arums + arisaema triphyllum

From: "Agoston Janos" <agoston.janos at citromail.hu> on 2007.04.30 at 14:54:12(15612) Dear All, I need a bit help. In the attachment you will find some unnamed Arum. I have no idear what it can be... The other 2 are Arum orientale. Is it common that spathe have different markings at this species? My Arisaema triphyllum had brown-white spathe, but it has got green-white spathe this year. Is this chanage he spathe color also or it depends on the sexuality of the inflorescence? Thany in advance! +More Bye, Jani Attachment: Arum orientale.JPG Description: JPEG image Attachment: Arum orientale2.JPG Description: JPEG image Attachment: PICT7543.JPG Description: JPEG image Attachment: PICT7547.JPG Description: JPEG image Attachment: PICT7576.JPG Description: JPEG image Attachment: PICT7582.JPG Description: JPEG image _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "Peter Boyce" <botanist at malesiana.com> on 2007.05.01 at 05:21:42(15615) Hi Jani, Arum orientale is a highly variable species in the same way as A. maculatum, A. italicum, &c. Your A. orientale2 is pretty much 'typical' for the species. The image of the spotted form is certainly an unusual plant. Did you notice if there was any difference in the smell produced at anthesis? Other expressions have the spadix appendix wholly yellow, or purple with a yellow stipe, or vice versa and the spathe ranging from completely green to completely pale purple with all intermediate combinations. Your unknown Arum is A. rupicola from Turkey and much of the middle east through into N. Iraq & N. Iran west of the Caspian (replaced NE of the Caspian by A. korolkowii and SE of the Caspian by A. jacquemontii), southern Azerbaijan, Armenia. It also occurs on Lesbos and Cyprus. This is a highly variable species with several synonyms of which A. conophalloides and A. detruncatum are the most often seen. Best wishes Peter +More ----- Original Message ----- From: Agoston Janos To: AROID-L Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 10:54 PM Subject: [Aroid-l] arums + arisaema triphyllum Dear All, I need a bit help. In the attachment you will find some unnamed Arum. I have no idear what it can be... The other 2 are Arum orientale. Is it common that spathe have different markings at this species? My Arisaema triphyllum had brown-white spathe, but it has got green-white spathe this year. Is this chanage he spathe color also or it depends on the sexuality of the inflorescence? Thany in advance! Bye, Jani _______________________________________________Aroid-l mailing listAroid-l@gizmoworks.comhttp://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "Agoston Janos" <agoston.janos at citromail.hu> on 2007.05.01 at 08:51:14(15616) Dear Peter, Thank you for the explanation. For A. orientale I did not nosed any difference. The A. rupicola has came also as Dracunculus vulgaris. You also helped me identifying A. dioscorides, which came also from the same source as Dracunculus. Maybe a 3rd Arum shows up, cause I have 3 Arum tubers... I would like to ask you if it is possible, that these Arums do not flower because of serious cold weathers? I have these tubers for 3 years now, and this winters weather was very mild. We have had only -10 °C. They haven't bloomed yet, but tubers were big (compared to A. maculatum...) and usally a tuber had 3 or 4 leaves. Is this possible? Thank you for the ID! Bye, Jani +More ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Boyce To: Discussion of aroids Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 7:21 AM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] arums + arisaema triphyllum Hi Jani, Arum orientale is a highly variable species in the same way as A. maculatum, A. italicum, &c. Your A. orientale2 is pretty much 'typical' for the species. The image of the spotted form is certainly an unusual plant. Did you notice if there was any difference in the smell produced at anthesis? Other expressions have the spadix appendix wholly yellow, or purple with a yellow stipe, or vice versa and the spathe ranging from completely green to completely pale purple with all intermediate combinations. Your unknown Arum is A. rupicola from Turkey and much of the middle east through into N. Iraq & N. Iran west of the Caspian (replaced NE of the Caspian by A. korolkowii and SE of the Caspian by A. jacquemontii), southern Azerbaijan, Armenia. It also occurs on Lesbos and Cyprus. This is a highly variable species with several synonyms of which A. conophalloides and A. detruncatum are the most often seen. Best wishes Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Agoston Janos To: AROID-L Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 10:54 PM Subject: [Aroid-l] arums + arisaema triphyllum Dear All, I need a bit help. In the attachment you will find some unnamed Arum. I have no idear what it can be... The other 2 are Arum orientale. Is it common that spathe have different markings at this species? My Arisaema triphyllum had brown-white spathe, but it has got green-white spathe this year. Is this chanage he spathe color also or it depends on the sexuality of the inflorescence? Thany in advance! Bye, Jani _______________________________________________Aroid-l mailing listAroid-l@gizmoworks.comhttp://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________Aroid-l mailing listAroid-l@gizmoworks.comhttp://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "Peter Boyce" <botanist at malesiana.com> on 2007.05.01 at 22:34:17(15618) Dear Jani, It is certainly possible that some of your Arum do not flower because of cold winters, especially the coastal Mediterranean species (such as A. dioscoridis, A. creticum, A. italicum, A. purpureospathum, &c.) which experience a cool damp winter during which most of their foliage development occurs following the autumn emergence of leaves. However, for species from continental climates (such as A. rupicola, A. korolkowii, &c.) the more crucial aspect to ensuring flowering is hot summers to 'ripen' the tuber. In nature these continental species experience a short, warm, wet spring (wetness enhanced by snow melt), then a long and very hot (40+ C) dry summer followed by a short, warm, wet autumn during which root development starts but no aerial shoot emerges. The very deep (often nearly 1 m down) tubers pass the intense winter in a 'ready to go' state and burst into growth with the onset of spring, developing foliage, flowering and fruiting in the space of 3 months, with fruit dispersal occurring as the summer heat and drought begins to bite. In order to copy this you need to give these species a long, dry summer rest BUT you need to be careful doing this in pots since in the confines of a pot the tubers can overheat and desiccate. Remember that in nature the tubers are very deep in the soil and buffered from the extreme heat of the summer and also never fully dry; they tend to favour limestone-derived terra-rossa clays that are not only ultra-fertile but also moisture retentive. Best wishes Peter +More ----- Original Message ----- From: Agoston Janos To: Discussion of aroids Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 4:51 PM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] arums + arisaema triphyllum Dear Peter, Thank you for the explanation. For A. orientale I did not nosed any difference. The A. rupicola has came also as Dracunculus vulgaris. You also helped me identifying A. dioscorides, which came also from the same source as Dracunculus. Maybe a 3rd Arum shows up, cause I have 3 Arum tubers... I would like to ask you if it is possible, that these Arums do not flower because of serious cold weathers? I have these tubers for 3 years now, and this winters weather was very mild. We have had only -10 °C. They haven't bloomed yet, but tubers were big (compared to A. maculatum...) and usally a tuber had 3 or 4 leaves. Is this possible? Thank you for the ID! Bye, Jani ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Boyce To: Discussion of aroids Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 7:21 AM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] arums + arisaema triphyllum Hi Jani, Arum orientale is a highly variable species in the same way as A. maculatum, A. italicum, &c. Your A. orientale2 is pretty much 'typical' for the species. The image of the spotted form is certainly an unusual plant. Did you notice if there was any difference in the smell produced at anthesis? Other expressions have the spadix appendix wholly yellow, or purple with a yellow stipe, or vice versa and the spathe ranging from completely green to completely pale purple with all intermediate combinations. Your unknown Arum is A. rupicola from Turkey and much of the middle east through into N. Iraq & N. Iran west of the Caspian (replaced NE of the Caspian by A. korolkowii and SE of the Caspian by A. jacquemontii), southern Azerbaijan, Armenia. It also occurs on Lesbos and Cyprus. This is a highly variable species with several synonyms of which A. conophalloides and A. detruncatum are the most often seen. Best wishes Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Agoston Janos To: AROID-L Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 10:54 PM Subject: [Aroid-l] arums + arisaema triphyllum Dear All, I need a bit help. In the attachment you will find some unnamed Arum. I have no idear what it can be... The other 2 are Arum orientale. Is it common that spathe have different markings at this species? My Arisaema triphyllum had brown-white spathe, but it has got green-white spathe this year. Is this chanage he spathe color also or it depends on the sexuality of the inflorescence? Thany in advance! Bye, Jani _______________________________________________Aroid-l mailing listAroid-l@gizmoworks.comhttp://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________Aroid-l mailing listAroid-l@gizmoworks.comhttp://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________Aroid-l mailing listAroid-l@gizmoworks.comhttp://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "Agoston Janos" <agoston.janos at citromail.hu> on 2007.05.04 at 09:29:51(15626) Thank you for the cultivation tips! They did not get any hot summer or mild winters except last year. They were planted under a tree, as formerly I did not know how to tret them.. Tnak you again! +More ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Boyce To: Discussion of aroids Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 12:34 AM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] arums + arisaema triphyllum Dear Jani, It is certainly possible that some of your Arum do not flower because of cold winters, especially the coastal Mediterranean species (such as A. dioscoridis, A. creticum, A. italicum, A. purpureospathum, &c.) which experience a cool damp winter during which most of their foliage development occurs following the autumn emergence of leaves. However, for species from continental climates (such as A. rupicola, A. korolkowii, &c.) the more crucial aspect to ensuring flowering is hot summers to 'ripen' the tuber. In nature these continental species experience a short, warm, wet spring (wetness enhanced by snow melt), then a long and very hot (40+ C) dry summer followed by a short, warm, wet autumn during which root development starts but no aerial shoot emerges. The very deep (often nearly 1 m down) tubers pass the intense winter in a 'ready to go' state and burst into growth with the onset of spring, developing foliage, flowering and fruiting in the space of 3 months, with fruit dispersal occurring as the summer heat and drought begins to bite. In order to copy this you need to give these species a long, dry summer rest BUT you need to be careful doing this in pots since in the confines of a pot the tubers can overheat and desiccate. Remember that in nature the tubers are very deep in the soil and buffered from the extreme heat of the summer and also never fully dry; they tend to favour limestone-derived terra-rossa clays that are not only ultra-fertile but also moisture retentive. Best wishes Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Agoston Janos To: Discussion of aroids Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 4:51 PM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] arums + arisaema triphyllum Dear Peter, Thank you for the explanation. For A. orientale I did not nosed any difference. The A. rupicola has came also as Dracunculus vulgaris. You also helped me identifying A. dioscorides, which came also from the same source as Dracunculus. Maybe a 3rd Arum shows up, cause I have 3 Arum tubers... I would like to ask you if it is possible, that these Arums do not flower because of serious cold weathers? I have these tubers for 3 years now, and this winters weather was very mild. We have had only -10 °C. They haven't bloomed yet, but tubers were big (compared to A. maculatum...) and usally a tuber had 3 or 4 leaves. Is this possible? Thank you for the ID! Bye, Jani ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Boyce To: Discussion of aroids Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 7:21 AM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] arums + arisaema triphyllum Hi Jani, Arum orientale is a highly variable species in the same way as A. maculatum, A. italicum, &c. Your A. orientale2 is pretty much 'typical' for the species. The image of the spotted form is certainly an unusual plant. Did you notice if there was any difference in the smell produced at anthesis? Other expressions have the spadix appendix wholly yellow, or purple with a yellow stipe, or vice versa and the spathe ranging from completely green to completely pale purple with all intermediate combinations. Your unknown Arum is A. rupicola from Turkey and much of the middle east through into N. Iraq & N. Iran west of the Caspian (replaced NE of the Caspian by A. korolkowii and SE of the Caspian by A. jacquemontii), southern Azerbaijan, Armenia. It also occurs on Lesbos and Cyprus. This is a highly variable species with several synonyms of which A. conophalloides and A. detruncatum are the most often seen. Best wishes Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Agoston Janos To: AROID-L Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 10:54 PM Subject: [Aroid-l] arums + arisaema triphyllum Dear All, I need a bit help. In the attachment you will find some unnamed Arum. I have no idear what it can be... The other 2 are Arum orientale. Is it common that spathe have different markings at this species? My Arisaema triphyllum had brown-white spathe, but it has got green-white spathe this year. Is this chanage he spathe color also or it depends on the sexuality of the inflorescence? Thany in advance! Bye, Jani _______________________________________________Aroid-l mailing listAroid-l@gizmoworks.comhttp://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________Aroid-l mailing listAroid-l@gizmoworks.comhttp://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________Aroid-l mailing listAroid-l@gizmoworks.comhttp://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________Aroid-l mailing listAroid-l@gizmoworks.comhttp://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

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