Anthurium fruiting

From: "Derek Burch" derek at horticulturist.com> on 2005.12.26 at 15:09:35(13657) One of my large birdsnest anthuriums that has not fruited before is now giving me a beautiful mass of bright scarlet fruit. I am curious about a phenomenon which I have seen before on other big birdsnest species, that is that as the fruits ripen they sooner or later pop out of the matrix of the spadix and hang on a short thread. How widespread is this through the genus? The shape of the fruit (like a candycorn) makes it very poppable, and the almost random ripening of the fruits dotted all over the spadix also makes the popping more likely as the remaining fruit around any given one swell. I don't really have questions about this, apart from wondering how widespread it is, and also why the fruits reach maturity with no apparent pattern and over such an extended period, but would welcome anyone's observations or comments. Idle thoughts for an idle day. Best wishes to everyone. Derek +More _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "Denis Rotolante" denis at skg.com> on 2005.12.27 at 21:19:27(13659) No apparent pattern? Try counting the number of seed per berry, the relative size of seeds in each berry and whether the has fruit has seed or just chaff. These factors can vary between fruits on same infructescence. It may not be as random as you think. Something is obviously controlling the ripening hormones in each fruit/berry. Some of the pattern may be random but not all of the ripening. Denis +More Silver Krome Gardens -----Original Message----- [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Derek Burch Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 10:10 AM To: 'Discussion of aroids' Subject: [Aroid-l] Anthurium fruiting One of my large birdsnest anthuriums that has not fruited before is now giving me a beautiful mass of bright scarlet fruit. I am curious about a phenomenon which I have seen before on other big birdsnest species, that is that as the fruits ripen they sooner or later pop out of the matrix of the spadix and hang on a short thread. How widespread is this through the genus? The shape of the fruit (like a candycorn) makes it very poppable, and the almost random ripening of the fruits dotted all over the spadix also makes the popping more likely as the remaining fruit around any given one swell. I don't really have questions about this, apart from wondering how widespread it is, and also why the fruits reach maturity with no apparent pattern and over such an extended period, but would welcome anyone's observations or comments. Idle thoughts for an idle day. Best wishes to everyone. Derek _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: Thomas.Croat at mobot.org on 2005.12.28 at 22:10:23(13660) Title: RE: [Aroid-l] Anthurium fruiting Dear Derek: I believe what you are seeing is pretty universal. The inner surface of the tepals have a strip of tissue that is capable of being ripped off and this is firmly attached to the base of the berries, allowing the berries to be nicely displayed after they emerge. I suspect that this has evolved to allow for easy dispersal by birds, surely the principal dispersal agent for Anthurium according to my observations and those of Betty Loiselle who works works with bird pollination (UMSL). I have seen species where the fruits emerge and don't hang down but I suspect that if you tugged on them slowly they might also become loosened in the same way. Tom +More -----Original Message----- Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 9:10 AM To: 'Discussion of aroids' Subject: [Aroid-l] Anthurium fruiting One of my large birdsnest anthuriums that has not fruited before is now giving me a beautiful mass of bright scarlet fruit. I am curious about a phenomenon which I have seen before on other big birdsnest species, that is that as the fruits ripen they sooner or later pop out of the matrix of the spadix and hang on a short thread. How widespread is this through the genus? The shape of the fruit (like a candycorn) makes it very poppable, and the almost random ripening of the fruits dotted all over the spadix also makes the popping more likely as the remaining fruit around any given one swell. I don't really have questions about this, apart from wondering how widespread it is, and also why the fruits reach maturity with no apparent pattern and over such an extended period, but would welcome anyone's observations or comments. Idle thoughts for an idle day. Best wishes to everyone. Derek _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: aroideae at aol.com on 2005.12.29 at 17:18:58(13661) this filament of tissue on excerted berries has always been quite sticky in the Anthurium i've dealt with. maybe it's that way so the berry sticks to a bird's beak....or my fingers. lynn Dear Derek: +More I believe what you are seeing is pretty universal. The inner surface of the tepals have a strip of tissue that is capable of being ripped off and this is firmly attached to the base of the berries, allowing the berries to be nicely displayed after they emerge. I suspect that this has evolved to allow for easy dispersal by birds, surely the principal dispersal agent for Anthurium according to my observations and those of Betty Loiselle who works works with bird pollination (UMSL). I have seen species where the fruits emerge and don't hang down but I suspect that if you tugged on them slowly they might also become loosened in the same way. Tom -----Original Message----- From: Derek Burch [mailto:derek@horticulturist.com] Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 9:10 AM To: 'Discussion of aroids' Subject: [Aroid-l] Anthurium fruiting One of my large birdsnest anthuriums that has not fruited before is now giving me a beautiful mass of bright scarlet fruit. I am curious about a phenomenon which I have seen before on other big birdsnest species, that is that as the fruits ripen they sooner or later pop out of the matrix of the spadix and hang on a short thread. How widespread is this through the genus? The shape of the fruit (like a candycorn) makes it very poppable, and the almost random ripening of the fruits dotted all over the spadix also makes the popping more likely as the remaining fruit around any given one swell. I don't really have questions about this, apart from wondering how widespread it is, and also why the fruits reach maturity with no apparent pattern and over such an extended period, but would welcome anyone's observations or comments. Idle thoughts for an idle day. Best wishes to everyone. Derek _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: Thomas.Croat at mobot.org on 2005.12.30 at 20:04:30(13662) Lynn: You may be correct. I have never actually handled the little filaments because they are so tiny but the berries are almost universally equipped with a VERY stick mucilage on the seeds themselves which can stick to anything. I sometimes have to lick them off my fingers and spit them out to get them onto a piece of paper. These appendages are quite variable, sometimes on both ends, sometimes only on one end and sometimes the entire seed is enclosed in a mucilaginous sack. The Mexican species that I know tend to have a pasty mesocarp and lack the sticky appendages as I recall, then Mexican species differ in every way from the rest of the genus. Tom +More [mailto:aroideae@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 11:19 AM To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Anthurium fruiting this filament of tissue on excerted berries has always been quite sticky in the Anthurium i've dealt with. maybe it's that way so the berry sticks to a bird's beak....or my fingers. lynn Dear Derek: I believe what you are seeing is pretty universal. The inner surface of the tepals have a strip of tissue that is capable of being ripped off and this is firmly attached to the base of the berries, allowing the berries to be nicely displayed after they emerge. I suspect that this has evolved to allow for easy dispersal by birds, surely the principal dispersal agent for Anthurium according to my observations and those of Betty Loiselle who works works with bird pollination (UMSL). I have seen species where the fruits emerge and don't hang down but I suspect that if you tugged on them slowly they might also become loosened in the same way. Tom -----Original Message----- Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 9:10 AM To: 'Discussion of aroids' Subject: [Aroid-l] Anthurium fruiting One of my large birdsnest anthuriums that has not fruited before is now giving me a beautiful mass of bright scarlet fruit. I am curious about a phenomenon which I have seen before on other big birdsnest species, that is that as the fruits ripen they sooner or later pop out of the matrix of the spadix and hang on a short thread. How widespread is this through the genus? The shape of the fruit (like a candycorn) makes it very poppable, and the almost random ripening of the fruits dotted all over the spadix also makes the popping more likely as the remaining fruit around any given one swell. I don't really have questions about this, apart from wondering how widespread it is, and also why the fruits reach maturity with no apparent pattern and over such an extended period, but would welcome anyone's observations or comments. Idle thoughts for an idle day. Best wishes to everyone. Derek _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: HUDSONSBIRDS at webtv.net on 2006.04.04 at 21:54:11(14052) Is it agreed as to which aroid plant has the LARGEST LEAVES??? _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list +More Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: Wrig14 at aol.com on 2006.04.05 at 16:44:04(14059) In a message dated 4/5/2006 11:00:16 A.M. Central Standard Time, HUDSONSBIRDS@webtv.net writes: http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l +More I nominate Anthurium CUBENSE Joe _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "Abrimaal" abrimaal at wp.pl> on 2006.04.05 at 18:31:07(14061) Hello, I think Alocasia robusta has the largest simple leaves, and the largest composite (or dracontioid??) leaf belongs to Amorphophallus titanum. http://www.wschowa.com/abrimaal/araceum/alocasia/robusta.htm Marek +More ----- Original Message ----- To: "Discussion of aroids" Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 11:54 PM Subject: RE: [Aroid-l] Anthurium fruiting Is it agreed as to which aroid plant has the LARGEST LEAVES??? _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "Denis Rotolante" denis at skg.com> on 2006.04.06 at 13:31:49(14065) Title: Message Can We Please quantify our standard of measurement for this award as the largest Anthurium. Are we talking total mass weight? or linear measurement of individual leaf size? or total square surface area of individual leaves? or total square surface area of all the leaves on the plant? Just how do you measure an anthurium or any aroid for that matter? Denis +More Silver Krome Gardens Homestead Florida -----Original Message-----From: aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Wrig14@aol.comSent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 12:44 PMTo: aroid-l@gizmoworks.comSubject: Re: [Aroid-l] Anthurium fruiting In a message dated 4/5/2006 11:00:16 A.M. Central Standard Time, HUDSONSBIRDS@webtv.net writes: http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l I nominate Anthurium CUBENSE Joe _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

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