Alocasia tigrina vs zebrina

From: "D. Christopher Rogers" crogers at ecoanalysts.com> on 2006.11.22 at 18:26:05(14836) Well, after the heated discussion on heaters in which I learned lots (thank you all), I thought I would ask another question, hopefully with a simple answer. +More How can I separate Alocasia tigrina from A. zebrina? I have a nice plant about a meter tall, no flowers, labeled A. tigrina, but looks a lot like pictures I have seen recently of A. zebrina. Any advice and literature citations would be helpful Thanks heaps! AUTOTEXTLIST \s "E-mail Signature" D. Christopher Rogers Invertebrate Ecologist/Taxonomist ((,///////////=====< EcoAnalysts, Inc. (530) 406-1178 166 Buckeye Street Woodland CA 95695 USA ● Invertebrate Taxonomy ● Invertebrate Ecological Studies ● Bioassessment and Study Design ● Endangered Invertebrate Species ● Zooplankton ● Periphyton/ Phytoplankton Moscow, ID ● Bozeman, MT ● Woodland, CA ● Neosho, MO ● Selinsgrove, PA www.ecoanalysts.com _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: LARIANN GARNER AROIDIAN at worldnet.att.net> on 2006.11.22 at 21:26:56(14839) Chris, The A. tigrina superba has much narrower elongated leaves than the zebrina and in addition, the leaf of the A. zebrina is of a thicker constitution than the A. tigrina superba. I have a page on the A. zebrina, and one on my A. tigrina hybrid, which has retained much of the characteristics of the A. tigrina superba. See the following: http://aroidiaresearch.org/azebrina.htm http://aroidiaresearch.org/abristig.htm Best regards, LariAnn Garner +More Aroidia Research http://aroidiaresearch.org D. Christopher Rogers wrote: Well, after the heated discussion on heaters in which I learned lots (thank you all), I thought I would ask another question, hopefully with a simple answer. How can I separate Alocasia tigrina from A. zebrina? I have a nice plant about a meter tall, no flowers, labeled A. tigrina, but looks a lot like pictures I have seen recently of A. zebrina. Any advice and literature citations would be helpful Thanks heaps! AUTOTEXTLIST \s "E-mail Signature" D. Christopher Rogers Invertebrate Ecologist/Taxonomist ((,///////////=====< EcoAnalysts, Inc. (530) 406-1178 166 Buckeye Street Woodland CA 95695 USA ● Invertebrate Taxonomy ● Invertebrate Ecological Studies ● Bioassessment and Study Design ● Endangered Invertebrate Species ● Zooplankton ● Periphyton/ Phytoplankton Moscow, ID ● Bozeman, MT ● Woodland, CA ● Neosho, MO ● Selinsgrove, PA www.ecoanalysts.com _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "D. Christopher Rogers" crogers at ecoanalysts.com> on 2006.11.22 at 21:54:21(14840) Hi Lariann, thanks for the pics. I am afraid that I am sill not able to descry which plant I have. My plant has the lovely petiole striping that is clear on your zebrina. However, the leave on my plant are far narrower and longer, similar to your Brisbane tigress, but are more triangular. Christopher +More AUTOTEXTLIST \s "E-mail Signature" D. Christopher Rogers Invertebrate Ecologist/Taxonomist ((,///////////=====< EcoAnalysts, Inc. (530) 406-1178 166 Buckeye Street Woodland CA 95695 USA ● Invertebrate Taxonomy ● Invertebrate Ecological Studies ● Bioassessment and Study Design ● Endangered Invertebrate Species ● Zooplankton ● Periphyton/ Phytoplankton Moscow, ID ● Bozeman, MT ● Woodland, CA ● Neosho, MO ● Selinsgrove, PA www.ecoanalysts.com -----Original Message----- [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com]On Behalf Of LARIANN GARNER Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 1:27 PM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: [Spam] Re: [Aroid-l] Alocasia tigrina vs zebrina Chris, The A. tigrina superba has much narrower elongated leaves than the zebrina and in addition, the leaf of the A. zebrina is of a thicker constitution than the A. tigrina superba. I have a page on the A. zebrina, and one on my A. tigrina hybrid, which has retained much of the characteristics of the A. tigrina superba. See the following: http://aroidiaresearch.org/azebrina.htm http://aroidiaresearch.org/abristig.htm Best regards, LariAnn Garner Aroidia Research http://aroidiaresearch.org D. Christopher Rogers wrote: Well, after the heated discussion on heaters in which I learned lots (thank you all), I thought I would ask another question, hopefully with a simple answer. How can I separate Alocasia tigrina from A. zebrina? I have a nice plant about a meter tall, no flowers, labeled A. tigrina, but looks a lot like pictures I have seen recently of A. zebrina. Any advice and literature citations would be helpful Thanks heaps! AUTOTEXTLIST \s "E-mail Signature" D. Christopher Rogers Invertebrate Ecologist/Taxonomist ((,///////////=====< EcoAnalysts, Inc. (530) 406-1178 166 Buckeye Street Woodland CA 95695 USA ● Invertebrate Taxonomy ● Invertebrate Ecological Studies ● Bioassessment and Study Design ● Endangered Invertebrate Species ● Zooplankton ● Periphyton/ Phytoplankton Moscow, ID ● Bozeman, MT ● Woodland, CA ● Neosho, MO ● Selinsgrove, PA www.ecoanalysts.com _______________________________________________Aroid-l mailing listAroid-l@gizmoworks.comhttp://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "Alistair Hay" ajmhay at hotmail.com> on 2006.11.23 at 23:10:54(14847) Its up to our friends in the Philippines who are able to observe live plants in the wild to decipher whether or not A. wenzelii and A. tigrina are different species from A. zebrina. However, when I looked at these species from herbarium specimens 10 years ago, they seemed to me to intergrade in the wild. If that is the case, these horticultural forms under discussion are probably much better recognised as cultivars of A. zebrina. - JMO +More Chris,The A. tigrina superba has much narrower elongated leaves than the zebrina and in addition, the leaf of the A. zebrina is of a thicker constitution than the A. tigrina superba. I have a page on the A. zebrina, and one on my A. tigrina hybrid, which has retained much of the characteristics of the A. tigrina superba. See the following:http://aroidiaresearch.org/azebrina.htmhttp://aroidiaresearch.org/abristig.htmBest regards,LariAnn GarnerAroidia Researchhttp://aroidiaresearch.orgD. Christopher Rogers wrote: Well, after the heated discussion on heaters in which I learned lots (thank you all), I thought I would ask another question, hopefully with a simple answer. How can I separate Alocasia tigrina from A. zebrina? I have a nice plant about a meter tall, no flowers, labeled A. tigrina, but looks a lot like pictures I have seen recently of A. zebrina. Any advice and literature citations would be helpful Thanks heaps! D. Christopher Rogers Invertebrate Ecologist/Taxonomist ((,///////////=====< EcoAnalysts, Inc. (530) 406-1178 166 Buckeye Street Woodland CA 95695 USA ?? Invertebrate Taxonomy ?? Invertebrate Ecological Studies ?? Bioassessment and Study Design ?? Endangered Invertebrate Species ?? Zooplankton ?? Periphyton/ Phytoplankton Moscow, ID ?? Bozeman, MT ?? Woodland, CA ?? Neosho, MO ?? Selinsgrove, PA www.ecoanalysts.com _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l >_______________________________________________>Aroid-l mailing list>Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com>http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "FLFireman1 at yahoo.com" flfireman1 at yahoo.com> on 2006.11.24 at 14:51:48(14851) >From what I understand there are three species that are all very similar. Those are: +More Alocasia Zebrina src="http://gallery.pethobbyist.com/data/790zebrina.jpg"> Alocasia Zebrina Reticulata src="http://gallery.pethobbyist.com/data/790IMG_0305.JPG"> Alocasia Tigrina Superba src="http://gallery.pethobbyist.com/data/790superba.jpg"> I hope this helps. It would help if you can provide a picture of your plant in question. Eric --- "D. Christopher Rogers" wrote: > Hi Lariann, thanks for the pics. > > I am afraid that I am sill not able to descry which > plant I have. My plant > has the lovely petiole striping that is clear on > your zebrina. However, the > leave on my plant are far narrower and longer, > similar to your Brisbane > tigress, but are more triangular. > > Christopher > > D. Christopher Rogers > Invertebrate Ecologist/Taxonomist > ((,///////////=====< > > EcoAnalysts, Inc. > (530) 406-1178 > 166 Buckeye Street > Woodland CA 95695 USA > > ? Invertebrate Taxonomy > ? Invertebrate Ecological Studies > ? Bioassessment and Study Design > ? Endangered Invertebrate Species > ? Zooplankton > ? Periphyton/ Phytoplankton > > Moscow, ID ? Bozeman, MT ? Woodland, CA ? Neosho, MO > ? Selinsgrove, PA > www.ecoanalysts.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com > [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com]On Behalf Of > LARIANN GARNER > Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 1:27 PM > To: Discussion of aroids > Subject: [Spam] Re: [Aroid-l] Alocasia tigrina vs > zebrina > > Chris, > > The A. tigrina superba has much narrower elongated > leaves than the zebrina > and in addition, the leaf of the A. zebrina is of a > thicker constitution > than the A. tigrina superba. I have a page on the > A. zebrina, and one on my > A. tigrina hybrid, which has retained much of the > characteristics of the A. > tigrina superba. See the following: > > http://aroidiaresearch.org/azebrina.htm > > http://aroidiaresearch.org/abristig.htm > > Best regards, > LariAnn Garner > Aroidia Research > http://aroidiaresearch.org > > D. Christopher Rogers wrote: > Well, after the heated discussion on heaters in > which I learned lots (thank > you all), I thought I would ask another question, > hopefully with a simple > answer. > How can I separate Alocasia tigrina from A. zebrina? > I have a nice plant > about a meter tall, no flowers, labeled A. tigrina, > but looks a lot like > pictures I have seen recently of A. zebrina. Any > advice and literature > citations would be helpful > Thanks heaps! > D. Christopher Rogers > Invertebrate Ecologist/Taxonomist > ((,///////////=====< > EcoAnalysts, Inc. > (530) 406-1178 > 166 Buckeye Street > Woodland CA 95695 USA > ? Invertebrate Taxonomy > ? Invertebrate Ecological Studies > ? Bioassessment and Study Design > ? Endangered Invertebrate Species > ? Zooplankton > ? Periphyton/ Phytoplankton > Moscow, ID ? Bozeman, MT ? Woodland, CA ? Neosho, MO > ? Selinsgrove, PA > www.ecoanalysts.com > > > > > > _____ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Aroid-l mailing list > Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com > > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > > > _______________________________________________ > Aroid-l mailing list > Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "Julius Boos" ju-bo at msn.com> on 2006.11.24 at 21:26:14(14854) Hello Alistair, Thanks for your valued opinion on these plants. For those who are still in doubt as to the 'true identity' of the Alocasias mentioned by Dr. Hay (below), as he suggests, for the time being, and until the professionals in the Philippienes make a final determination, all should be refered to as 'forms' or clones of one presently 'good' species, A. zebrina. I know that it is difficult for some folks sitting at home and examining two plants that may, at face valu,e look pretty different one to the other, to realize that IN THE WILD, in the field over many miles, a single species can be collected in MANY variations, and human nature being as it is, that only a very few of the most attractive plants from amongst THOUSANDS within a population that a collector may see in nature, are brought back to 'civilization'/cultivation, and from these few plants a 'new' variety given some cockamany new name may be distributed/sold to all the collectors in the world. This explains why there are perhaps three different-LOOKING Alocasia plants, perhaps all the same species, but being called by different names. A final examination of the sexual parts of their individual blooms may FINALLY give us the answer, if there may be three different species, OR just three or more variations/clones of the same species of Alocasia from within a huge and perhaps very variable population, spread over a vast area in nature. We on Aroid-L are so very fortunate to have the world experts like Drs. Hay, Croat, Peter Boyce, Wilbert Hetterscheid and other experts in this field at virtually our fingertips to answer most of our querries. Thanks guys! I hope this helps in understanding this problem. Julius +More Reply-To : Discussion of aroids Sent : Thursday, November 23, 2006 11:10 PM To : aroid-l@gizmoworks.com Subject : Re: [Aroid-l] Alocasia tigrina vs zebrina Its up to our friends in the Philippines who are able to observe live plants in the wild to decipher whether or not A. wenzelii and A. tigrina are different species from A. zebrina. However, when I looked at these species from herbarium specimens 10 years ago, they seemed to me to intergrade in the wild. If that is the case, these horticultural forms under discussion are probably much better recognised as cultivars of A. zebrina. - JMO From: LARIANN GARNER Reply-To: Discussion of aroids To: Discussion of aroids Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Alocasia tigrina vs zebrina Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 16:26:56 -0500 Chris, The A. tigrina superba has much narrower elongated leaves than the zebrina and in addition, the leaf of the A. zebrina is of a thicker constitution than the A. tigrina superba. I have a page on the A. zebrina, and one on my A. tigrina hybrid, which has retained much of the characteristics of the A. tigrina superba. See the following: http://aroidiaresearch.org/azebrina.htm http://aroidiaresearch.org/abristig.htm Best regards, LariAnn Garner Aroidia Research http://aroidiaresearch.org D. Christopher Rogers wrote: Well, after the heated discussion on heaters in which I learned lots (thank you all), I thought I would ask another question, hopefully with a simple answer. How can I separate Alocasia tigrina from A. zebrina? I have a nice plant about a meter tall, no flowers, labeled A. tigrina, but looks a lot like pictures I have seen recently of A. zebrina. Any advice and literature citations would be helpful Thanks heaps! D. Christopher Rogers Invertebrate Ecologist/Taxonomist ((,///////////=====< EcoAnalysts, Inc. (530) 406-1178 166 Buckeye Street Woodland CA 95695 USA �? Invertebrate Taxonomy �? Invertebrate Ecological Studies �? Bioassessment and Study Design �? Endangered Invertebrate Species �? Zooplankton �? Periphyton/ Phytoplankton Moscow, ID �? Bozeman, MT �? Woodland, CA �? Neosho, MO �? Selinsgrove, PA www.ecoanalysts.com _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l >_______________________________________________ >Aroid-l mailing list >Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com >http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l Reply | Reply All | Forward Go to previous message | Go to next message | Delete | Inbox Get the latest updates from MSN MSN Home | My MSN | Hotmail | Search | Shopping | Money | People & Chat Feedback | Help ? 2006 Microsoft TERMS OF USE Advertise TRUSTe Approved Privacy Statement GetNetWise Anti-Spam Policy _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

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