Is this a Epipremnum?

From: Isla Verde <xeen_sg at yahoo.com> on 2007.06.07 at 03:46:41(15742) Photographed in lowland forests of Singapore and Malaysia. Thanks Calvin Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. +More _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "Peter Boyce" <botanist at malesiana.com> on 2007.06.07 at 04:18:36(15743) Hi Calvin, This is Epipremnum giganteum. Very best Pete +More ----- Original Message ----- From: Isla Verde To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 11:46 AM Subject: [Aroid-l] Is this a Epipremnum? Photographed in lowland forests of Singapore and Malaysia. Thanks Calvin Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. _______________________________________________Aroid-l mailing listAroid-l@gizmoworks.comhttp://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: Isla Verde <xeen_sg at yahoo.com> on 2007.06.07 at 05:21:33(15744) Thanks Peter! It doesn't appear to be gigantic after all. Even Epi aureum looks bigger. Perhaps this was a juvenile? Calvin Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! +More _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "Peter Boyce" <botanist at malesiana.com> on 2007.06.07 at 09:04:21(15745) Hi Calvin, This is indeed a juvenile; mature E. giganteum produces a stiff but thin-textured surf-board-sized leaf from a vine that I have seen on several occasions reaching the canopy of 40 m + dipterocarps, descending to the ground and the reaching the canopy of another 40 m + tree. Truly gitgantic!; Rhaphidophora megaphylla gets still larger... +More ----- Original Message ----- From: Isla Verde To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 1:21 PM Subject: [Aroid-l] Re: Is this a Epipremnum? Thanks Peter! It doesn't appear to be gigantic after all. Even Epi aureum looks bigger. Perhaps this was a juvenile? Calvin Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! _______________________________________________Aroid-l mailing listAroid-l@gizmoworks.comhttp://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: RAYMOMATTLA at cs.com on 2007.06.07 at 23:19:40(15747) Its a beauty! Peter, is it common/normal for Epipremnum giganteum to have these rippled or wavy leaves as seen in Calvin's picture? Its too far to tell, but there is a plant growing at the Kampong in Miami that looks very close to it, but doesnt have this characteristic. I believe it is labeled Rhodospatha venosum but I may be wrong....it doesnt look too much like that species from pics Ive seen. I have also heard that it was Amyrdium magnificum....but isnt this an old name for Amydrium zippelianum....which the plant is question is definately not! I think you also mention in one of your articles in a relatively recent Aroideana that E. giganteaum can be seen occasionally in collections in South Florida? Perhaps this is the mystery climber at the Kampong? Thanks, Michael +More _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "Peter Boyce" <botanist at malesiana.com> on 2007.06.08 at 10:12:48(15748) Hi Michael, When juvenile the leaves of E. giganteum are often rippled in this manner. Once it is larger, the leaves tend to be smooth. Monsteroid climbers, even in different genera, often look rather similar so I would need to see a photograph of the plant in the Kampong in order to have a chance of id-ing it. Amydrium zippellanum is the same as A. magnificum; this is VERY distinctive and if the plant in the Kampong looks like E. giganteum then it is certainly NOT A. zippelianum. If you can send me an image I will have a go at naming. Very best Pete +More ----- Original Message ----- From: RAYMOMATTLA@cs.com To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 7:19 AM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Is this a Epipremnum? Its a beauty!Peter, is it common/normal for Epipremnum giganteum to have these rippled or wavy leaves as seen in Calvin's picture? Its too far to tell, but there is a plant growing at the Kampong in Miami that looks very close to it, but doesnt have this characteristic. I believe it is labeled Rhodospatha venosum but I may be wrong....it doesnt look too much like that species from pics Ive seen. I have also heard that it was Amyrdium magnificum....but isnt this an old name for Amydrium zippelianum....which the plant is question is definately not!I think you also mention in one of your articles in a relatively recent Aroideana that E. giganteaum can be seen occasionally in collections in South Florida? Perhaps this is the mystery climber at the Kampong?Thanks,Michael _______________________________________________Aroid-l mailing listAroid-l@gizmoworks.comhttp://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "Tom Croat" <Thomas.Croat at mobot.org> on 2007.06.11 at 19:20:07(15771) Dear Pete: I have done the araceae of the Kampong and have a powerpoint with most of the species. I seem to remember that I have a Raphidophora montanum there. I am curious what name you put on this plant. If Michael does not have images I can send them. Tom +More Tom Croat, P. A. Schulze Curator of Botany Missouri Botanical Garden Box 299, St. Louis, Missouri 63116 (314) 577-5163 Thomas.Croat@mobot.org Please send images to our FTP Server. ftp://garfile:garden2003@cissus.mobot.org/incoming/croat ftp://garfile:garden2003@cissus.mobot.org/outgoing/croat Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 5:13 AM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Is this a Epipremnum? Hi Michael, When juvenile the leaves of E. giganteum are often rippled in this manner. Once it is larger, the leaves tend to be smooth. Monsteroid climbers, even in different genera, often look rather similar so I would need to see a photograph of the plant in the Kampong in order to have a chance of id-ing it. Amydrium zippellanum is the same as A. magnificum; this is VERY distinctive and if the plant in the Kampong looks like E. giganteum then it is certainly NOT A. zippelianum. If you can send me an image I will have a go at naming. Very best Pete ----- Original Message ----- To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 7:19 AM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Is this a Epipremnum? Its a beauty! Peter, is it common/normal for Epipremnum giganteum to have these rippled or wavy leaves as seen in Calvin's picture? Its too far to tell, but there is a plant growing at the Kampong in Miami that looks very close to it, but doesnt have this characteristic. I believe it is labeled Rhodospatha venosum but I may be wrong....it doesnt look too much like that species from pics Ive seen. I have also heard that it was Amyrdium magnificum....but isnt this an old name for Amydrium zippelianum....which the plant is question is definately not! I think you also mention in one of your articles in a relatively recent Aroideana that E. giganteaum can be seen occasionally in collections in South Florida? Perhaps this is the mystery climber at the Kampong? Thanks, Michael _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "Peter Boyce" <botanist at malesiana.com> on 2007.06.12 at 20:36:20(15777) Dear Tom: I have not heard back from Michael so if you could send along an image that would be great. Many thanks Pete +More ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Croat To: Discussion of aroids Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 3:20 AM Subject: RE: [Aroid-l] Is this a Epipremnum? Dear Pete: I have done the araceae of the Kampong and have a powerpoint with most of the species. I seem to remember that I have a Raphidophora montanum there. I am curious what name you put on this plant. If Michael does not have images I can send them. Tom Tom Croat, P. A. Schulze Curator of Botany Missouri Botanical Garden Box 299, St. Louis, Missouri 63116 (314) 577-5163 Thomas.Croat@mobot.org Please send images to our FTP Server. ftp://garfile:garden2003@cissus.mobot.org/incoming/croat ftp://garfile:garden2003@cissus.mobot.org/outgoing/croat From: aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Peter BoyceSent: Friday, June 08, 2007 5:13 AMTo: Discussion of aroidsSubject: Re: [Aroid-l] Is this a Epipremnum? Hi Michael, When juvenile the leaves of E. giganteum are often rippled in this manner. Once it is larger, the leaves tend to be smooth. Monsteroid climbers, even in different genera, often look rather similar so I would need to see a photograph of the plant in the Kampong in order to have a chance of id-ing it. Amydrium zippellanum is the same as A. magnificum; this is VERY distinctive and if the plant in the Kampong looks like E. giganteum then it is certainly NOT A. zippelianum. If you can send me an image I will have a go at naming. Very best Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: RAYMOMATTLA@cs.com To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 7:19 AM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Is this a Epipremnum? Its a beauty!Peter, is it common/normal for Epipremnum giganteum to have these rippled or wavy leaves as seen in Calvin's picture? Its too far to tell, but there is a plant growing at the Kampong in Miami that looks very close to it, but doesnt have this characteristic. I believe it is labeled Rhodospatha venosum but I may be wrong....it doesnt look too much like that species from pics Ive seen. I have also heard that it was Amyrdium magnificum....but isnt this an old name for Amydrium zippelianum....which the plant is question is definately not!I think you also mention in one of your articles in a relatively recent Aroideana that E. giganteaum can be seen occasionally in collections in South Florida? Perhaps this is the mystery climber at the Kampong?Thanks,Michael _______________________________________________Aroid-l mailing listAroid-l@gizmoworks.comhttp://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________Aroid-l mailing listAroid-l@gizmoworks.comhttp://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

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