Philodendron X macneilianum

From: Thomas.Croat at mobot.org on 2005.11.19 at 03:23:46(13549) Title: Philodendron X macneilianum Dear Aroiders: Has anyone ever heard of this hybrid called Philodendron X macneilianum? It is, so far as I know, unpublished and presumably associated in some way with someone named Macneil. All I know about it at present is that it is being called this in Paris. If anyone has any more direct information on this please let me know. Tom Croat +More _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: Neil Crafter golfstra at senet.com.au> on 2005.11.21 at 00:19:25(13554) Hi Tom Hope you are well. AB Graf's Exotica lists "P. x mcneilianum (F. species no.1 x selloum), selfheading plant with large leaves almost triangular, deeply lobed and wavy; basal lobes staghorn-like, 'cold' resistant." F. species No. 1 is described by Graf as "Fosters species No.1', or "P. cymbispathum according to Barroso". Hope this helps a little. I have a photo I can scan for you if you don't have a copy of Exotica handy. The copies I made were from an edition of Exotica at least 25 years old so I'd say the hybrid has been around a fair while. I have another reference from a botanical encyclopaedia (unfortunately my photocopies of the Philo section didn't record the book) that says that "P.macneilianum has large, wavy, deeply lobed leaves broadly-tringular-ovate in outline". It says it is of the same parentage as P. fosteranum which has parents being P.bipinnatifidum and P. cymbispathum. Would seem that parents are P. cymbispathum and P. bipinnatifidum and presumably Mr MacNeil did the crossing. The second article spells the name differently with an 'a', and presumably this is the correct spelling. Hope this helps cheers Neil +More Neil Crafter Philodendron enthusiast IAS Board member Adelaide, Australia On 19/11/2005, at 1:53 PM, Thomas.Croat@mobot.org wrote: ??????? Dear Aroiders: ??????? Has anyone ever heard of this hybrid called Philodendron X macneilianum?? It is, so far as I know, unpublished and presumably associated in some way with someone named Macneil.? All I know about it at present is that it is being called this in Paris.? If anyone has any more direct information on this please let me know. Tom Croat ? _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "Julius Boos" ju-bo at msn.com> on 2005.11.21 at 09:39:22(13555) Reply-To : Discussion of aroids Sent : Monday, November 21, 2005 12:19 AM To : Discussion of aroids Subject : Re: [Aroid-l] Philodendron X macneilianum Dear Neil, NICE detective work on tracing what this plant is! I too like to be able to do this when time permits! Thanks again! Julius +More WPB, FLORIDA. Hi Tom Hope you are well. AB Graf's Exotica lists "P. x mcneilianum (F. species no.1 x selloum), selfheading plant with large leaves almost triangular, deeply lobed and wavy; basal lobes staghorn-like, 'cold' resistant." F. species No. 1 is described by Graf as "Fosters species No.1', or "P. cymbispathum according to Barroso". Hope this helps a little. I have a photo I can scan for you if you don't have a copy of Exotica handy. The copies I made were from an edition of Exotica at least 25 years old so I'd say the hybrid has been around a fair while. I have another reference from a botanical encyclopaedia (unfortunately my photocopies of the Philo section didn't record the book) that says that "P.macneilianum has large, wavy, deeply lobed leaves broadly-tringular-ovate in outline". It says it is of the same parentage as P. fosteranum which has parents being P.bipinnatifidum and P. cymbispathum. Would seem that parents are P. cymbispathum and P. bipinnatifidum and presumably Mr MacNeil did the crossing. The second article spells the name differently with an 'a', and presumably this is the correct spelling. Hope this helps cheers Neil Neil Crafter Philodendron enthusiast IAS Board member Adelaide, Australia On 19/11/2005, at 1:53 PM, Thomas.Croat@mobot.org wrote: Dear Aroiders: Has anyone ever heard of this hybrid called Philodendron X macneilianum? It is, so far as I know, unpublished and presumably associated in some way with someone named Macneil. All I know about it at present is that it is being called this in Paris. If anyone has any more direct information on this please let me know. Tom Croat _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "Famille FERRY" jpcferry2 at wanadoo.fr> on 2005.11.21 at 17:51:23(13557) Dear Neil, Thank you very much Neil for your effective assistance. Have you information on Mr MacNeil? Thank you also dear Dr. Croat for your intervention, also Hans. +More I appreciates much the role of the forum which makes it possible to exchange, throughout the whole world, our problems with our Aroids. Receive all my gratitude. Genevi?ve Ferry , Nancy , FRANCE ----- Original Message ----- From: Neil Crafter To: Discussion of aroids Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 1:19 AM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Philodendron X macneilianum Hi TomHope you are well. AB Graf's Exotica lists "P. x mcneilianum (F. species no.1 x selloum), selfheading plant with large leaves almost triangular, deeply lobed and wavy; basal lobes staghorn-like, 'cold' resistant." F. species No. 1 is described by Graf as "Fosters species No.1', or "P. cymbispathum according to Barroso".Hope this helps a little. I have a photo I can scan for you if you don't have a copy of Exotica handy. The copies I made were from an edition of Exotica at least 25 years old so I'd say the hybrid has been around a fair while.I have another reference from a botanical encyclopaedia (unfortunately my photocopies of the Philo section didn't record the book) that says that "P.macneilianum has large, wavy, deeply lobed leaves broadly-tringular-ovate in outline". It says it is of the same parentage as P. fosteranum which has parents being P.bipinnatifidum and P. cymbispathum.Would seem that parents are P. cymbispathum and P. bipinnatifidum and presumably Mr MacNeil did the crossing. The second article spells the name differently with an 'a', and presumably this is the correct spelling. Hope this helpscheersNeilNeil CrafterPhilodendron enthusiastIAS Board memberAdelaide, AustraliaOn 19/11/2005, at 1:53 PM, Thomas.Croat@mobot.org wrote: Dear Aroiders: Has anyone ever heard of this hybrid called Philodendron X macneilianum? It is, so far as I know, unpublished and presumably associated in some way with someone named Macneil. All I know about it at present is that it is being called this in Paris. If anyone has any more direct information on this please let me know.Tom Croat _______________________________________________Aroid-l mailing listAroid-l@gizmoworks.comhttp://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________Aroid-l mailing listAroid-l@gizmoworks.comhttp://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: Thomas.Croat at mobot.org on 2005.11.22 at 00:08:45(13560) Dear Neil: I am amazed that I never noticed this thing in Exotica. I +More found it on page 189 of Exotica III published in 1963. A skillfull breeder could cross most of these species I think but if records are not kept it would result in chaos. This is where a registration system for the IAS is essential. Tom -----Original Message-----From: Neil Crafter [mailto:golfstra@senet.com.au]Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 6:19 PMTo: Discussion of aroidsSubject: Re: [Aroid-l] Philodendron X macneilianum Hi Tom Hope you are well. AB Graf's Exotica lists "P. x mcneilianum (F. species no.1 x selloum), selfheading plant with large leaves almost triangular, deeply lobed and wavy; basal lobes staghorn-like, 'cold' resistant." F. species No. 1 is described by Graf as "Fosters species No.1', or "P. cymbispathum according to Barroso". Hope this helps a little. I have a photo I can scan for you if you don't have a copy of Exotica handy. The copies I made were from an edition of Exotica at least 25 years old so I'd say the hybrid has been around a fair while. I have another reference from a botanical encyclopaedia (unfortunately my photocopies of the Philo section didn't record the book) that says that "P.macneilianum has large, wavy, deeply lobed leaves broadly-tringular-ovate in outline". It says it is of the same parentage as P. fosteranum which has parents being P.bipinnatifidum and P. cymbispathum. Would seem that parents are P. cymbispathum and P. bipinnatifidum and presumably Mr MacNeil did the crossing. The second article spells the name differently with an 'a', and presumably this is the correct spelling. Hope this helps cheers Neil Neil Crafter Philodendron enthusiast IAS Board member Adelaide, Australia On 19/11/2005, at 1:53 PM, Thomas.Croat@mobot.org wrote: Dear Aroiders: Has anyone ever heard of this hybrid called Philodendron X macneilianum? It is, so far as I know, unpublished and presumably associated in some way with someone named Macneil. All I know about it at present is that it is being called this in Paris. If anyone has any more direct information on this please let me know. Tom Croat _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: Thomas.Croat at mobot.org on 2005.11.22 at 00:37:51(13561) Dear Gen: Does your plant look like the plant pictured in Exotica +More III? Tom -----Original Message-----From: Famille FERRY [mailto:jpcferry2@wanadoo.fr]Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 11:51 AMTo: Discussion of aroidsSubject: Re: [Aroid-l] Philodendron X macneilianum Dear Neil, Thank you very much Neil for your effective assistance. Have you information on Mr MacNeil? Thank you also dear Dr. Croat for your intervention, also Hans. I appreciates much the role of the forum which makes it possible to exchange, throughout the whole world, our problems with our Aroids. Receive all my gratitude. Genevi?ve Ferry , Nancy , FRANCE ----- Original Message ----- From: Neil Crafter To: Discussion of aroids Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 1:19 AM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Philodendron X macneilianum Hi TomHope you are well. AB Graf's Exotica lists "P. x mcneilianum (F. species no.1 x selloum), selfheading plant with large leaves almost triangular, deeply lobed and wavy; basal lobes staghorn-like, 'cold' resistant." F. species No. 1 is described by Graf as "Fosters species No.1', or "P. cymbispathum according to Barroso".Hope this helps a little. I have a photo I can scan for you if you don't have a copy of Exotica handy. The copies I made were from an edition of Exotica at least 25 years old so I'd say the hybrid has been around a fair while.I have another reference from a botanical encyclopaedia (unfortunately my photocopies of the Philo section didn't record the book) that says that "P.macneilianum has large, wavy, deeply lobed leaves broadly-tringular-ovate in outline". It says it is of the same parentage as P. fosteranum which has parents being P.bipinnatifidum and P. cymbispathum.Would seem that parents are P. cymbispathum and P. bipinnatifidum and presumably Mr MacNeil did the crossing. The second article spells the name differently with an 'a', and presumably this is the correct spelling. Hope this helpscheersNeilNeil CrafterPhilodendron enthusiastIAS Board memberAdelaide, AustraliaOn 19/11/2005, at 1:53 PM, Thomas.Croat@mobot.org wrote: Dear Aroiders: Has anyone ever heard of this hybrid called Philodendron X macneilianum? It is, so far as I know, unpublished and presumably associated in some way with someone named Macneil. All I know about it at present is that it is being called this in Paris. If anyone has any more direct information on this please let me know.Tom Croat _______________________________________________Aroid-l mailing listAroid-l@gizmoworks.comhttp://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________Aroid-l mailing listAroid-l@gizmoworks.comhttp://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "Famille FERRY" jpcferry2 at wanadoo.fr> on 2005.11.22 at 17:13:36(13567) Dear Tom, Oui, the enormous plant that we received resembles well that which is in Exotica. I am glad to have to find his "parents" and I want to still thank all the people who helped me . Respectfully, Genevi?ve +More ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas.Croat@mobot.org To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 1:37 AM Subject: RE: [Aroid-l] Philodendron X macneilianum Dear Gen: Does your plant look like the plant pictured in Exotica III? Tom -----Original Message-----From: Famille FERRY [mailto:jpcferry2@wanadoo.fr]Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 11:51 AMTo: Discussion of aroidsSubject: Re: [Aroid-l] Philodendron X macneilianum Dear Neil, Thank you very much Neil for your effective assistance. Have you information on Mr MacNeil? Thank you also dear Dr. Croat for your intervention, also Hans. I appreciates much the role of the forum which makes it possible to exchange, throughout the whole world, our problems with our Aroids. Receive all my gratitude. Genevi?ve Ferry , Nancy , FRANCE ----- Original Message ----- From: Neil Crafter To: Discussion of aroids Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 1:19 AM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Philodendron X macneilianum Hi TomHope you are well. AB Graf's Exotica lists "P. x mcneilianum (F. species no.1 x selloum), selfheading plant with large leaves almost triangular, deeply lobed and wavy; basal lobes staghorn-like, 'cold' resistant." F. species No. 1 is described by Graf as "Fosters species No.1', or "P. cymbispathum according to Barroso".Hope this helps a little. I have a photo I can scan for you if you don't have a copy of Exotica handy. The copies I made were from an edition of Exotica at least 25 years old so I'd say the hybrid has been around a fair while.I have another reference from a botanical encyclopaedia (unfortunately my photocopies of the Philo section didn't record the book) that says that "P.macneilianum has large, wavy, deeply lobed leaves broadly-tringular-ovate in outline". It says it is of the same parentage as P. fosteranum which has parents being P.bipinnatifidum and P. cymbispathum.Would seem that parents are P. cymbispathum and P. bipinnatifidum and presumably Mr MacNeil did the crossing. The second article spells the name differently with an 'a', and presumably this is the correct spelling. Hope this helpscheersNeilNeil CrafterPhilodendron enthusiastIAS Board memberAdelaide, AustraliaOn 19/11/2005, at 1:53 PM, Thomas.Croat@mobot.org wrote: Dear Aroiders: Has anyone ever heard of this hybrid called Philodendron X macneilianum? It is, so far as I know, unpublished and presumably associated in some way with someone named Macneil. All I know about it at present is that it is being called this in Paris. If anyone has any more direct information on this please let me know.Tom Croat _______________________________________________Aroid-l mailing listAroid-l@gizmoworks.comhttp://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________Aroid-l mailing listAroid-l@gizmoworks.comhttp://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________Aroid-l mailing listAroid-l@gizmoworks.comhttp://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

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