Anthurium veitchii types

From: "Windy Aubrey" <exotics at hawaii.rr.com> on 2007.06.26 at 21:05:25(15876)  I was wondering about these two very different types of A. veitchii that I have been growing for a while. One form is the more typical one I had seen around for years, with wide folds and pleats in the 3 ' long thick blade. The other form has much tighter pleats, a much, much longer and thinner in width and textured blade. Also this different than normal form has a spandex that turns pink. The more typical form's spadix turns greenish. +More Would these two forms both be considered the same species? If anyone has an opinion I would really be interested in it. This has had me sort of baffled as to what would be the correct label to put on it. Thanks, Windy Your message is ready to be sent with the following file or link attachments:DSCN3746.jpgDSCN5658.jpgDSCN5919.jpgDSCN6024.jpgDSCN6114.jpgDSCN6525.jpgNote: To protect against computer viruses, e-mail programs may prevent sending or receiving certain types of file attachments. Check your e-mail security settings to determine how attachments are handled. Attachment: DSCN3746.jpg Description: JPEG image Attachment: DSCN5658.jpg Description: JPEG image Attachment: DSCN5919.jpg Description: JPEG image Attachment: DSCN6024.jpg Description: JPEG image Attachment: DSCN6114.jpg Description: JPEG image Attachment: DSCN6525.jpg Description: JPEG image _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "Julius Boos" <ju-bo at msn.com> on 2007.06.26 at 23:40:39(15878) Reply-To : Discussion of aroids Sent : Tuesday, June 26, 2007 9:05 PM To : "Discussion of aroids" Subject : [Aroid-l] Anthurium veitchii types Attachment : DSCN3746.jpg (0.07 MB), DSCN5658.jpg (0.05 MB), DSCN5919.jpg (0.06 MB), DSCN6024.jpg (0.07 MB), DSCN6114.jpg (0.04 MB), DSCN6525.jpg (0.08 MB) ï » ¿ Dear Windy, First off, thank you for sharing the great photos of your beautiful plants with all of us on aroid-l, they are true treasures, all of them! Now to my opinion, and it is only an opinion! I think that you can atribute the differences in the two forms of your A. veitchii to what I have begun calling ''collectors choice syndrome". This occurs when a collector goes into the field, and finds a large population of a certain beautiful plant. Human nature DEMANDS that he choose THE most attractive (to her/him) specimens and bring them back to cultivation. The 'dogs' of this particular species he has located remain in the field, and so only 'beautiful' plants of this species become established in cultivation!. Another thing that happens is that in a widely distributed species, he/she may come across populations located a great distance from each other, they may be quite different superficailly to each other, such as your two forms of A. veitchii, different, but both are beautiful examples of this species and within the range of variation for that species. Recently I was shown a 'compact' form of a Philo. species, that particular grower/owner thought it much more attractive to the more 'common' form. In time, a plant or animal is selectivly bred until it really does not resemble its 'wild' form. Off my soap box now! I HOPE this helps! Julius +More I was wondering about these two very different types of A. veitchii that I have been growing for a while. One form is the more typical one I had seen around for years, with wide folds and pleats in the 3 ' long thick blade. The other form has much tighter pleats, a much, much longer and thinner in width and textured blade. Also this different than normal form has a spandex that turns pink. The more typical form's spadix turns greenish. Would these two forms both be considered the same species? If anyone has an opinion I would really be interested in it. This has had me sort of baffled as to what would be the correct label to put on it. Thanks, Windy<< _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "Tom Croat" <Thomas.Croat at mobot.org> on 2007.06.28 at 01:11:03(15882) Dear Windy: They certainly are both stunning and different I admit but taxonomically they are surely both A. veitchii. I suspect that if we had all the variation that is exhibited in the wild, rather than just these two forms we would see that they are less distinct from one another. Tom +More Tom Croat, P. A. Schulze Curator of Botany Missouri Botanical Garden Box 299, St. Louis, Missouri 63116 (314) 577-5163 Thomas.Croat@mobot.org Please send images to our FTP Server. ftp://garfile:garden2003@cissus.mobot.org/incoming/croat ftp://garfile:garden2003@cissus.mobot.org/outgoing/croat Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 4:05 PM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: [Aroid-l] Anthurium veitchii types I was wondering about these two very different types of A. veitchii that I have been growing for a while. One form is the more typical one I had seen around for years, with wide folds and pleats in the 3 ' long thick blade. The other form has much tighter pleats, a much, much longer and thinner in width and textured blade. Also this different than normal form has a spandex that turns pink. The more typical form's spadix turns greenish. Would these two forms both be considered the same species? If anyone has an opinion I would really be interested in it. This has had me sort of baffled as to what would be the correct label to put on it. Thanks, Windy Your message is ready to be sent with the following file or link attachments: DSCN3746.jpg DSCN5658.jpg DSCN5919.jpg DSCN6024.jpg DSCN6114.jpg DSCN6525.jpg Note: To protect against computer viruses, e-mail programs may prevent sending or receiving certain types of file attachments. Check your e-mail security settings to determine how attachments are handled. _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "Windy Aubrey" <exotics at hawaii.rr.com> on 2007.06.28 at 21:56:18(15888) Dear Julius and Tom, Thank you both for your input and kind words. I appreciated the feedback and will continue to call them both A. veitchii. Windy +More ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Croat To: Discussion of aroids Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 3:11 PM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Anthurium veitchii types Dear Windy: They certainly are both stunning and different I admit but taxonomically they are surely both A. veitchii. I suspect that if we had all the variation that is exhibited in the wild, rather than just these two forms we would see that they are less distinct from one another. Tom Tom Croat, P. A. Schulze Curator of Botany Missouri Botanical Garden Box 299, St. Louis, Missouri 63116 (314) 577-5163 Thomas.Croat@mobot.org Please send images to our FTP Server. ftp://garfile:garden2003@cissus.mobot.org/incoming/croat ftp://garfile:garden2003@cissus.mobot.org/outgoing/croat From: aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Windy AubreySent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 4:05 PMTo: Discussion of aroidsSubject: [Aroid-l] Anthurium veitchii types I was wondering about these two very different types of A. veitchii that I have been growing for a while. One form is the more typical one I had seen around for years, with wide folds and pleats in the 3 ' long thick blade. The other form has much tighter pleats, a much, much longer and thinner in width and textured blade. Also this different than normal form has a spandex that turns pink. The more typical form's spadix turns greenish. Would these two forms both be considered the same species? If anyone has an opinion I would really be interested in it. This has had me sort of baffled as to what would be the correct label to put on it. Thanks, Windy Your message is ready to be sent with the following file or link attachments:DSCN3746.jpgDSCN5658.jpgDSCN5919.jpgDSCN6024.jpgDSCN6114.jpgDSCN6525.jpgNote: To protect against computer viruses, e-mail programs may prevent sending or receiving certain types of file attachments. Check your e-mail security settings to determine how attachments are handled. _______________________________________________Aroid-L mailing listAroid-L@www.gizmoworks.comhttp://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

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