Philo. seed from S. America

From: "Julius Boos" <ju-bo at msn.com> on 2007.04.28 at 13:19:01(15604) Dear Friends, I would like to 're-visit' the issue from several years ago when we (or at least some of us) sent money and ordered what were supposed to be seeds of several scarce Philodendron species from a Company in S. America. As we may recall, some of these seeds that were labeled as P. saxicolum and P. adamantinum germinated and grew, but most turned out to be Philo. bipinnatifidium (P. 'selloum') or something VERY close to this species. Other vining species of Philodendron grew, and appeared in fact to be what they were labled and sold as. I have been trying to get information from other folks who ordered and grew these seeds, and have at least ONE report of plants that grew from seed labled as P. saxicolum that are NOT P. saxicolum, but also are NOT P. bipinnatifidium ("selloum")!!! They are now blooming, and the report is that some of the spathes are smaller than 'normal' and somewhat deformed, which might indicate a plant of hybrid origin. If anyone has plants that they can identify as being from this Company, please give us a report, or better yet photos of what they grew up to be! Thanks in advance, Julius Boos, WPB, FLORIDA +More _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "Susan Cox" <snalice at dslextreme.com> on 2007.04.28 at 23:07:29(15605) Dear Julius, I took part in that order from South America. I ordered quite a few different varieties all of which germinated. The only plants that I grew to maturity were, what were named to be, P. salloum (bipinatifidum), P. wendlandii, and P. erubescense. As far as I know, all were named correctly...as far as I know. I took part in the most recent order also and have grown P. crassinervium (spelled on their lable 'crassirhyrum' which I didn't recognize) and P. imbe, and P. wendlandii, but they are still immature, pretty much. You might be able to identify them at this point. I can send photos of these plants, other than the original P. wendlandii as I hung it high and forgot about it too often. The most recent wendlandii will be represented in the photos. Where would you like photos sent? Susan Cox +More _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "Julius Boos" <ju-bo at msn.com> on 2007.04.29 at 11:12:58(15609) r Reply-To : Discussion of aroids Sent : Saturday, April 28, 2007 11:07 PM To : "Discussion of aroids" Subject : Re: [Aroid-l] Philo. seed from S. America Dear Susan, Thanks for the reply. From what you tell me, I will not need any photos of your particular plants, as I am mainly interested in trying to determine if any of the rarer 'self-headers' (Meconostigmas) such as P. saxicolum, P. adamantinum, P. undulatum, P. paludicola, etc. grew to be what they were advertized and sold as. Thanks for the reply! The Very Best, Julius +More Dear Julius, I took part in that order from South America. I ordered quite a few different varieties all of which germinated. The only plants that I grew to maturity were, what were named to be, P. 'selloum' (bipinatifidum), P. wendlandii, and P. erubescense. As far as I know, all were named correctly...as far as I know. I took part in the most recent order also and have grown P. crassinervium (spelled on their lable 'crassirhyrum' which I didn't recognize) and P. imbe, and P. wendlandii, but they are still immature, pretty much. You might be able to identify them at this point. I can send photos of these plants, other than the original P. wendlandii as I hung it high and forgot about it too often. The most recent wendlandii will be represented in the photos. Where would you like photos sent? Susan Cox<< ___ _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: Victor Soukup <soukupvg at email.uc.edu> on 2007.04.30 at 14:10:00(15611) Julius, I am very glad that you have opened this question because I also was a participant in the Philodendron sp seed purchase from Alvim Seidel. However, as you and most others by this time, know, I am hardly a grower. I wanted the seeds for my study of the acids of the seed lipids of Araceae, and this seemed like a good way to get many species analyzed. The seeds I used were all shared with others --- I used only seed from packets which others were to grow. The analyses went very well and most of the seed gave very very similar (identical ?) results. At first this seemed very good but after the first time that someone raised a question about the true identity of the seeds, it became evident that my results were fine for showing the very close similarity of the seed lipid acids in the genus but they couldn't be related to species. Now however, if some of the growers who played with these seeds can relate certain ones to the real names, my data may be more useful than I had thought. So, if those who played with these seeds had success in germinating and growing-on the plants to identifiable names, which can be related back to the names under which the seeds were obtained, I would very much like to hear from you. It would be very helpful. Warm regards, Vic +More Victor G. Soukup PhD Herbarium University of Cincinnati At 01:19 PM 4/28/2007 +0000, you wrote: Dear Friends, I would like to 're-visit' the issue from several years ago when we (or at least some of us) sent money and ordered what were supposed to be seeds of several scarce Philodendron species from a Company in S. America. As we may recall, some of these seeds that were labeled as P. saxicolum and P. adamantinum germinated and grew, but most turned out to be Philo. bipinnatifidium (P. 'selloum') or something VERY close to this species. Other vining species of Philodendron grew, and appeared in fact to be what they were labled and sold as. I have been trying to get information from other folks who ordered and grew these seeds, and have at least ONE report of plants that grew from seed labled as P. saxicolum that are NOT P. saxicolum, but also are NOT P. bipinnatifidium ("selloum")!!! They are now blooming, and the report is that some of the spathes are smaller than 'normal' and somewhat deformed, which might indicate a plant of hybrid origin. If anyone has plants that they can identify as being from this Company, please give us a report, or better yet photos of what they grew up to be! Thanks in advance, Julius Boos, WPB, FLORIDA _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "exotaqua" <exotaqua at bellsouth.net> on 2007.05.01 at 17:18:42(15617) Julius, The plant in the attached photo (open with a web browser) I grew from seed labeled P. adamantinum from the source in question. I will be interested in your opinion. +More Bill Anderson ----- Original Message ----- To: Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 9:19 AM Subject: [Aroid-l] Philo. seed from S. America Dear Friends, I would like to 're-visit' the issue from several years ago when we (or at least some of us) sent money and ordered what were supposed to be seeds of several scarce Philodendron species from a Company in S. America. As we may recall, some of these seeds that were labeled as P. saxicolum and P. adamantinum germinated and grew, but most turned out to be Philo. bipinnatifidium (P. 'selloum') or something VERY close to this species. Other vining species of Philodendron grew, and appeared in fact to be what they were labled and sold as. I have been trying to get information from other folks who ordered and grew these seeds, and have at least ONE report of plants that grew from seed labled as P. saxicolum that are NOT P. saxicolum, but also are NOT P. bipinnatifidium ("selloum")!!! They are now blooming, and the report is that some of the spathes are smaller than 'normal' and somewhat deformed, which might indicate a plant of hybrid origin. If anyone has plants that they can identify as being from this Company, please give us a report, or better yet photos of what they grew up to be! Thanks in advance, Julius Boos, WPB, FLORIDA _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l Attachment: P. adamantinum Description: Binary data _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "Julius Boos" <ju-bo at msn.com> on 2007.05.02 at 22:49:39(15620) Reply-To : Discussion of aroids Sent : Tuesday, May 1, 2007 5:18 PM To : "Discussion of aroids" Subject : Re: [Aroid-l] Philo. seed from S. America Dear Bill, I finally got to see your photo of the leaf of your plant, thanks. Forgive my delay, but I have been agonizing on a reply, I HATE to be incorrect in information I give out---that being said, lets LEAP into this +More debacle------I`ll post this one to the aroid-L, as 'enquiring minds want to know'. In MY opinion, your plant is Philo. bipinnatifidium, certainly not P. adamintinum. I base this on the fact that in P. adamantinum, the distance between the bottom of the sinuses (these are the spaces between the divisions on the leaf blade) and the midrib deminish as you go up the blade from the tip upwards toward the petiole juncture, while in Philo. bipinnatifidium just the OPPOSITE is the case, this distance increases as you go up the blade. We also have to keep in mind that with your photo we are dealing with just ONE leaf blade of a sub-adult plant. There are other features NOT shown in your photo which, when I post my chart, you can check on, such as the intravaginal squamules on the rhizome/trunk, the shape/color of the leaf scars, etc., etc., just have a LITTLE more patience with this dumb old man. I worked today on a comparison chart between the two species involved in this discussion, but after I was finished I decided that I might as well, and in fact NEEDED to incorporate P. saxicolum into the brew, since this was another species allegedly amongst the selection of seeds received. I will continue working on the comparison chart and will post it ASAP. The Very Best, Julius Boos, WPB, FLORIDA Attachment : P.adamantinum (0.23 MB) Julius, The plant in the attached photo (open with a web browser) I grew from seed labeled P. adamantinum from the source in question. I will be interested in your opinion. Bill Anderson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julius Boos" To: Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 9:19 AM Subject: [Aroid-l] Philo. seed from S. America Dear Friends, I would like to 're-visit' the issue from several years ago when we (or at least some of us) sent money and ordered what were supposed to be seeds of several scarce Philodendron species from a Company in S. America. As we may recall, some of these seeds that were labeled as P. saxicolum and P. adamantinum germinated and grew, but most turned out to be Philo. bipinnatifidium (P. 'selloum') or something VERY close to this species. Other vining species of Philodendron grew, and appeared in fact to be what they were labled and sold as. I have been trying to get information from other folks who ordered and grew these seeds, and have at least ONE report of plants that grew from seed labled as P. saxicolum that are NOT P. saxicolum, but also are NOT P. bipinnatifidium ("selloum")!!! They are now blooming, and the report is that some of the spathes are smaller than 'normal' and somewhat deformed, which might indicate a plant of hybrid origin. If anyone has plants that they can identify as being from this Company, please give us a report, or better yet photos of what they grew up to be! Thanks in advance, Julius Boos, WPB, FLORIDA<< _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

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