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Alocasia tigrina vs zebrina
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From: "D. Christopher Rogers" crogers at ecoanalysts.com> on 2006.11.22 at 18:26:05(14836)
Well, after the heated discussion on heaters in which I learned lots
(thank you all), I thought I would ask another question, hopefully with a simple
answer.
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How can I separate Alocasia tigrina from A. zebrina? I have a nice plant
about a meter tall, no flowers, labeled A. tigrina, but looks a lot like
pictures I have seen recently of A. zebrina. Any advice and literature citations would be helpful
Thanks heaps!
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From: LARIANN GARNER AROIDIAN at worldnet.att.net> on 2006.11.22 at 21:26:56(14839)
Chris,
The A. tigrina superba has much narrower elongated leaves than the
zebrina and in addition, the leaf of the A. zebrina is of a thicker
constitution than the A. tigrina superba. I have a page on the A.
zebrina, and one on my A. tigrina hybrid, which has retained much of
the characteristics of the A. tigrina superba. See the following:
http://aroidiaresearch.org/azebrina.htm
http://aroidiaresearch.org/abristig.htm
Best regards,
LariAnn Garner
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Aroidia Research
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D. Christopher Rogers wrote:
Well, after the heated
discussion on heaters in which I learned lots
(thank you all), I thought I would ask another question, hopefully with
a simple
answer.
How can I separate
Alocasia tigrina from A. zebrina? I have a nice plant
about a meter tall, no flowers, labeled A. tigrina, but looks a lot
like
pictures I have seen recently of A. zebrina. Any
advice and literature citations would be helpful
Thanks heaps!
AUTOTEXTLIST \s "E-mail
Signature" D. Christopher Rogers
Invertebrate
Ecologist/Taxonomist
((,///////////=====<
EcoAnalysts,
Inc.
(530)
406-1178
166
Buckeye Street
Woodland
CA 95695 USA
● Invertebrate
Taxonomy
●
Invertebrate Ecological Studies
●
Bioassessment and Study Design
●
Endangered Invertebrate Species
●
Zooplankton
●
Periphyton/ Phytoplankton
Moscow, ID ●
Bozeman, MT ● Woodland, CA ● Neosho, MO ●
Selinsgrove, PA
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From: "D. Christopher Rogers" crogers at ecoanalysts.com> on 2006.11.22 at 21:54:21(14840)
Hi
Lariann, thanks for the pics.
I am
afraid that I am sill not able to descry which plant I have. My plant has the lovely
petiole striping that is clear on your zebrina. However, the leave on my plant
are far narrower and longer, similar to your Brisbane tigress, but are more
triangular.
Christopher
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D.
Christopher Rogers
Invertebrate Ecologist/Taxonomist
((,///////////=====<
EcoAnalysts, Inc.
(530) 406-1178
166 Buckeye Street
Woodland CA 95695 USA
● Invertebrate Taxonomy
● Invertebrate Ecological Studies
● Bioassessment and Study Design
● Endangered Invertebrate Species
● Zooplankton
● Periphyton/ Phytoplankton
Moscow, ID ● Bozeman, MT ● Woodland, CA ● Neosho, MO ●
Selinsgrove, PA
www.ecoanalysts.com
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[mailto:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com]On
Behalf Of LARIANN GARNER
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006
1:27 PM
To: Discussion of aroids
Subject: [Spam] Re: [Aroid-l]
Alocasia tigrina vs zebrina
Chris,
The A. tigrina superba has much narrower elongated leaves than the zebrina and
in addition, the leaf of the A. zebrina is of a thicker constitution than the
A. tigrina superba. I have a page on the A. zebrina, and one on my A.
tigrina hybrid, which has retained much of the characteristics of the A.
tigrina superba. See the following:
http://aroidiaresearch.org/azebrina.htm
http://aroidiaresearch.org/abristig.htm
Best regards,
LariAnn Garner
Aroidia Research
http://aroidiaresearch.org
D. Christopher Rogers wrote:
Well, after the heated discussion on heaters in which I
learned lots (thank you all), I thought I would ask another question, hopefully
with a simple answer.
How
can I separate Alocasia tigrina from A. zebrina? I have a nice plant about a
meter tall, no flowers, labeled A. tigrina, but looks a lot like pictures I
have seen recently of A. zebrina. Any advice and literature citations
would be helpful
Thanks
heaps!
AUTOTEXTLIST \s "E-mail Signature" D. Christopher Rogers
Invertebrate
Ecologist/Taxonomist
((,///////////=====<
EcoAnalysts, Inc.
(530) 406-1178
166 Buckeye Street
Woodland CA 95695 USA
●
Invertebrate Taxonomy
● Invertebrate Ecological Studies
● Bioassessment and Study Design
● Endangered Invertebrate Species
● Zooplankton
● Periphyton/ Phytoplankton
Moscow, ID ● Bozeman, MT ● Woodland,
CA ● Neosho, MO ● Selinsgrove, PA
www.ecoanalysts.com
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From: "Alistair Hay" ajmhay at hotmail.com> on 2006.11.23 at 23:10:54(14847)
Its up to our friends in the Philippines who are able to observe live plants in the wild to decipher whether or not A. wenzelii and A. tigrina are different species from A. zebrina.
However, when I looked at these species from herbarium specimens 10 years ago, they seemed to me to intergrade in the wild. If that is the case, these horticultural forms under discussion are probably much better recognised as cultivars of A. zebrina. - JMO
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Chris,The A. tigrina superba has much narrower elongated leaves than the zebrina and in addition, the leaf of the A. zebrina is of a thicker constitution than the A. tigrina superba. I have a page on the A. zebrina, and one on my A. tigrina hybrid, which has retained much of the characteristics of the A. tigrina superba. See the following:http://aroidiaresearch.org/azebrina.htmhttp://aroidiaresearch.org/abristig.htmBest regards,LariAnn GarnerAroidia Researchhttp://aroidiaresearch.orgD. Christopher Rogers wrote:
Well, after the heated discussion on heaters in which I learned lots (thank you all), I thought I would ask another question, hopefully with a simple answer.
How can I separate Alocasia tigrina from A. zebrina? I have a nice plant about a meter tall, no flowers, labeled A. tigrina, but looks a lot like pictures I have seen recently of A. zebrina. Any advice and literature citations would be helpful
Thanks heaps!
D. Christopher Rogers
Invertebrate Ecologist/Taxonomist
((,///////////=====<
EcoAnalysts, Inc.
(530) 406-1178
166 Buckeye Street
Woodland CA 95695 USA
?? Invertebrate Taxonomy
?? Invertebrate Ecological Studies
?? Bioassessment and Study Design
?? Endangered Invertebrate Species
?? Zooplankton
?? Periphyton/ Phytoplankton
Moscow, ID ?? Bozeman, MT ?? Woodland, CA ?? Neosho, MO ?? Selinsgrove, PA
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From: "FLFireman1 at yahoo.com" flfireman1 at yahoo.com> on 2006.11.24 at 14:51:48(14851)
>From what I understand there are three species that
are all very similar.
Those are:
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Alocasia Zebrina
src="http://gallery.pethobbyist.com/data/790zebrina.jpg">
Alocasia Zebrina Reticulata
src="http://gallery.pethobbyist.com/data/790IMG_0305.JPG">
Alocasia Tigrina Superba
src="http://gallery.pethobbyist.com/data/790superba.jpg">
I hope this helps. It would help if you can provide a
picture of your plant in question.
Eric
--- "D. Christopher Rogers"
wrote:
> Hi Lariann, thanks for the pics.
>
> I am afraid that I am sill not able to descry which
> plant I have. My plant
> has the lovely petiole striping that is clear on
> your zebrina. However, the
> leave on my plant are far narrower and longer,
> similar to your Brisbane
> tigress, but are more triangular.
>
> Christopher
>
> D. Christopher Rogers
> Invertebrate Ecologist/Taxonomist
> ((,///////////=====<
>
> EcoAnalysts, Inc.
> (530) 406-1178
> 166 Buckeye Street
> Woodland CA 95695 USA
>
> ? Invertebrate Taxonomy
> ? Invertebrate Ecological Studies
> ? Bioassessment and Study Design
> ? Endangered Invertebrate Species
> ? Zooplankton
> ? Periphyton/ Phytoplankton
>
> Moscow, ID ? Bozeman, MT ? Woodland, CA ? Neosho, MO
> ? Selinsgrove, PA
> www.ecoanalysts.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com
> [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com]On Behalf Of
> LARIANN GARNER
> Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 1:27 PM
> To: Discussion of aroids
> Subject: [Spam] Re: [Aroid-l] Alocasia tigrina vs
> zebrina
>
> Chris,
>
> The A. tigrina superba has much narrower elongated
> leaves than the zebrina
> and in addition, the leaf of the A. zebrina is of a
> thicker constitution
> than the A. tigrina superba. I have a page on the
> A. zebrina, and one on my
> A. tigrina hybrid, which has retained much of the
> characteristics of the A.
> tigrina superba. See the following:
>
> http://aroidiaresearch.org/azebrina.htm
>
> http://aroidiaresearch.org/abristig.htm
>
> Best regards,
> LariAnn Garner
> Aroidia Research
> http://aroidiaresearch.org
>
> D. Christopher Rogers wrote:
> Well, after the heated discussion on heaters in
> which I learned lots (thank
> you all), I thought I would ask another question,
> hopefully with a simple
> answer.
> How can I separate Alocasia tigrina from A. zebrina?
> I have a nice plant
> about a meter tall, no flowers, labeled A. tigrina,
> but looks a lot like
> pictures I have seen recently of A. zebrina. Any
> advice and literature
> citations would be helpful
> Thanks heaps!
> D. Christopher Rogers
> Invertebrate Ecologist/Taxonomist
> ((,///////////=====<
> EcoAnalysts, Inc.
> (530) 406-1178
> 166 Buckeye Street
> Woodland CA 95695 USA
> ? Invertebrate Taxonomy
> ? Invertebrate Ecological Studies
> ? Bioassessment and Study Design
> ? Endangered Invertebrate Species
> ? Zooplankton
> ? Periphyton/ Phytoplankton
> Moscow, ID ? Bozeman, MT ? Woodland, CA ? Neosho, MO
> ? Selinsgrove, PA
> www.ecoanalysts.com
>
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From: "Julius Boos" ju-bo at msn.com> on 2006.11.24 at 21:26:14(14854)
Hello Alistair,
Thanks for your valued opinion on these plants.
For those who are still in doubt as to the 'true identity' of the Alocasias
mentioned by Dr. Hay (below), as he suggests, for the time being, and until
the professionals in the Philippienes make a final determination, all should
be refered to as 'forms' or clones of one presently 'good' species, A.
zebrina.
I know that it is difficult for some folks sitting at home and examining two
plants that may, at face valu,e look pretty different one to the other, to
realize that IN THE WILD, in the field over many miles, a single species can
be collected in MANY variations, and human nature being as it is, that only
a very few of the most attractive plants from amongst THOUSANDS within a
population that a collector may see in nature, are brought back to
'civilization'/cultivation, and from these few plants a 'new' variety given
some cockamany new name may be distributed/sold to all the collectors in the
world. This explains why there are perhaps three different-LOOKING
Alocasia plants, perhaps all the same species, but being called by different
names. A final examination of the sexual parts of their individual blooms
may FINALLY give us the answer, if there may be three different species, OR
just three or more variations/clones of the same species of Alocasia from
within a huge and perhaps very variable population, spread over a vast area
in nature.
We on Aroid-L are so very fortunate to have the world experts like Drs. Hay,
Croat, Peter Boyce, Wilbert Hetterscheid and other experts in this field at
virtually our fingertips to answer most of our querries. Thanks guys!
I hope this helps in understanding this problem.
Julius
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Sent : Thursday, November 23, 2006 11:10 PM
To : aroid-l@gizmoworks.com
Subject : Re: [Aroid-l] Alocasia tigrina vs zebrina
Its up to our friends in the Philippines who are able to observe live plants
in the wild to decipher whether or not A. wenzelii and A. tigrina are
different species from A. zebrina.
However, when I looked at these species from herbarium specimens 10 years
ago, they seemed to me to intergrade in the wild. If that is the case, these
horticultural forms under discussion are probably much better recognised as
cultivars of A. zebrina. - JMO
From: LARIANN GARNER
Reply-To: Discussion of aroids
To: Discussion of aroids
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Alocasia tigrina vs zebrina
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 16:26:56 -0500
Chris,
The A. tigrina superba has much narrower elongated leaves than the
zebrina and in addition, the leaf of the A. zebrina is of a thicker
constitution than the A. tigrina superba. I have a page on the A. zebrina,
and one on my A. tigrina hybrid, which has retained much of the
characteristics of the A. tigrina superba. See the following:
http://aroidiaresearch.org/azebrina.htm
http://aroidiaresearch.org/abristig.htm
Best regards,
LariAnn Garner
Aroidia Research
http://aroidiaresearch.org
D. Christopher Rogers wrote:
Well, after the heated discussion on heaters in which I learned lots
(thank you all), I thought I would ask another question, hopefully with a
simple answer.
How can I separate Alocasia tigrina from A. zebrina? I have a nice
plant about a meter tall, no flowers, labeled A. tigrina, but looks a lot
like pictures I have seen recently of A. zebrina. Any advice and literature
citations would be helpful
Thanks heaps!
D. Christopher Rogers
Invertebrate Ecologist/Taxonomist
((,///////////=====<
EcoAnalysts, Inc.
(530) 406-1178
166 Buckeye Street
Woodland CA 95695 USA
�? Invertebrate Taxonomy
�? Invertebrate Ecological Studies
�? Bioassessment and Study Design
�? Endangered Invertebrate Species
�? Zooplankton
�? Periphyton/ Phytoplankton
Moscow, ID �? Bozeman, MT �? Woodland, CA �?
Neosho, MO �? Selinsgrove, PA
www.ecoanalysts.com
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