well known nurseries involved but all this is rumor, So no flaming .. Michael Mahan +More -----Original Message----- From: aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Julius Boos Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 10:05 AM To: aroid-l at gizmoworks.com Subject: [Aroid-l] Varigated ZZ`s and more. From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 21:33:25 -0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: question Dear Ken, Thanks for the info:, from what I`ve heard, there is "something" going on with this "varigated" kick, all sorts of plants are popping up in a varigated form. A friend hinted to me that there is a process being used to induce this varigation in MANY plants, just recently I heard of a couple plants of varigated Philodendron goeldii for sale in Asia, and even in other plant families way too many varigated cultivars are turning up for it just to be by chance. Does anyone have any info. on this?? The Best, Julius >>The very expensive Zamioculcas for sale at the IAS show was variegated. That's why it was $100. There were several rooted cuttings in each plastic sleeve and there were two available for sale. -Ken Mosher Julius Boos wrote: > >Dear Adam, > >Thanks for the kind words. Remember, I only suggested (in another posting) > that the Zamioculcas now commonly available because of tissue culture may >be modified and so be larger and more attractive 'selections' than the wild >'mother' plant might be. As far as I know little data is availabe on these >figures/facts. >Like you, I like to have at last one wild-collected plant which the tissue >cultured plants can be compared to! >There seem to be quite a few 'new' cultivars/selections which are said to >have been individuals selected and propagated from batches produced from >tissue culture. Several Alocasias, Philodendrons, Caladiums, etc. come to >mind. >Michael Mahan reports that he saw cuttings of Zamioculcus for sale at the >IAS show for over $100.00, and others across the room, large potted >specimens, for $30.00. I think that we can say that the cheaper ones were >the tissue-cultured specimens, I only wish I knew more about the story >behind the specimens which were being sold for expensive prices! > >The Best, > >Julius _ _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: gcyao at mydestiny.net (George Yao) on 2007.10.29 at 11:22:00(16624) Julius, I believe Thailand has a facility for irradiation that induces variegation. I have also heard that tissue culture can induce variegation, like, for example, some of the variegated bananas that has been coming out. George Yao +More Metro-Manila Philippines At 10/29/2007 01:04 AM, you wrote: > From : Ken Mosher >Reply-To : Discussion of aroids >Sent : Sunday, October 28, 2007 3:19 PM >To : Discussion of aroids >Subject : Re: [Aroid-l] Forms of ZZ plant -thanks + a tissue culture >question > > >Dear Ken, > >Thanks for the info:, from what I`ve heard, there is "something" going on >with this "varigated" kick, all sorts of plants are popping up in a >varigated form. A friend hinted to me that there is a process being used >to induce this varigation in MANY plants, just recently I heard of a couple >plants of varigated Philodendron goeldii for sale in Asia, and even in other >plant families way too many varigated cultivars are turning up for it just >to be by chance. >Does anyone have any info. on this?? > >The Best, > >Julius > > >>The very expensive Zamioculcas for sale at the IAS show was variegated. >That's why it was $100. There were several rooted cuttings in each >plastic sleeve and there were two available for sale. > >-Ken Mosher -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1097 - Release Date: 10/28/2007 1:58 PM

From: mmarcotr at email.smith.edu (Michael Marcotrigiano) on 2007.10.29 at 12:41:49(16625) I have a young variegated ZZ bought on ebay. Just a warning. It came with two variegated young leaves. Since then the next three were green or yellow, not variegated. This plant may be so unstable I'd think twice before forking over big bucks for one. I use to work in a mutagenesis lab and there are nasty chemicals like nitrosomethylurea that cause plastid mutations at high frequency when seed is soaked in the solution. It is also in the top 5 known carcinogens so I'd suggest anyone thinking of getting rich on new variegated plants by using such chemicals, plan on having an oncologist nearby. +More >>> "Julius Boos" 10/28/2007 1:04 PM >>> From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 21:33:25 -0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: culture question Dear Ken, Thanks for the info:, from what I`ve heard, there is "something" going = on with this "varigated" kick, all sorts of plants are popping up in a varigated form. A friend hinted to me that there is a process being = used to induce this varigation in MANY plants, just recently I heard of a = couple plants of varigated Philodendron goeldii for sale in Asia, and even in = other plant families way too many varigated cultivars are turning up for it = just to be by chance. Does anyone have any info. on this?? The Best, Julius >>The very expensive Zamioculcas for sale at the IAS show was variegated. That's why it was $100. There were several rooted cuttings in each plastic sleeve and there were two available for sale. -Ken Mosher Julius Boos wrote: > >Dear Adam, > >Thanks for the kind words. Remember, I only suggested (in another posting) > that the Zamioculcas now commonly available because of tissue culture may >be modified and so be larger and more attractive 'selections' than the wild >'mother' plant might be. As far as I know little data is availabe on these >figures/facts. >Like you, I like to have at last one wild-collected plant which the tissue >cultured plants can be compared to! >There seem to be quite a few 'new' cultivars/selections which are said to >have been individuals selected and propagated from batches produced from >tissue culture. Several Alocasias, Philodendrons, Caladiums, etc. come to >mind. >Michael Mahan reports that he saw cuttings of Zamioculcus for sale at the >IAS show for over $100.00, and others across the room, large potted >specimens, for $30.00. I think that we can say that the cheaper ones were >the tissue-cultured specimens, I only wish I knew more about the story >behind the specimens which were being sold for expensive prices! > >The Best, > >Julius _ _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: agoston.janos123 at gmail.com (Jan Agoston) on 2007.10.29 at 12:53:57(16626) I've heared, that there is a kind of chemical which can kill the chloroplasts in the cells, so maybe they use this on tissu cultured plants to get variegation. Well that's just my idear, maybe not true... Bye, janos +More 2007/10/28, Julius Boos : > > > > From : Ken Mosher > Reply-To : Discussion of aroids > Sent : Sunday, October 28, 2007 3:19 PM > To : Discussion of aroids > Subject : Re: [Aroid-l] Forms of ZZ plant -thanks + a tissue culture > question > > > Dear Ken, > > Thanks for the info:, from what I`ve heard, there is "something" going on > with this "varigated" kick, all sorts of plants are popping up in a > varigated form. A friend hinted to me that there is a process being used > to induce this varigation in MANY plants, just recently I heard of a > couple > plants of varigated Philodendron goeldii for sale in Asia, and even in > other > plant families way too many varigated cultivars are turning up for it just > to be by chance. > Does anyone have any info. on this?? > > The Best, > > Julius > > >>The very expensive Zamioculcas for sale at the IAS show was variegated. > That's why it was $100. There were several rooted cuttings in each > plastic sleeve and there were two available for sale. > > -Ken Mosher > > Julius Boos wrote: > > > >Dear Adam, > > > >Thanks for the kind words. Remember, I only suggested (in another > posting) > > that the Zamioculcas now commonly available because of tissue > culture may > >be modified and so be larger and more attractive 'selections' than the > wild > >'mother' plant might be. As far as I know little data is availabe on > these > >figures/facts. > >Like you, I like to have at last one wild-collected plant which the > tissue > >cultured plants can be compared to! > >There seem to be quite a few 'new' cultivars/selections which are said > to > >have been individuals selected and propagated from batches produced > from > >tissue culture. Several Alocasias, Philodendrons, Caladiums, etc. > come to > >mind. > >Michael Mahan reports that he saw cuttings of Zamioculcus for sale at > the > >IAS show for over $100.00, and others across the room, large potted > >specimens, for $30.00. I think that we can say that the cheaper ones > were > >the tissue-cultured specimens, I only wish I knew more about the story > >behind the specimens which were being sold for expensive prices! > > > >The Best, > > > >Julius > _ > > > _______________________________________________ > Aroid-L mailing list > Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/private/aroid-l/attachments/20071029/180987c4/attachment-0001.htm

From: criswick at spiceisle.com (criswick) on 2007.10.29 at 17:22:58(16628) In Thailand nowadays it's becoming as though any plant you care to think of is also available variegated. Plumerias, and a whole range of unlikely ornamentals and even fruit trees can now be had with variegation. John Criswick. +More -----Original Message----- From: aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of George Yao Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 7:22 AM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Varigated ZZ`s and more. Julius, I believe Thailand has a facility for irradiation that induces variegation. I have also heard that tissue culture can induce variegation, like, for example, some of the variegated bananas that has been coming out. George Yao Metro-Manila Philippines At 10/29/2007 01:04 AM, you wrote: > From : Ken Mosher >Reply-To : Discussion of aroids >Sent : Sunday, October 28, 2007 3:19 PM >To : Discussion of aroids >Subject : Re: [Aroid-l] Forms of ZZ plant -thanks + a tissue culture >question > > >Dear Ken, > >Thanks for the info:, from what I`ve heard, there is "something" going on >with this "varigated" kick, all sorts of plants are popping up in a >varigated form. A friend hinted to me that there is a process being used >to induce this varigation in MANY plants, just recently I heard of a couple >plants of varigated Philodendron goeldii for sale in Asia, and even in other >plant families way too many varigated cultivars are turning up for it just >to be by chance. >Does anyone have any info. on this?? > >The Best, > >Julius > > >>The very expensive Zamioculcas for sale at the IAS show was variegated. >That's why it was $100. There were several rooted cuttings in each >plastic sleeve and there were two available for sale. > >-Ken Mosher -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1097 - Release Date: 10/28/2007 1:58 PM _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/private/aroid-l/attachments/20071029/d510eb14/attachment-0001.htm

From: abri1973 at wp.pl (Marek Argent) on 2007.10.29 at 17:26:48(16629) Sometimes it is a spontanical mutation, just like my Spathiphyllum (see appended photo). It's been living on a southern window for more than 2 years. Marek +More ----- Original Message ----- From: Jan Agoston To: Discussion of aroids Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 1:53 PM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Varigated ZZ`s and more. I've heared, that there is a kind of chemical which can kill the chloroplasts in the cells, so maybe they use this on tissu cultured plants to get variegation. Well that's just my idear, maybe not true... Bye, janos 2007/10/28, Julius Boos : From : Ken Mosher Reply-To : Discussion of aroids Sent : Sunday, October 28, 2007 3:19 PM To : Discussion of aroids Subject : Re: [Aroid-l] Forms of ZZ plant -thanks + a tissue culture question Dear Ken, Thanks for the info:, from what I`ve heard, there is "something" going on with this "varigated" kick, all sorts of plants are popping up in a varigated form. A friend hinted to me that there is a process being used to induce this varigation in MANY plants, just recently I heard of a couple plants of varigated Philodendron goeldii for sale in Asia, and even in other plant families way too many varigated cultivars are turning up for it just to be by chance. Does anyone have any info. on this?? The Best, Julius >>The very expensive Zamioculcas for sale at the IAS show was variegated. That's why it was $100. There were several rooted cuttings in each plastic sleeve and there were two available for sale. -Ken Mosher Julius Boos wrote: > >Dear Adam, > >Thanks for the kind words. Remember, I only suggested (in another posting) > that the Zamioculcas now commonly available because of tissue culture may >be modified and so be larger and more attractive 'selections' than the wild >'mother' plant might be. As far as I know little data is availabe on these >figures/facts. >Like you, I like to have at last one wild-collected plant which the tissue >cultured plants can be compared to! >There seem to be quite a few 'new' cultivars/selections which are said to >have been individuals selected and propagated from batches produced from >tissue culture. Several Alocasias, Philodendrons, Caladiums, etc. come to >mind. >Michael Mahan reports that he saw cuttings of Zamioculcus for sale at the >IAS show for over $100.00, and others across the room, large potted >specimens, for $30.00. I think that we can say that the cheaper ones were >the tissue-cultured specimens, I only wish I knew more about the story >behind the specimens which were being sold for expensive prices! > >The Best, > >Julius _ _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l __________ NOD32 Informacje 2623 (20071029) __________ Wiadomosc zostala sprawdzona przez System Antywirusowy NOD32 http://www.nod32.com lub http://www.nod32.pl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/private/aroid-l/attachments/20071029/8766fb6b/attachment-0001.htm -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: DSC05877.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 248393 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/private/aroid-l/attachments/20071029/8766fb6b/attachment-0001.jpg

From: plantguy at zoominternet.net (Daniel Devor) on 2007.10.29 at 22:25:42(16630) Of course, there are others, like FDA-approved antibiotics that are known to cause things like read-through of premature stop codons that are actually clinically useful that also cause plastid mutations so a careful literature search might be good for those with a more scientific bent...and YES, these antibiotics if used in too high a concentration cause total albinism in both Arisaema and Amorphophallus seedlings....unpublished observations from my own back-yard lab :o) I personally never cared enough to do the appropriate concentration-response studies to see if I could select a variegated clone (for me, this was a simple curiosity thing as we had the antibiotics in my research laboratory anyway for totally different purposes) as I do not know why in the world anyone would want one in the first place.....but that is just me! Dan +More Dan Devor Gibsonia, PA where we finally had our first frost last night :o) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Marcotrigiano" To: Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 8:41 AM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Varigated ZZ`s and more. >I have a young variegated ZZ bought on ebay. Just a warning. It came with >two variegated young leaves. Since then the next three were green or >yellow, not variegated. This plant may be so unstable I'd think twice >before forking over big bucks for one. > > I use to work in a mutagenesis lab and there are nasty chemicals like > nitrosomethylurea that cause plastid mutations at high frequency when seed > is soaked in the solution. It is also in the top 5 known carcinogens so > I'd suggest anyone thinking of getting rich on new variegated plants by > using such chemicals, plan on having an oncologist nearby. > >>>> "Julius Boos" 10/28/2007 1:04 PM >>> > > > From : Ken Mosher > Reply-To : Discussion of aroids > Sent : Sunday, October 28, 2007 3:19 PM > To : Discussion of aroids > Subject : Re: [Aroid-l] Forms of ZZ plant -thanks + a tissue culture > question > > > Dear Ken, > > Thanks for the info:, from what I`ve heard, there is "something" going on > with this "varigated" kick, all sorts of plants are popping up in a > varigated form. A friend hinted to me that there is a process being used > to induce this varigation in MANY plants, just recently I heard of a > couple > plants of varigated Philodendron goeldii for sale in Asia, and even in > other > plant families way too many varigated cultivars are turning up for it just > to be by chance. > Does anyone have any info. on this?? > > The Best, > > Julius > >>>The very expensive Zamioculcas for sale at the IAS show was variegated. > That's why it was $100. There were several rooted cuttings in each > plastic sleeve and there were two available for sale. > > -Ken Mosher > > Julius Boos wrote: >> >>Dear Adam, >> >>Thanks for the kind words. Remember, I only suggested (in another > posting) >> that the Zamioculcas now commonly available because of tissue > culture may >>be modified and so be larger and more attractive 'selections' than the > wild >>'mother' plant might be. As far as I know little data is availabe on > these >>figures/facts. >>Like you, I like to have at last one wild-collected plant which the > tissue >>cultured plants can be compared to! >>There seem to be quite a few 'new' cultivars/selections which are said > to >>have been individuals selected and propagated from batches produced > from >>tissue culture. Several Alocasias, Philodendrons, Caladiums, etc. > come to >>mind. >>Michael Mahan reports that he saw cuttings of Zamioculcus for sale at > the >>IAS show for over $100.00, and others across the room, large potted >>specimens, for $30.00. I think that we can say that the cheaper ones > were >>the tissue-cultured specimens, I only wish I knew more about the story >>behind the specimens which were being sold for expensive prices! >> >>The Best, >> >>Julius > _ > > > _______________________________________________ > Aroid-L mailing list > Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > > _______________________________________________ > Aroid-L mailing list > Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > >

From: hermine at endangeredspecies.com (hermine) on 2007.10.30 at 02:26:19(16631) Permission requested to post this to my Sansevierias list. artificially induced variegates are selling at prices normally reserved for CARS. Herm does not like this. hermine +More >I have a young variegated ZZ bought on ebay. Just a warning. It came >with two variegated young leaves. Since then the next three were >green or yellow, not variegated. This plant may be so unstable I'd >think twice before forking over big bucks for one. > >I use to work in a mutagenesis lab and there are nasty chemicals >like nitrosomethylurea that cause plastid mutations at high >frequency when seed is soaked in the solution. It is also in the top >5 known carcinogens so I'd suggest anyone thinking of getting rich >on new variegated plants by using such chemicals, plan on having an >oncologist nearby. > > >

From: ju-bo at msn.com (Julius Boos) on 2007.10.31 at 10:09:07(16633) From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 21:33:25 -0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: Dear Friends, From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 21:33:25 -0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: labs/people are in fact using chemicals and other methods to 'create' varigated "sports'' of plants, some of which soon revert back to an all-green state, some seem able to "hold" the varigation. Other varigations (and cultivars differenig from the original) seem to just "turn up" in batches of plants created from the tissue culture processes, and are chosen out of large batches as "cultivars' of a certain species. I guess that we can only wait and see where this trend goes, and meanwhile let the buyer beware! Thanks to all, Julius +More >>Limited info so far .. as there is a lab that is using a chemical that induces it (variegation ) while the tissue is being cultured but they seem to be holding their cards tightly to the chest as a bunch of agaves are showing up that way , that lab is in Northeast -New England .. BUT the outcome is very variable right now & the clones seem to revert back , some very fast under good culture & I'll find the link to it but there is one lab is in the EU that is doing succulents much the same way & auctioning off the mistakes as they are wildly colored .. any variegate collectors be way cautious about new clones as the reversions back to green are wide spread thru may species from what I am hearing thru rumors from other dealers/collectors .. seems there are a few well known nurseries involved but all this is rumor, So no flaming .. Michael Mahan -----Original Message----- From: aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Julius Boos Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 10:05 AM To: aroid-l at gizmoworks.com Subject: [Aroid-l] Varigated ZZ`s and more. From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 21:33:25 -0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: question Dear Ken, Thanks for the info:, from what I`ve heard, there is "something" going on with this "varigated" kick, all sorts of plants are popping up in a varigated form. A friend hinted to me that there is a process being used to induce this varigation in MANY plants, just recently I heard of a couple plants of varigated Philodendron goeldii for sale in Asia, and even in other plant families way too many varigated cultivars are turning up for it just to be by chance. Does anyone have any info. on this?? The Best, Julius >>The very expensive Zamioculcas for sale at the IAS show was variegated. That's why it was $100. There were several rooted cuttings in each plastic sleeve and there were two available for sale. -Ken Mosher Julius Boos wrote: > >Dear Adam, > >Thanks for the kind words. Remember, I only suggested (in another posting) > that the Zamioculcas now commonly available because of tissue culture may >be modified and so be larger and more attractive 'selections' than the wild >'mother' plant might be. As far as I know little data is availabe on these >figures/facts. >Like you, I like to have at last one wild-collected plant which the tissue >cultured plants can be compared to! >There seem to be quite a few 'new' cultivars/selections which are said to >have been individuals selected and propagated from batches produced from >tissue culture. Several Alocasias, Philodendrons, Caladiums, etc. come to >mind. >Michael Mahan reports that he saw cuttings of Zamioculcus for sale at the >IAS show for over $100.00, and others across the room, large potted >specimens, for $30.00. I think that we can say that the cheaper ones were >the tissue-cultured specimens, I only wish I knew more about the story >behind the specimens which were being sold for expensive prices! > >The Best, > >Julius _ _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 21:33:25 -0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: Dear Steve, I don`t have any photo or real infoprmation on these bird-nest type of Anthuriums, maybe Joep has a photo?? If poss., can you give Joep any idea of the asking OR going price of Anthurium jennmanii seeds/fruits?? I am copying Joep on this. Julius >>About a week ago I put up a new page on Anthurium bonplandii. All the >>information was taken from the orginal botanical text printed in one of >>Dr. Croat's journals. I'm looking for additional practical information and >>grower input. I'd love to know if you grow this species and what you've >>learned about it. Any good photos you will allow me to add to the page >>would be appreciated since our specimen is quite small. I'll certainly >>credit you for your photos and information. The photos I've received so >>far are from the grower who provided our specimen which is now quite >>small. According to Joep Moonen in Fench Guiana, this species is quite >>rare in nature. When young it does strongly resemble Anthurium jenmanii >>which is now extremely popular with growers in Indonesia and is a rather >>odd birds nest form since it is often found growing on stone and is rarely >>epiphytic. Anthurium bonplandii is instead normally terrestrial. http://www.exoticrainforest.com/Anthurium%20bonplandii%20pc.html Thanks! Steve Lucas www.ExoticRainforest.com _______________________________________________ From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 21:33:25 -0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: Dear Steve, I don`t have any photo or real infoprmation on these bird-nest type of Anthuriums, maybe Joep has a photo?? If poss., can you give Joep any idea of the asking OR going price of Anthurium jennmanii seeds/fruits?? I am copying Joep on this. Julius >>About a week ago I put up a new page on Anthurium bonplandii. All the >>information was taken from the orginal botanical text printed in one of >>Dr. Croat's journals. I'm looking for additional practical information and >>grower input. I'd love to know if you grow this species and what you've >>learned about it. Any good photos you will allow me to add to the page >>would be appreciated since our specimen is quite small. I'll certainly >>credit you for your photos and information. The photos I've received so >>far are from the grower who provided our specimen which is now quite >>small. According to Joep Moonen in Fench Guiana, this species is quite >>rare in nature. When young it does strongly resemble Anthurium jenmanii >>which is now extremely popular with growers in Indonesia and is a rather >>odd birds nest form since it is often found growing on stone and is rarely >>epiphytic. Anthurium bonplandii is instead normally terrestrial. http://www.exoticrainforest.com/Anthurium%20bonplandii%20pc.html Thanks! Steve Lucas www.ExoticRainforest.com _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 21:33:25 -0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: . One of the dishes Mr. Dufresne presented in his Starchefs talk was what he called "knot foie," a result of experimentation combining xanthan gum with konjac flour, made from a tuber long used in Japanese cooking. "We've had konjac flour in the kitchen for a long time, and we just hadn't used it," Mr. Dufresne said. "We realized, after reading, that it has a really interesting synergy with xanthan gum. It makes a kind of funky, strange gel on its own, but in conjunction with xanthan gum, which on its own won't make a gel but is just a thickener, it makes a really interesting, very elastic product." He continued: "So we thought, well what could we take that normally wouldn't behave like that but would be really interesting. And almost instantly, we came up with the idea of foie gras." . Chuck Gramling ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C82139.EC14D5A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" = xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" = xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" = xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> From NY Times online 11/6/07 style='font-family:"Georgia","serif"; color:black'>Food 2.0: Chefs as Chemists style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"'>… p> style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"'>One of the dishes Mr. Dufresne presented in his Starchefs talk was what he = called “knot foie,” a result of experimentation combining xanthan = gum with konjac flour, made from a tuber long used in Japanese = cooking. style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"'>“We’= ve had konjac flour in the kitchen for a long time, and we just = hadn’t used it,” Mr. Dufresne said. “We realized, after reading, that it = has a really interesting synergy with xanthan gum. It makes a kind of funky, = strange gel on its own, but in conjunction with xanthan gum, which on its own = won’t make a gel but is just a thickener, it makes a really interesting, very = elastic product.” style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"'>He continued: “So we thought, well what could we take that normally wouldn’t behave like that but would be really interesting. And = almost instantly, we came up with the idea of foie = gras.” … Chuck = Gramling ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C82139.EC14D5A0-- From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 21:33:25 -0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: G`day right back at youse, Ed and Leigh, THE book you need is Deni Bown`s WONDERFUL volume, "Aroids--plants of the Arum Family". Be aware that there is NO one book that can inedtify all the aroids that you may come across to their correct species, Deni`s book will give you an overview of all/most aroid genera and many popular and some obscure species, but there are just a very few experts in the world who can most times give you an identification of say an obscure species of Anthurium or Philodendron to the species level. Dr. Tom Croat of Missouri Botanical Garden is generally kind enough to do this with many genera, especially Anthurium, Philodendron, Dieffenbachia, and many others. Pete Boyce is great with Asian aroids, as is Dr. Alistair hay who 'lurks' is great, and will step out to help where he can, Wilbert Hetterschied helps a LOT w/ Amorphophallus and related genera, and Typhonium. Concerning the photo on another post of an Anthurium sp. which develops fruit without pollination, this is fairly common in a few species, but there WAS an inflorsence/bloom present on which the showy red berries developed, it was probably just VERY small and inconspicous, no showy spathe like in A. andreanum and some other species, as since it self-pollinates it may not need to attract insect pollinators, and the red fruits are showy enough to attract birds and other distributers for the fruit/seed. Good Luck and Good Growing! Julius WPB, Florida, USA. >>G'day, I am fairly new to Aroid l, I have been reading posts and trying to >>take it all in to be honest. I haven't been into aroids for that long, but >>I am quite passionate about them. I've got the "bug" so to speak. I was wondering if anyone could recommend a good all round book on aroids so I don't have to annoy people like Steve L for identification etc all the time. I don't trust a lot of the information on non scientific sites on the internet. Any advice would be appreciated. Regards, Ed & Leigh Tropical Collector Queensland Australia _ From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 21:33:25 -0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: Surawit Quoting ExoticRainforest : > As several of us have discussed privately, and a prominent member of this > forum published publicly on a garden website, Dr. Croat has expressed his > opinion in an email that the plant being commonly sold as Anthurium jenmanii > (the one with the purple/red new leaves) is actually Anthurium bonplandii > subsp. guayanum. I published Dr. Croat's email verbatim on my site under both > Anthurium jenmanii and Anthurium bonplandii guayanum. I am now being > criticized publicly for doing so. I don't wish to show a slanted approach. > I simply strive to publish facts that are botanically accurate. Botanist > David Scherberich provided a photo of the species he knows as Anthurium > jenmanii which is now on my site. > > If anyone has an opinion that is opposed to Dr. Croat, please feel free to > send me a private email and I will publish your stated position as well. > Please make it clear why you disagree as concisely as possible and I will > publish your quote along with your name so others may consider your position. > My goal has never been to affect the sale of any plant. It is solely to > publish accurate information. > > http://www.exoticrainforest.com/Anthurium%20jenmaniii%20pc.html > > http://www.exoticrainforest.com/Anthurium%20bonplandii%20pc.html > > Steve Lucas > www.ExoticRainforest.com > > ************************************** > We collect and grow many rare and > exotic tropical plants and orchids. Take > the "Rainforest Tour" at: > http://www.exoticrainforest.com/atriumentrancelarge.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 21:33:25 -0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: be a valuable resource for me. Not every article is a masterpiece, but hidden among the pages are gems that, when discovered, are treasures to be coveted again and again. It is a unique document and it will evolve...adolescent and unruly, but in the end it will mature as a fine wine and we will all toast Julius and savor every drop. Aloha, Leland Miyano --- ju-bo at msn.com wrote: > > > > Sent: Fri 12/07/07 10:41 PM > Reply-to: Discussion of aroids > (aroid-l at gizmoworks.com) > To: Discussion of aroids (aroid-l at gizmoworks.com) > Security scan upon download Trend Micro ? logo > > > Dear Aroid Friends, > > [Especially Derek, Tom, Betsy and Jason!!] > I THINK I`d like to add my voice to this cacaphony. > First off, my hope is that the lurkers who have > negative comments ''come forward into the light'', > as it were, so we can talk and discuss the issues > concerning the content of ''our'' journal, > Aroideana. > My take on ALL the recent issues of Aroideana > stretching back several years is that they have been > close to a perfect balance of scientific/taxonomic > content (see Jason`s break-down, below---thanks, > Jason). > I savor reading them SLOWLY, like I savor a good > wine by taking small sips, or nibbling on TINY > slivers of my late mum`s rum/fruit cake made a month > ago from her recipe with ground fruit which has > soaked in rum and cherry brandy for over two years. > Do I like equally "like"/enjoy ALL the articles in > Aroideana?? NO. But the majority I do enjoy, and I > eventually do get to reading all of them! > To once more ''beat a dead horse'', unless the > MEMBERSHIP steps up to the plate and submit drafts > on ANYTHING dealing with aroids (as Derek and > everyone else must be TIRED of saying/pleading), > Aroideana will stay as a VERY high quality journal > dedicated to Aroids, with a variety of interests > covered. > The IAS newsletter is another matter, I REALLY enjoy > receiving it, and the articles are very > entertaining! GREAT work, Carla!! > Issues and subjects beyond those covered in > Aroideana and the IAS newsletter I firmly believe > are best covered (and I believe presently are > covered!) in the discussions on forums like the > Aroid-l pages, the UBS web site and others like > these. > I leave it to the IAS board to decide if we can > afford more than one issue a year, and if the number > of issues is increased, what the format and size > might be---color or B+W, but the SIZE will be > critical. Those who are calling for four issues a > year MUST bear in mind what the old Aroidanas > consisted of, B+W only, three or four short but > EXTREMELY informative articles, they consisted of > just a thin ''magazine'' stapled together ( I am > presently researching an issue in Volume 2 now!), so > I can already hear the ''screams'' of complaint from > those accostomed to the WONDERFUL large and I am > certain COSTLY issues with color, which Derek Burch, > our present (and for the ''abuse'' which he endures, > grossly ''underpaid'') Editor has managed to produce > for our pleasure. > ENOUGH said from my corner! > Thanks a million to those who have contributed to > this discussion, and Derek, keep up the GREAT work! > > Sincerely, > > Julius Boos > W.P.B., FLORIDA > > >>Dear Betsy: > > This is a nice response! Thank you for replying. > Remember that Derek is proposing that Aroideana be > published several times a year and in color so it > really would be very different from the existing > item. It is true that it might not be conducive to > encouraging new writers to submit but hell, we have > had no success up to now (more than 20 years of > trying) in getting people to submit articles despite > the form of publication. > > Tom > > > From: aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com > [mailto:aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of > Betsy Feuerstein > Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 10:45 AM > To: Discussion of aroids > Subject: [Aroid-l] Aroideana vs. Newsletter - food > for thought > > Perhaps it is for the general membership to realize > that the Newsletter has become so much better and > fun to read that it is OK for Aroideana to be > taxonomic rather than cover both sides of the fence. > I feel certain Carla, the Newsletter editor, would > be delighted with offers of articles from the > membership and just maybe, this is the place for > little articles on more interests by amateurs to be > established. I complained for a long time about the > only technical aspect of Aroideana but just maybe we > can be OK with it all since the Newsletter has > become so much better. One could suggest that we > have only one project by combining the two, but I > personally like getting the Newsletter more often. > Now, it may become a financial situation to contend > with and that would leave an option open for less > cost with one publication and one mailing per year. > This is a good reason for individuals to pay their > dues because we do get in a timely manner, the > publications these days. I can remember when all was > years behind and some gave up on the cause, but now, > that is not an excuse. I know the holidays are here > and paying dues is not what one wants to hear, but > maybe come the first of the year, some of those who > do reep the benefit of Aroid-l and shows and such > will find a way to pay the dues for 2008. Think > about it. We have some very dedicated individuals > who do a really good job working on our behalf these > days. Let's us do our part by making sure our dues > are paid. Of course, if we want more subjects and > our amateur members have knowledge, it is going to > take those individuals to step up to the plate and > offer their expertise in comments and articles so > the rest of us can become more informed. It would > seem to me that the Newsletter would be great place > to get one's feet wet by writing on some subject > that interests you. Or even to propose a question > for others to answer.... even a shorter forum and > less frightening. Start by letting it be known what > you want and then by participating when it all gets > going. > > Betsy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mossytrail" > To: > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 9:00 PM > Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] FW: Aroideana - and help to > get it > > > > >> Dear correspondent, > >> > >> I am very glad that this has reached me [an > interesting > >> letter on the contents of Aroideana - ed], and I > have to > >> say that, as editor I cold not be more aware of > the fact > >> that Aroideana has very little to offer much of > the > >> society's membership. How to correct this is > another > >> matter. > >> > >> The Newsletter is getting > >> better and better, I think, while in Aroideana we > remain a > >> place of good quality taxonomic material and very > little > >> else. > >> So, is your > >> sharing of experience on either topic actively in > your > >> computer even as we correspond ? Bashful about > writing? I > >> can do it for you if you give me an article in > rough form. > >> Not interested in these topics? Well, what the > hell are > >> you interested in, and why I haven't I been told > about it > >> directly, with an offer for a contribution as > part of the > >> communication? > > > > Well! > > > > I don't know who's been complaining about what, > but I > > maintain my membership for professional reasons -- > to stay > > abreast of Aroid research in ANY line of enquiry, > taxonomic > > and otherwise. I always assumed the main purpose > of > > Aroideana was precisely to be an outlet for this > kind of > > specialized work; otherwise we would publish in > BioTropica, > > Actum Botanicum, or any number of more generalized > journals. > > To me, the newsletter is just icing on the cake -- > it is > === message truncated === ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 21:33:25 -0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: sounds like we've got A. hookeri here at the Botanic Gardens Melbourne. I'v= e attached pics of two different individuals, and would love confirmation or denial by those in the know! And a quick, very large thank you to those 'in the know' who do post on thi= s list - to have sound taxonomic, horticultural and often extremely amusing information poured straight into my inbox is a privilege beyond measure. Many thanks, Jeremy P Melbourne, Australia On Dec 10, 2007 5:43 PM, Marek Argent wrote: > Steve, > > When the species name comes from a surname ending with "r" there is alway= s > one "i" - hookeri, bakeri, walkeri one "i" > also when the name ends on "i" or "y" beccarii, karwinskyi. > In other cases there are always 2 "i" - rehmannii, wallisii. > And when te name ends on "a" like Matsuda, the species name is matsudae. > > Marek > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* ExoticRainforest > *To:* Discussion of aroids > *Sent:* Saturday, December 08, 2007 9:39 PM > *Subject:* [Aroid-l] Anthurium hookeri > > Thanks for the input. Shortly after I published that note Dr. Croat, > Julius and Joep Moonen all checked my text and gave additional input. Af= ter > close to 10 years of growing specimens I thought to be* Anthurium hookeri= *, > (or Anthurium hookerii, as they seem to love to spell it) I am amazed I'v= e > never discovered this discrepancy before. But, even more amazing, is all > the information on the internet, and eBay, which continues to show and of= fer > "Anthurium hookeri" with red berries and ruffled leaves. > > Steve Lucas > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Famille FERRY > *To:* Discussion of aroids > *Sent:* Saturday, December 08, 2007 4:04 AM > *Subject:* Re: [Aroid-l] Anthurium hookeri > > Hello Steve, > > I know very well David Scherberich because he determined a lot of > plants for the botanical garden of Nancy. He is an excellent botanist! > We have in culture Anthurium hookeri and it has indeed white berries. > Cordialy, > Genevi�ve > > > > > > __________ NOD32 Informacje 2712 (20071209) __________ > > Wiadomosc zostala sprawdzona przez System Antywirusowy NOD32 > http://www.nod32.com lub http://www.nod32.pl > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Aroid-L mailing list > Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > > > __________ NOD32 Informacje 2712 (20071209) __________ > > Wiadomosc zostala sprawdzona przez System Antywirusowy NOD32 > http://www.nod32.com lub http://www.nod32.pl > > > _______________________________________________ > Aroid-L mailing list > Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > > -- ---- -------- PlantMan - Making the world a better place, one botanical emergency at a time! ------=_Part_30483_29104512.1197415955599 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Hi Steve and Listers, From your descriptions (and not having done th= e proper ID work myself!) it sounds like we've got A. hookeri here at t= he Botanic Gardens Melbourne. I've attached pics of two different indiv= iduals, and would love confirmation or denial by those in the know! And a quick, very large thank you to those 'in the know' wh= o do post on this list - to have sound taxonomic, horticultural and o= ften extremely amusing information poured straight into my inbox is a privi= lege beyond measure. Many thanks, Jeremy P Melbourne, Australia ass="gmail_quote">On Dec 10, 2007 5:43 PM, Marek Argent <abri1973 at wp.pl> wrote: Steve, When the species name comes from a sur= name ending with "r" there is always one "i" - hookeri, bakeri, wal= keri one "i" also when the name ends on "i&quo= t; or "y" beccarii, karwinskyi. In other cases there are always 2 = ;"i" - rehmannii, wallisii. And when te name ends on "a"= like Matsuda, the species name is matsudae. Marek ----- Original Message ----- From: ExoticRainforest To: Discussion of aroids Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 = 9:39 PM Subject: [Aroid-l] Anthurium hookeri Thanks for the input. Shortly after I pu= blished that note Dr. Croat, Julius and Joep Moonen all checked my text= and gave additional input. After close to 10 years of growing spec= imens I thought to be Anthurium hookeri, (or Anthurium hookerii, as they= seem to love to spell it) I am amazed I've never discovered this disc= repancy before. But, even more amazing, is all the information on the inter= net, and eBay, which continues to show and offer "Anthurium hookeri"= with red berries and ruffled leaves. Steve Lucas ----- Original Message ----- From: target="_blank">Famille FERRY To: Discussion of aroids Sent: Saturday, December 08, 200= 7 4:04 AM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Anthurium= hookeri Hello Steve, I know very well David Scherberich because he determined a lot of plants for the botanical garden of= Nancy. He is an excellent botanist! We have in culture Anthurium hoo= keri and it has indeed white berries. Cordialy, Genevi�ve ="4"> _________= _ NOD32 Informacje 2712 (20071209) __________ Wiadomosc zostala sprawdzona= przez System Antywirusowy NOD32 t="_blank">http://www.nod32.com lub arget="_blank">http://www.nod32.pl _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing= list A= roid-L at www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/li= stinfo/aroid-l __________ NOD32 Informacje 2712 (20071209) __________ Wiadomosc zostala sprawdzona przez System Antywirusowy NOD32 http://www.nod32.com lub http://www.nod32.pl= _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list= Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.co= m get="_blank"> http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l = -- ---- -------- PlantMan - Makin= g the world a better place, one botanical emergency at a time! ------=_Part_30483_29104512.1197415955599-- ------=_Part_30482_30854494.1197415955599 Content-Type: image/jpeg; name="Anth Hookeri a.JPG" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 X-Attachment-Id: f_fa32d5e60 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From: abri1973 at wp.pl (Marek Argent) on 2007.11.01 at 06:36:55(16634) Hllo to alll I'm looking for a good photo of Zz variegated to put it it in my pagr Thnx ib adv Marek +More ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Discussion of aroids" Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 5:45 PM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Varigated ZZ`s and more. > Hi Michael, > > the succulent tc lab is this one: > http://www.succulent-tissue-culture.com/EN > > If you find the link to the other one, I'd be interested... > > Bestm, > Bernhard. > ================= > Bernhard Strolka > Uetze, Germany > USDA zone 7 > > > _______________________________________________ > Aroid-L mailing list > Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > > > __________ NOD32 Informacje 2631 (20071101) __________ > > Wiadomosc zostala sprawdzona przez System Antywirusowy NOD32 > http://www.nod32.com lub http://www.nod32.pl > >

From: epiphyte1 at earthlink.net (Adam Black) on 2007.11.02 at 05:55:53(16640) I know that plants with certain viral infections can take on a variegated appearance before the plant wastes away, but I seem to recall mention somewhere of a controversial method of inoculating plants with a particular virus that produces the variegated appearance yet supposedly does not harm the plant. Does this ring a bell with anyone? I can't stand most variegated plants - I prefer the normal colored ones! Adam Black +More Julius Boos wrote: >>From : Michael Mahan >Reply-To : Discussion of aroids >Sent : Monday, October 29, 2007 6:31 AM >To : "'Discussion of aroids'" >Subject : Re: [Aroid-l] Varigated ZZ`s and more. > > > >Dear Friends, > >>From the limited response which was posted thus far, it seems that some >labs/people are in fact using chemicals and other methods to 'create' >varigated "sports'' of plants, some of which soon revert back to an >all-green state, some seem able to "hold" the varigation. >Other varigations (and cultivars differenig from the original) seem to just >"turn up" in batches of plants created from the tissue culture processes, >and are chosen out of large batches as "cultivars' of a certain species. >I guess that we can only wait and see where this trend goes, and meanwhile >let the buyer beware! > >Thanks to all, > >Julius > > > >>>Limited info so far .. as there is a lab that is using a chemical that >>> >>> >induces it (variegation ) while the tissue is being cultured but they >seem >to be holding their cards tightly to the chest as a bunch of agaves are >showing up that way , that lab is in Northeast -New England .. BUT the >outcome is very variable right now & the clones seem to revert back , >some >very fast under good culture & I'll find the link to it but there is >one >lab is in the EU that is doing succulents much the same way & auctioning >off >the mistakes as they are wildly colored .. any variegate collectors be >way >cautious about new clones as the reversions back to green are wide >spread >thru may species from what I am hearing thru rumors from other >dealers/collectors .. seems there are a few well known nurseries >involved >but all this is rumor, So no flaming .. Michael Mahan > >-----Original Message----- >From: aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com >[mailto:aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com] >On Behalf Of Julius Boos >Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 10:05 AM >To: aroid-l at gizmoworks.com >Subject: [Aroid-l] Varigated ZZ`s and more. > > > >>From : Ken Mosher >Reply-To : Discussion of aroids >Sent : Sunday, October 28, 2007 3:19 PM >To : Discussion of aroids >Subject : Re: [Aroid-l] Forms of ZZ plant -thanks + a tissue culture >question > > >Dear Ken, > >Thanks for the info:, from what I`ve heard, there is "something" going >on >with this "varigated" kick, all sorts of plants are popping up in a >varigated form. A friend hinted to me that there is a process being >used >to induce this varigation in MANY plants, just recently I heard of a >couple >plants of varigated Philodendron goeldii for sale in Asia, and even in >other >plant families way too many varigated cultivars are turning up for it >just >to be by chance. >Does anyone have any info. on this?? > >The Best, > >Julius > > > >>>The very expensive Zamioculcas for sale at the IAS show was >>> >>> >variegated. >That's why it was $100. There were several rooted cuttings in each >plastic sleeve and there were two available for sale. > >-Ken Mosher > >Julius Boos wrote: > > >>Dear Adam, >> >>Thanks for the kind words. Remember, I only suggested (in another >> >> >posting) > > >> that the Zamioculcas now commonly available because of tissue >> >> >culture may > > >>be modified and so be larger and more attractive 'selections' than the >> >> >wild > > >>'mother' plant might be. As far as I know little data is availabe on >> >> >these > > >>figures/facts. >>Like you, I like to have at last one wild-collected plant which the >> >> >tissue > > >>cultured plants can be compared to! >>There seem to be quite a few 'new' cultivars/selections which are said >> >> >to > > >>have been individuals selected and propagated from batches produced >> >> >from > > >>tissue culture. Several Alocasias, Philodendrons, Caladiums, etc. >> >> >come to > > >>mind. >>Michael Mahan reports that he saw cuttings of Zamioculcus for sale at >> >> >the > > >>IAS show for over $100.00, and others across the room, large potted >>specimens, for $30.00. I think that we can say that the cheaper ones >> >> >were > > >>the tissue-cultured specimens, I only wish I knew more about the story >>behind the specimens which were being sold for expensive prices! >> >>The Best, >> >>Julius >> >> >_ > > >_______________________________________________ >Aroid-L mailing list >Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com >http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > > >_______________________________________________ >Aroid-L mailing list >Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com >http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/private/aroid-l/attachments/20071102/505d7d51/attachment-0001.htm

From: mmarcotr at email.smith.edu (Michael Marcotrigiano) on 2007.11.02 at 20:30:10(16647) the only virus I know that is graft transmissible and does not do that much harm (besides slowing it down a bit) is Abutilon mosaic virus which is in a few cultivars of variegated Abutilon. There are many aroid viruses that cause mottled yellowing that has no defined sectors and no pattern and are really not nice to have! >>> Adam Black 11/2/2007 1:55 AM >>> I know that plants with certain viral infections can take on a variegated appearance before the plant wastes away, but I seem to recall mention somewhere of a controversial method of inoculating plants with a particular virus that produces the variegated appearance yet supposedly +More does not harm the plant. Does this ring a bell with anyone? I can't stand most variegated plants - I prefer the normal colored ones! Adam Black Julius Boos wrote: >>From : Michael Mahan >Reply-To : Discussion of aroids >Sent : Monday, October 29, 2007 6:31 AM >To : "'Discussion of aroids'" >Subject : Re: [Aroid-l] Varigated ZZ`s and more. > > > >Dear Friends, > >>From the limited response which was posted thus far, it seems that some >labs/people are in fact using chemicals and other methods to 'create' >varigated "sports'' of plants, some of which soon revert back to an >all-green state, some seem able to "hold" the varigation. >Other varigations (and cultivars differenig from the original) seem to just >"turn up" in batches of plants created from the tissue culture processes, >and are chosen out of large batches as "cultivars' of a certain species. >I guess that we can only wait and see where this trend goes, and meanwhile >let the buyer beware! > >Thanks to all, > >Julius > > > >>>Limited info so far .. as there is a lab that is using a chemical that >>> >>> >induces it (variegation ) while the tissue is being cultured but they >seem >to be holding their cards tightly to the chest as a bunch of agaves are >showing up that way , that lab is in Northeast -New England .. BUT the >outcome is very variable right now & the clones seem to revert back , >some >very fast under good culture & I'll find the link to it but there is >one >lab is in the EU that is doing succulents much the same way & auctioning >off >the mistakes as they are wildly colored .. any variegate collectors be >way >cautious about new clones as the reversions back to green are wide >spread >thru may species from what I am hearing thru rumors from other >dealers/collectors .. seems there are a few well known nurseries >involved >but all this is rumor, So no flaming .. Michael Mahan > >-----Original Message----- >From: aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com >[mailto:aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com] >On Behalf Of Julius Boos >Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 10:05 AM >To: aroid-l at gizmoworks.com >Subject: [Aroid-l] Varigated ZZ`s and more. > > > >>From : Ken Mosher >Reply-To : Discussion of aroids >Sent : Sunday, October 28, 2007 3:19 PM >To : Discussion of aroids >Subject : Re: [Aroid-l] Forms of ZZ plant -thanks + a tissue culture >question > > >Dear Ken, > >Thanks for the info:, from what I`ve heard, there is "something" going >on >with this "varigated" kick, all sorts of plants are popping up in a >varigated form. A friend hinted to me that there is a process being >used >to induce this varigation in MANY plants, just recently I heard of a >couple >plants of varigated Philodendron goeldii for sale in Asia, and even in >other >plant families way too many varigated cultivars are turning up for it >just >to be by chance. >Does anyone have any info. on this?? > >The Best, > >Julius > > > >>>The very expensive Zamioculcas for sale at the IAS show was >>> >>> >variegated. >That's why it was $100. There were several rooted cuttings in each >plastic sleeve and there were two available for sale. > >-Ken Mosher > >Julius Boos wrote: > > >>Dear Adam, >> >>Thanks for the kind words. Remember, I only suggested (in another >> >> >posting) > > >> that the Zamioculcas now commonly available because of tissue >> >> >culture may > > >>be modified and so be larger and more attractive 'selections' than the >> >> >wild > > >>'mother' plant might be. As far as I know little data is availabe on >> >> >these > > >>figures/facts. >>Like you, I like to have at last one wild-collected plant which the >> >> >tissue > > >>cultured plants can be compared to! >>There seem to be quite a few 'new' cultivars/selections which are said >> >> >to > > >>have been individuals selected and propagated from batches produced >> >> >from > > >>tissue culture. Several Alocasias, Philodendrons, Caladiums, etc. >> >> >come to > > >>mind. >>Michael Mahan reports that he saw cuttings of Zamioculcus for sale at >> >> >the > > >>IAS show for over $100.00, and others across the room, large potted >>specimens, for $30.00. I think that we can say that the cheaper ones >> >> >were > > >>the tissue-cultured specimens, I only wish I knew more about the story >>behind the specimens which were being sold for expensive prices! >> >>The Best, >> >>Julius >> >> >_ > > >_______________________________________________ >Aroid-L mailing list >Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com >http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > > >_______________________________________________ >Aroid-L mailing list >Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com >http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > > > >

From: plantguy at zoominternet.net (Daniel Devor) on 2007.11.02 at 21:19:34(16648) Hi Bernhard, I can tell you that many aminoglycosides can cause read-through of stop codons. The ones that I was most familiar with back then were neomycin and gentamicin....both insanely common in any science lab in the world. These were not the ones I used I am pretty sure, but honestly, this was atleast 5 years ago so do not remember what aminoglycoside I used. I'm sure a 5 minute search of the scientific literature would turn it up. As I recall, I came across this when reading more about the molecular biology of premature stop codon read-through for CF therapy and thought, hey that could be fun to fiddle with at home. Perhaps we could all sit at home and make designer aroids for ourselves, but I would worry that this schlock would end up on ebay along with some of the rest of the garbage that can be found there. Happy mutating everyone, Dan +More Dan Devor Gibsonia, PA ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Discussion of aroids" Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 1:15 PM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Varigated ZZ`s and more. Dan, could you specify the antibiotics that cause this? Curious, Bernhard. ========================= Bernhard Strolka Uetze, Germany USDA zone 7 (two nights with frost so far......) -----Original Message----- Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 23:25:42 +0100 Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Varigated ZZ`s and more. From: "Daniel Devor" To: "Discussion of aroids" .... ..and YES, these antibiotics if used in too high a concentration cause total albinism in both Arisaema and Amorphophallus seedlings....unpublished observations from my own back-yard lab :o) .... Dan Dan Devor Gibsonia, PA where we finally had our first frost last night :o) _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

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