]P. tweedeanum--Photos/specimens??

From: "Julius Boos" ju-bo at msn.com> on 2006.05.30 at 21:50:32(14325) Reply-To : Discussion of aroids Sent : Tuesday, May 30, 2006 4:05 PM To : "Discussion of aroids" Subject : RE: [Aroid-l] Swamp Philo. sp. from near Iguazu Falls. Dear Tom, Thank you so very much for the ID. Are you aware of any site where I may view photos of this species, and are there live specimens at MOBOT or growing in any collection that you may know of?? Thanks again, Julius +More Dear Julius: This is Philodendron tweedeanum Schott, P. dubium is a synonym of that name. Tom -----Original Message----- Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 3:36 PM To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com Subject: [Aroid-l] Swamp Philo. sp. from near Iguazu Falls. Dear All, Every now and then this incident crosses my mind, and it still bothers me all these years later. This note was sparked by someone mentioning the late Fred Fuchs, who collected extensively in S. America back in the 'good old days', and often took groups of orchid and aroid enthusists collecting w/ him. Many years ago, when I was just getting started in aroids, I met a woman here in WPB who had returned from collecting w/ Fred just a year or so previously, she described being on the bus to the famous Iguazu falls, when along a flat, straight road BEFORE getting to the falls, in a cow-pasture behind a barbed-wire fence, she saw what could be mistaken for a huge stand of Xanthosoma. On closer inspection (after she managed to get the bus to stop!) the plants turned out to be a swamp-growing species of Philodendron . The area in which this dense stand of plants was growing, which was obviously sometimes flooded, was dry at the time, and the 'soil' consisted of clay baked by the sun to the consistincy/hardness of red brick. She had to get the bus driver to assist her in digging three plants out of this hard and rock-like 'soil'. From memory, the plants had long yellow petioles, and 'carried' about 5 leaves. The leaves were sagittate, with the anterior lobe noticably shorter than the longer, wide-spread hind lobes, and the blades were carried with the anterior lobe pointing down, the hind lobes up. They were not 'self-heading', but were none the less very compact, short-rhizomed plants w/ a thick, short and elongate rhizome the color of an American sweet-potato, orange. It seemed that the plants could store food reserves in this form of rhizome. The woman had three plants, and resisted all my efforts to trade or buy one from here, she made a comment that she would prefer to let them die before she would part w/ one. During a visit a few years later, she had done just that, allowed them to die. The pots stood empty save the remanants/shells of their rhizomes. I discussed this w/ the late and great Dr. Monroe Birdsey, and would you believe he too had seen and collected the exact plants at the exact spot during his visit to the falls! I BELIEVE he thought that they might be called P. 'dubium', but he was not certain. If anyone can offer some/any information on the ID of these plants, or better yet actually have a plant, I`d love to hear from them! Good Growing! Julius _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: - - aroids at numericable.fr> on 2006.06.04 at 18:23:04(14333) Dear Julius,I think there is a very big clump in the aquatic plants display in Munich. It is indeed a surprising habitat for a Philodendron !!!With best regards,DavidLe 30 mai 06 ? 23:50, Julius Boos a ?crit : From : Tom Croat Reply-To : Discussion of aroids Sent : Tuesday, May 30, 2006 4:05 PMTo : "Discussion of aroids" Subject : RE: [Aroid-l] Swamp Philo. sp. from near Iguazu Falls.Dear Tom,Thank you so very much for the ID. ? Are you aware of any site where I may view photos of this species, and are there live specimens at MOBOT or growing in any collection that you may know of??Thanks again,Julius Dear Julius: This is Philodendron tweedeanum Schott,? P. dubium is a synonym of thatname.Tom-----Original Message-----From: Julius Boos [mailto:ju-bo@msn.com]Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 3:36 PMTo: aroid-l@gizmoworks.comSubject: [Aroid-l] Swamp Philo. sp. from near Iguazu Falls.Dear All,Every now and then this incident crosses my mind, and it still bothersmeall these years later.This note was sparked by someone mentioning the late Fred Fuchs, whocollected extensively in S. America back in the 'good old days', andoftentook groups of orchid and aroid enthusists collecting w/ him. ? Manyyearsago, when I was just getting started in aroids, I met a woman here inWPBwho had returned from collecting w/ Fred just a year or so previously,shedescribed being on the bus to the famous Iguazu falls, when along aflat,straight road BEFORE getting to the falls, in a cow-pasture behind abarbed-wire fence, she saw what could be mistaken for a huge stand ofXanthosoma. ? On closer inspection (after she managed to get the bus tostop!) the plants turned out to be a swamp-growing species ofPhilodendron .?The area in which this dense stand of plants was growing, which wasobviously sometimes flooded, was dry at the time, and the 'soil'consistedof clay baked by the sun to the consistincy/hardness of red brick. ? Shehadto get the bus driver to assist her in digging th ree plants out of thishardand rock-like 'soil'. ? From memory, the plants had long yellowpetioles,and 'carried' about 5 leaves.? The leaves were sagittate, with theanteriorlobe noticably shorter than the longer, wide-spread hind lobes, and theblades were carried with the anterior lobe pointing down, the hind lobesup.? They were not? 'self-heading', but were none the less very compact,short-rhizomed plants w/ a thick, short and elongate rhizome the colorof anAmerican sweet-potato, orange. ? It seemed that the plants could storefoodreserves in this form of rhizome.The woman had three plants, and resisted all my efforts to trade or buyonefrom here, she made a comment that she would prefer to let them diebeforeshe would part w/ one. ? During a visit a few years later, she had donejustthat, allowed them to die. ? The pots stood empty save theremanants/shellsof their rhizomes.I discussed this w/ the late and great Dr. Monroe Birdsey, and would youbelieve he too had seen and collected the exact plants at the exact +More spotduring his visit to the falls! ? I BELIEVE he thought that they might becalled P. 'dubium', but he was not certain.If anyone can offer some/any information on the ID of these plants, orbetter yet actually have a plant, I`d love to hear from them!Good Growing!Julius_______________________________________________Aroid-l mailing listAroid-l@gizmoworks.comhttp://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l_______________________________________________Aroid-l mailing listAroid-l@gizmoworks.comhttp://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l_______________________________________________Aroid-l mailing listAroid-l@gizmoworks.comhttp://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l David SCHERBERICH 108 Montee de la Grande Cote 69001 LYON FRANCE Email: aroids@numericable.fr http://dscherberich.free.fr _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: RAYMOMATTLA at cs.com on 2006.06.04 at 20:41:08(14334) Doesnt P. brasiliense also grow aquatically, or at least partly submerged and from the same region as P. tweedieanum? Very interesting plants! Michael +More _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "Eduardo Goncalves" edggon at hotmail.com> on 2006.06.06 at 20:26:13(14347) Dear Michael, Yes, P. brasiliense has the same ecology, i.e., both species grow in marshes. However, P. brasiliense occurrs more to the north (S?o Paulo and Rio de Janeiro state), near the shore, whereas P. tweedianum grows to the south-west, along the Paraguay river basin. Very best wishes, Eduardo. +More Dr. Eduardo G. Goncalves Universidade Catolica de Brasilia Curso de Ciencias Biologicas Sala M-206, QS 7, Lote 1, EPTC CEP 72030-170, Taguatinga ? DF, BRAZIL. Reply-To: Discussion of aroids To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com Subject: Re: [Aroid-l]P. tweedeanum--Photos/specimens?? Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 16:41:08 EDT Doesnt P. brasiliense also grow aquatically, or at least partly submerged and from the same region as P. tweedieanum? Very interesting plants! Michael _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "Tom Croat" Thomas.Croat at mobot.org> on 2006.06.14 at 19:35:46(14349) Dear Julius: I don't think that I have this species in cultivation. There are images in the Araceae of the Flora of Paraguay (Figure 7 on p. 24). Do you want me to send it? Tom +More -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 4:51 PM To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com Subject: RE: [Aroid-l]P. tweedeanum--Photos/specimens?? >From : Tom Croat Reply-To : Discussion of aroids Sent : Tuesday, May 30, 2006 4:05 PM To : "Discussion of aroids" Subject : RE: [Aroid-l] Swamp Philo. sp. from near Iguazu Falls. Dear Tom, Thank you so very much for the ID. Are you aware of any site where I may view photos of this species, and are there live specimens at MOBOT or growing in any collection that you may know of?? Thanks again, Julius >>Dear Julius: This is Philodendron tweedeanum Schott, P. dubium is a synonym of that name. Tom -----Original Message----- Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 3:36 PM To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com Subject: [Aroid-l] Swamp Philo. sp. from near Iguazu Falls. Dear All, Every now and then this incident crosses my mind, and it still bothers me all these years later. This note was sparked by someone mentioning the late Fred Fuchs, who collected extensively in S. America back in the 'good old days', and often took groups of orchid and aroid enthusists collecting w/ him. Many years ago, when I was just getting started in aroids, I met a woman here in WPB who had returned from collecting w/ Fred just a year or so previously, she described being on the bus to the famous Iguazu falls, when along a flat, straight road BEFORE getting to the falls, in a cow-pasture behind a barbed-wire fence, she saw what could be mistaken for a huge stand of Xanthosoma. On closer inspection (after she managed to get the bus to stop!) the plants turned out to be a swamp-growing species of Philodendron . The area in which this dense stand of plants was growing, which was obviously sometimes flooded, was dry at the time, and the 'soil' consisted of clay baked by the sun to the consistincy/hardness of red brick. She had to get the bus driver to assist her in digging three plants out of this hard and rock-like 'soil'. From memory, the plants had long yellow petioles, and 'carried' about 5 leaves. The leaves were sagittate, with the anterior lobe noticably shorter than the longer, wide-spread hind lobes, and the blades were carried with the anterior lobe pointing down, the hind lobes up. They were not 'self-heading', but were none the less very compact, short-rhizomed plants w/ a thick, short and elongate rhizome the color of an American sweet-potato, orange. It seemed that the plants could store food reserves in this form of rhizome. The woman had three plants, and resisted all my efforts to trade or buy one from here, she made a comment that she would prefer to let them die before she would part w/ one. During a visit a few years later, she had done just that, allowed them to die. The pots stood empty save the remanants/shells of their rhizomes. I discussed this w/ the late and great Dr. Monroe Birdsey, and would you believe he too had seen and collected the exact plants at the exact spot during his visit to the falls! I BELIEVE he thought that they might be called P. 'dubium', but he was not certain. If anyone can offer some/any information on the ID of these plants, or better yet actually have a plant, I`d love to hear from them! Good Growing! Julius _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "Eduardo Goncalves" edggon at hotmail.com> on 2006.06.15 at 18:02:11(14351) Dear Tom and Julius, We have P. tweedianum cultivated in our collection here at UCB, together with the other aquatic Meconostigma, such as P. brasiliense, P. uliginosum, P. paludicola and P. dardanianum. It is very easy to cultivate following Julius' methods for Urospathas. Very best wishes, Eduardo. +More Dr. Eduardo G. Goncalves Universidade Catolica de Brasilia Curso de Ciencias Biologicas Sala M-206, QS 7, Lote 1, EPTC CEP 72030-170, Taguatinga ? DF, BRAZIL. Reply-To: Discussion of aroids To: "Discussion of aroids" Subject: RE: [Aroid-l]P. tweedeanum--Photos/specimens?? Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 14:35:46 -0500 Dear Julius: I don't think that I have this species in cultivation. There are images in the Araceae of the Flora of Paraguay (Figure 7 on p. 24). Do you want me to send it? Tom -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 4:51 PM To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com Subject: RE: [Aroid-l]P. tweedeanum--Photos/specimens?? >From : Tom Croat Reply-To : Discussion of aroids Sent : Tuesday, May 30, 2006 4:05 PM To : "Discussion of aroids" Subject : RE: [Aroid-l] Swamp Philo. sp. from near Iguazu Falls. Dear Tom, Thank you so very much for the ID. Are you aware of any site where I may view photos of this species, and are there live specimens at MOBOT or growing in any collection that you may know of?? Thanks again, Julius >>Dear Julius: This is Philodendron tweedeanum Schott, P. dubium is a synonym of that name. Tom -----Original Message----- Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 3:36 PM To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com Subject: [Aroid-l] Swamp Philo. sp. from near Iguazu Falls. Dear All, Every now and then this incident crosses my mind, and it still bothers me all these years later. This note was sparked by someone mentioning the late Fred Fuchs, who collected extensively in S. America back in the 'good old days', and often took groups of orchid and aroid enthusists collecting w/ him. Many years ago, when I was just getting started in aroids, I met a woman here in WPB who had returned from collecting w/ Fred just a year or so previously, she described being on the bus to the famous Iguazu falls, when along a flat, straight road BEFORE getting to the falls, in a cow-pasture behind a barbed-wire fence, she saw what could be mistaken for a huge stand of Xanthosoma. On closer inspection (after she managed to get the bus to stop!) the plants turned out to be a swamp-growing species of Philodendron . The area in which this dense stand of plants was growing, which was obviously sometimes flooded, was dry at the time, and the 'soil' consisted of clay baked by the sun to the consistincy/hardness of red brick. She had to get the bus driver to assist her in digging three plants out of this hard and rock-like 'soil'. From memory, the plants had long yellow petioles, and 'carried' about 5 leaves. The leaves were sagittate, with the anterior lobe noticably shorter than the longer, wide-spread hind lobes, and the blades were carried with the anterior lobe pointing down, the hind lobes up. They were not 'self-heading', but were none the less very compact, short-rhizomed plants w/ a thick, short and elongate rhizome the color of an American sweet-potato, orange. It seemed that the plants could store food reserves in this form of rhizome. The woman had three plants, and resisted all my efforts to trade or buy one from here, she made a comment that she would prefer to let them die before she would part w/ one. During a visit a few years later, she had done just that, allowed them to die. The pots stood empty save the remanants/shells of their rhizomes. I discussed this w/ the late and great Dr. Monroe Birdsey, and would you believe he too had seen and collected the exact plants at the exact spot during his visit to the falls! I BELIEVE he thought that they might be called P. 'dubium', but he was not certain. If anyone can offer some/any information on the ID of these plants, or better yet actually have a plant, I`d love to hear from them! Good Growing! Julius _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "Horak, David" davidhorak at bbg.org> on 2006.08.03 at 23:07:00(14468) Here is the website for our Amorphophallus titanum which should open sometime next week. There are photos, etc. and if not up eventually a webcam. I am off for vacation so will probably miss it. Figures. Enjoy... http://www.bbg.org/vis2/2006/titan/ All Best, Dave Horak +More Brooklyn Botanic Garden _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: bonaventure at optonline.net on 2006.08.08 at 02:42:42(14477) Dave, Came by to see the flower last Friday but couldn't get close-up. Still amazing through the glass. How will you be storing the pollen? Will it still be viable next spring? I would like to try to make some Amorphophallus hybrids. Bonaventure Magrys +More Cliffwood Beach (Old Bridge Twp.), NJ ----- Original Message ----- Date: Thursday, August 3, 2006 7:07 pm Subject: RE: [Aroid-l]P. tweedeanum--Photos/specimens?? > > > Here is the website for our Amorphophallus titanum which should open > sometime next week. There are photos, etc. and if not up > eventually a > webcam. I am off for vacation so will probably miss it. Figures. > Enjoy... > > http://www.bbg.org/vis2/2006/titan/ > > All Best, > > Dave Horak > Brooklyn Botanic Garden > _______________________________________________ > Aroid-l mailing list > Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

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