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From: "Agoston Janos" <agoston.janos at citromail.hu> on 2006.12.21 at 19:11:59(14980)
Ok, but can we stabilize variegation? Are there any variegated
tuberous or rhizomatous aroids?
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From:
Michael Marcotrigiano
To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 5:36
PM
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] variegata aroids +
a lots of questions +contacts
Variegation can be induced with nasty mutagens like
Nitrosomethyl urea.I would not recommend doing so unless you have a
compelling reason andexperience using such chemicals. There are a few
viruses that causevariegation but most of them harm the plant and make
them useless. Thebig exception is some forms of the mallow family
Abutilon.Micropropagation can induce many variations and some of the
variegatedforms of plants do come from micropropagation but it appears to
be lowfrequency so finding them involves a great deal of chance and or
largecommercial production where tens of thousands of plants are produced
andgrown out. Spontaneous mutations of plastids can occur and are seen
inseedlings on occasion and this is the source of some variegated
plants.So the answer is not
simple._______________________________Michael Marcotrigiano,
Ph.DDirector of the Botanic Garden and Professor of Biological
SciencesSmith College, Lyman Conservatory, College LaneNorthampton, MA
01063email: mmarcotr@smith.eduvoice:
413-585-2741; fax: 413-585-2744www.smith.edu/garden-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------Trees
are poems that earth writes upon the sky,We fell them down and turn them
into paper,That we may record our emptiness.~ Kahlil
Gibran>>> "Agoston Janos"
12/21/06 10:39 AM >>>Dear All,Can somebody help me
with variegated Araceae? Because I do not know howvariegation starts. Are
there some viruses or chemicals which can inducevariegation? Can occure
variegation by micropropagation? How often?The second question would
be: How to take care of Anubias andCryptocoryne. They are sold as aquatic
plants, but my Anubias has grownout from the tank. Do they need a dry
period or what? What are therequirements of Lysichitons. I have allready
killed 5 pcs.Sorry for the many questions, but I still not received
the Aroid book,and thank you for your help in
advance!-----------------------------------------I have new
mail addresses.agoston.janos@citromail.huviraghagymasz@davidnet.hucontact@hagymarium.hu - not too often
checked, but weeklyszaki@hagymarium.hu - - not too often
checked, but weeklyAnd you can call me on skype:
skype:viraghagymasz?callBye,Jani,
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From: "StroWi at t-online.de" <StroWi at t-online.de> on 2006.12.22 at 06:50:36(14986)
> OK, BUT CAN WE STABILIZE VARIEGATION? ARE THERE ANY VARIEGATED
> TUBEROUS OR RHIZOMATOUS AROIDS?
Agoston,
At least one...
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see:
http://www.exoticfinches.com/plants/amorphstory.htm
Good growing,
Bernhard.
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From: <plantguy at zoominternet.net> on 2006.12.22 at 14:48:05(14991)
Well, there are many Arisaema with completely
stable variegation of course, assuming you will allow all of the silver centered
leaf forms to be included here, which I personally would, but maybe not
others. Michael can comment on the stability of his Amorph, but it seems
less than "stable" from reading his posts.
There are of course many other things that cause
variegation, including some chemicals that are not particularly harmful,
i.e., antibiotics. Some of these characteristics of antibiotics have
even been used to cause readthrough of premature stop codons in human disease in
order to obtain full-length protein as I am sure many on this forum are well
aware. A quick literature search will reveal a host of things that could
be potentially used, although I would never suggest anyone use these things that
does not atelast have some knowledge of fundamental scientific method and takes
appropriate precautions.
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Of course, if you were really into this you
could use a gene targeting approach or perhaps you could introduce a transgene
on an inducible promotor, but this is now only in the realm of the true
gene-jocks out there.
best of luck with everyones
experimentation,
Dan
Zone 6a (and insanely warm for this time of
year)
Daniel Devor, Ph.D.
Department of Cell Biology and
Physiology
University of Pittsburgh
----- Original Message -----
From:
Agoston Janos
To: Discussion of aroids
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 2:11
PM
Subject: [Aroid-l] Re: variegata
aroids
Ok, but can we stabilize variegation? Are there any
variegated tuberous or rhizomatous aroids?
----- Original Message -----
From:
Michael Marcotrigiano
To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 5:36
PM
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] variegata aroids
+ a lots of questions +contacts
Variegation can be induced with nasty mutagens like
Nitrosomethyl urea.I would not recommend doing so unless you have a
compelling reason andexperience using such chemicals. There are a few
viruses that causevariegation but most of them harm the plant and make
them useless. Thebig exception is some forms of the mallow family
Abutilon.Micropropagation can induce many variations and some of the
variegatedforms of plants do come from micropropagation but it appears
to be lowfrequency so finding them involves a great deal of chance and
or largecommercial production where tens of thousands of plants are
produced andgrown out. Spontaneous mutations of plastids can occur and
are seen inseedlings on occasion and this is the source of some
variegated plants.So the answer is not
simple._______________________________Michael Marcotrigiano,
Ph.DDirector of the Botanic Garden and Professor of Biological
SciencesSmith College, Lyman Conservatory, College LaneNorthampton,
MA 01063email: mmarcotr@smith.eduvoice:
413-585-2741; fax: 413-585-2744www.smith.edu/garden-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------Trees
are poems that earth writes upon the sky,We fell them down and turn them
into paper,That we may record our emptiness.~ Kahlil
Gibran>>> "Agoston Janos"
12/21/06 10:39 AM >>>Dear All,Can somebody help me
with variegated Araceae? Because I do not know howvariegation starts.
Are there some viruses or chemicals which can inducevariegation? Can
occure variegation by micropropagation? How often?The second
question would be: How to take care of Anubias andCryptocoryne. They are
sold as aquatic plants, but my Anubias has grownout from the tank. Do
they need a dry period or what? What are therequirements of Lysichitons.
I have allready killed 5 pcs.Sorry for the many questions, but I
still not received the Aroid book,and thank you for your help in
advance!-----------------------------------------I have new
mail addresses.agoston.janos@citromail.huviraghagymasz@davidnet.hucontact@hagymarium.hu - not too
often checked, but weeklyszaki@hagymarium.hu - - not too often
checked, but weeklyAnd you can call me on skype:
skype:viraghagymasz?callBye,Jani,
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From: Tony Avent <tony at plantdelights.com> on 2006.12.22 at 21:09:24(14994)
Jani:
There are several other variegated aroids that haven't been mentioned.
The most stable that we have grown is the Peltandra virginica with a
narrow white edge. Pinellia tripartita 'Dragon Tails' is fairly
unstable, but some of our seedlings are nearly solid gold and have been
stable for several years. The pinstripe-type arisaemas aren't exactly
variegated, but the highlighted silver vein effect is the same. There
is also an Alocasia cucculata with a nice yellow edge that we have grown
for years and now a new one is hitting the trade from Thailand with a
golden center. Alocasia odora 'Okinawa Silver' is an unstable
variegation pattern, but the pattern doesn't disappear. Ditto, the
speckled A. 'Portadora'. The variegated Zantedeschia aethiopica
'Pershore Fantasia' holds for few years, but after that there is more
green than variegated. I'm sure that there are more on the way.
Tony Avent
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Plant Delights Nursery @
Juniper Level Botanic Garden
9241 Sauls Road
Raleigh, North Carolina 27603 USA
Minimum Winter Temps 0-5 F
Maximum Summer Temps 95-105F
USDA Hardiness Zone 7b
email tony@plantdelights.com
website http://www.plantdelights.com
phone 919 772-4794
fax 919 772-4752
"I consider every plant hardy until I have killed it myself...at least three times" - Avent
StroWi@t-online.de wrote:
-----Original Message-----
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 20:11:59 +0100
Subject: [Aroid-l] Re: variegata aroids
To: "Discussion of aroids"
OK, BUT CAN WE STABILIZE VARIEGATION? ARE THERE ANY VARIEGATED
TUBEROUS OR RHIZOMATOUS AROIDS?
Agoston,
At least one...
see:
http://www.exoticfinches.com/plants/amorphstory.htm
Good growing,
Bernhard.
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From: <abri1973 at wp.pl> on 2006.12.22 at 22:21:09(14995)
Arum italicum 'Pictum' and I've seen somewhere Dracunculus vulgaris with
variegated leaf.
Marek Argent
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To: "Discussion of aroids"
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 7:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Re: variegata aroids
-----Original Message-----
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 20:11:59 +0100
Subject: [Aroid-l] Re: variegata aroids
To: "Discussion of aroids"
OK, BUT CAN WE STABILIZE VARIEGATION? ARE THERE ANY VARIEGATED
TUBEROUS OR RHIZOMATOUS AROIDS?
Agoston,
At least one...
see:
http://www.exoticfinches.com/plants/amorphstory.htm
Good growing,
Bernhard.
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From: "Julius Boos" <ju-bo at msn.com> on 2006.12.22 at 22:37:21(14997)
Reply-To : Discussion of aroids
Sent : Friday, December 22, 2006 9:09 PM
To : Discussion of aroids
Subject : Re: [Aroid-l] Re: variegata aroids
There USED to be a page devoted to varigated aroids, I`m not sure if it is
still around??
Colocasia esculenta 'Nancy`s revenge' was one introduced to the hobby a few
years ago at the IAS show in Miami, when grown well it perhaps is one of the
most impressive, w/ the large yellow 'sun' in the center of each leaf.
Many others around, several Xanthosomas, Alocasias, etc., too many to
mention, really!
Good Luck,
Julius
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Jani:
There are several other variegated aroids that haven't been mentioned. The
most stable that we have grown is the Peltandra virginica with a narrow
white edge. Pinellia tripartita 'Dragon Tails' is fairly unstable, but some
of our seedlings are nearly solid gold and have been stable for several
years. The pinstripe-type arisaemas aren't exactly variegated, but the
highlighted silver vein effect is the same. There is also an Alocasia
cucculata with a nice yellow edge that we have grown for years and now a new
one is hitting the trade from Thailand with a golden center. Alocasia odora
'Okinawa Silver' is an unstable variegation pattern, but the pattern doesn't
disappear. Ditto, the speckled A. 'Portadora'. The variegated Zantedeschia
aethiopica 'Pershore Fantasia' holds for few years, but after that there is
more green than variegated. I'm sure that there are more on the way.
Tony Avent
Plant Delights Nursery @
Juniper Level Botanic Garden
9241 Sauls Road
Raleigh, North Carolina 27603 USA
Minimum Winter Temps 0-5 F
Maximum Summer Temps 95-105F
USDA Hardiness Zone 7b
email tony@plantdelights.com
website http://www.plantdelights.com
phone 919 772-4794
fax 919 772-4752
"I consider every plant hardy until I have killed it myself...at least three
times" - Avent
StroWi@t-online.de wrote:
-----Original Message-----
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 20:11:59 +0100
Subject: [Aroid-l] Re: variegata aroids
OK, BUT CAN WE STABILIZE VARIEGATION? ARE THERE ANY VARIEGATED
TUBEROUS OR RHIZOMATOUS AROIDS?
Agoston,
At least one...
see:
http://www.exoticfinches.com/plants/amorphstory.htm
Good growing,
Bernhard.
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From: "Agoston Janos" <agoston.janos at citromail.hu> on 2006.12.23 at 11:27:00(15004)
You mean this? (attachment.)
The white markings are more intensive in sun. The same appears
with Zantedeschia aethiopica 'Green Goddes'. In summer it was nearly green, now
it is almost entirely white, except le tip of the spathe.
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To: Discussion of aroids
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 11:21
PM
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Re: variegata
aroids
Arum italicum 'Pictum' and I've seen somewhere Dracunculus
vulgaris with variegated leaf.Marek Argent----- Original
Message ----- From: To: "Discussion
of aroids" Sent:
Friday, December 22, 2006 7:50 AMSubject: Re: [Aroid-l] Re: variegata
aroids>> -----Original Message----->> Date:
Thu, 21 Dec 2006 20:11:59 +0100>> Subject: [Aroid-l] Re: variegata
aroids>> From: "Agoston Janos">> To: "Discussion of
aroids">>> OK, BUT CAN WE STABILIZE VARIEGATION? ARE THERE
ANY VARIEGATED>> TUBEROUS OR RHIZOMATOUS AROIDS?>>
Agoston,>> At least one...>> see:> http://www.exoticfinches.com/plants/amorphstory.htm>>
Good growing,> Bernhard.>>>
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From: <abri1973 at wp.pl> on 2006.12.23 at 18:55:26(15007)
Yes, this is the 'Pictum' cultivar, the typical
Arum italicum looks like this. (It grew in sunny place)
http://www.wschowa.com/abrimaal/veschort/araceae/arumitalicum.htm
Marek
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----- Original Message -----
From:
Agoston Janos
To: Discussion of aroids
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 12:27
PM
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Re: variegata
aroids
You mean this? (attachment.)
The white markings are more intensive in sun. The same
appears with Zantedeschia aethiopica 'Green Goddes'. In summer it was nearly
green, now it is almost entirely white, except le tip of the
spathe.
----- Original Message -----
From:
abri1973@wp.pl
To: Discussion of aroids
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 11:21
PM
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Re: variegata
aroids
Arum italicum 'Pictum' and I've seen somewhere Dracunculus
vulgaris with variegated leaf.Marek Argent----- Original
Message ----- From: To:
"Discussion of aroids" Sent:
Friday, December 22, 2006 7:50 AMSubject: Re: [Aroid-l] Re: variegata
aroids>> -----Original Message----->> Date:
Thu, 21 Dec 2006 20:11:59 +0100>> Subject: [Aroid-l] Re: variegata
aroids>> From: "Agoston Janos">> To: "Discussion of
aroids">>> OK, BUT CAN WE STABILIZE VARIEGATION? ARE THERE
ANY VARIEGATED>> TUBEROUS OR RHIZOMATOUS AROIDS?>>
Agoston,>> At least one...>> see:> http://www.exoticfinches.com/plants/amorphstory.htm>>
Good growing,> Bernhard.>>>
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