Philo ID

From: Brian Williams pugturd at alltel.net> on 2005.04.28 at 06:21:51(12895) I may be corrected on this but a few years ago at the aroid show this philo was brought up in discussion. It has been sold for years with no name and was from what I gather rediscovered by Simon Mayo. It was given the name Philo mayoii the plant is really easy to grow with segmented leaves with maroon to dark purple looking stems. Here are photos off of my website I believe Eduardo or Tom was in this discussion when it took place maybe they have some more info they can add to it. link to pics +More http://www.cloudjungle.dns2go.com/DotNetNuke/DesktopDefault.aspx?&tabidG&path=Araceae/Philodendron/Philo%20Mayoii _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "Eduardo Goncalves" edggon at hotmail.com> on 2005.04.28 at 12:49:13(12896) Dear Brian, It really looks like P. mayoi. Have it already flowered? If so, please, post the pictures of flowers in your page and let us know. Very best wishes, Eduardo. +More Dr. Eduardo G. Goncalves Universidade Catolica de Brasilia Curso de Ciencias Biologicas Sala M-206, QS 7, Lote 1, EPTC CEP 72030-170, Taguatinga ? DF, BRAZIL. Reply-To: Discussion of aroids To: Discussion of aroids Subject: [Aroid-l] Philo ID Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 02:21:51 -0400 I may be corrected on this but a few years ago at the aroid show this philo was brought up in discussion. It has been sold for years with no name and was from what I gather rediscovered by Simon Mayo. It was given the name Philo mayoii the plant is really easy to grow with segmented leaves with maroon to dark purple looking stems. Here are photos off of my website I believe Eduardo or Tom was in this discussion when it took place maybe they have some more info they can add to it. link to pics http://www.cloudjungle.dns2go.com/DotNetNuke/DesktopDefault.aspx?&tabidG&path=Araceae/Philodendron/Philo%20Mayoii _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger: instale gr?tis e converse com seus amigos. http://messenger.msn.com.br _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: chammer at cfl.rr.com (Bluesea) on 2008.01.15 at 23:47:40(16952) Anyone know what Philo this is? Newer leaves are a bit more deeply cut. I think this is one of several that came from the defunct Orchid Jungle in Miami just before the property was cleared some years ago. +More I can send photos of the stem if that would help an ID. Russ central Fla -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: photos 12-17-07 005.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 42286 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/private/aroid-l/attachments/20080115/2f4ac0b9/attachment-0001.jpg

From: chammer at cfl.rr.com (Bluesea) on 2008.01.15 at 23:49:59(16953) Didn't realize I already had this photo of the stem. Russ central Fla +More -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: photos 12-17-07 006.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 44854 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/private/aroid-l/attachments/20080115/a806e77c/attachment-0001.jpg

From: ju-bo at msn.com (ju-bo at msn.com) on 2008.01.16 at 11:01:16(16955) ---------------------------------------- > Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:49:59 -0500 > From: chammer at cfl.rr.com > To: aroid-l at gizmoworks.com > Subject: [Aroid-l] Philo ID Dear Russ, In trying to I.D. this plant, we have to enter into some speculation and assumption! The squamules in youir photo at the bases of the petioles are VERY distinctive, and diaognostic for the species P. bipinnatifidium, shown in your good jpeg as being flattish, long and flexible. In his paper on Meconostigmas in Aroideana Vol. 25 of 2002, Dr. Goncalves discusses, describes and illustrates these in a good photo of the species, and compares them to those of P. mello-barettoanum which are short, stout spines. P. mello-barettoanum occurs quite commonly in older collections in the Miami area, notably at the OLD Parrot Jungle and at Fairchild Gardens. With its divided leaves, it has been mistaken and confused with P. bipinnatifidium. The leaf you photographed is not as deeply divided as the ''modern'' plants of P. bipinnatifiduum (A.K.A. P.''selloum") which are produced commercially these days in the thousands by tissue culture. We must keep in mind that ALL these thousands of plants are clones of just one plant, probably selected for its leaf shape and divisions. The plant in your photo, based on speculation on its origins from the old orchid jungle, would pre-date the tissue culture, and would have been produced by hand-pollination. I have spoken with some of the guys who used to produce plants of P. ''selloum'' (= P. bipinnatifidium) in commercial quantities by hand pollination/seed. They all had large mature plants or ''breeders'' which they hand pollinated, and the seed was collected, washed and sown . The resulting plants from seed obviously showed genitic variations to the leaf shape, size, and color not seen in todays tissue cultured plants. I speculate that your plant is one of these older seed-produced plants. Also, keep an eye on the older leaves as your plant matures or gets larger, as when older/larger they might illustrate more and deeper divisions. I hope this helps. Julius +More > Didn't realize I already had this photo of the stem. > Russ > central Fla

From: lbmkjm at yahoo.com (brian lee) on 2008.01.16 at 12:46:59(16956) Dear Russ, Aloha. The leaf and the stem photos point to a hybrid of Philodendron bipinnatifidum...the intravaginal squamules are typical of this species. There is a hybrid called Philodendron x evansii that resembles this, which is a Philodendron bipinnatifidum crossed with Philodendron speciosum...and is intermediate between them. There will be variations that intergrade between one species and the other in this cross. Philodendron speciosum has very different intravaginal squamules and some crosses will trend toward these. I do not have as much interest in hybrids myself...but there are many of them out there. At some point, we need to locate some good habitat photographs of the subgenus Meconostigma to determine the full range of variations within the current species concepts. There are many hybrids out there and as wild populations disappear, it will be increasingly difficult to clarify some of these questions. +More Aloha, Leland --- Bluesea wrote: > Didn't realize I already had this photo of the stem. > Russ > central Fla > > _______________________________________________ > Aroid-L mailing list > Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ

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From: ju-bo at msn.com (ju-bo at msn.com) on 2008.01.17 at 11:29:25(16961) ________________________________ > Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 22:06:27 -0500 > From: chammer at cfl.rr.com > To: aroid-l at gizmoworks.com > Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Philo ID Dear Russ, I`m certain that I speak for Leland when I say we are glad to try to help. What we have to keep in mind when dealing with some of these plants which come to us from ''back in the old days'', is that we have no records of exactly where they originated, and what if any crosses might have been done back then by the old growers/producers, perhaps in attempts to create a plant with as much cold resistance as possible. In the case of your photos, the squamules do look a lot like those of a ''pure'' P. bipinnatifidium, but the leaf blade in one of your photos does not demonstrate the number or depth of the divisions, nor the bipinnate nature of these divisions one would expect on a leaf of an adult, ''pure'' P. bipinnatifidium. This might only be an artifact of the age and size of the leaf in the photo. I suggest that you keep an eye on the plant in question and report if, as it matures and perhaps gets larger, the divisions do indeed deepen and ''split'', as we do know that juvinile plants of several species of Meconostigmas with split or divided leaves start off with leaf blades which are entirely cordate/sagittate, and only as they mature and increase in size do the distinctive divisions slowly develop. I will keep my eyes open for what the squamules on obvious hybrids like P. evansii and P. eichlerii look like, and report back ''to base'', there is a plant at the Mounts Bot. Garden near to my home which I want to check into, and two groups up at Frenchman`s landing in Jupiter also. I will keep us informed! The Best, Julius +More > Thanks very much to Julius and Leland for your expert replies regarding and ID of the philodendron. The detailed explanations of possible ID are much appreciated. > Russ > central Fla

From: growit7 at windstream.net (Tere Baber) on 2008.01.17 at 15:19:42(16962) Not a clue but I love it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bluesea" +More To: "Discussion of aroids" Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 5:47 PM Subject: [Aroid-l] Philo ID > Anyone know what Philo this is? Newer leaves are a bit more deeply > cut. I think this is one of several that came from the > defunct Orchid Jungle in Miami just before the property was cleared some > years ago. > > I can send photos of the stem if that would help an ID. > Russ > central Fla > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Aroid-L mailing list > Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.6/1229 - Release Date: 1/17/2008 11:12 AM

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From: lbmkjm at yahoo.com (brian lee) on 2008.01.17 at 19:08:59(16965) Dear Russ, Aloha. Yes, Julius is correct, we are more than happy to assist. +More Julius also highlights an urgent need...the keeping of good records on our plants...especially the wild collected accessions. I am certain that taxonomists will continue to revise and change names on plants...what does not change is the population and locality data...if this is recorded. I can use the example of our native Pritchardia palms. After many years of study, there are still controversial taxonomic questions remaining. The best way to determine species at the moment is to know which island....and even better, which population the palm originated from. Keys work somewhat...but cultivated palms do some confusing things....and the keys may or may not work. Genetic work to date has looked at small sections of the genome and those sites are not correlated to morphological details. New genetic research will expand on the genome markers, but I have the feeling there may be more lumping than splitting of species... Now those out there that want to make distinctions in morphology will have to specify the population involved....if this has never been recorded...we will never know...especially if the population disappears in the wild...which is a trend these days. I am reminded of the real estate mantra...location, location, location. The other thing is the expense of DNA analysis, so just looking at a plant and identifying it the old fashioned way remains the best method. There is a push for barcoding of species, but this process is better served in animals versus plants at the moment. How expensive this will be...I can only guess. What I am very encouraged about is the current interest in Philodendron and the subgenus Meconostigma, in particular. I have been looking at the earlier descriptions to get clarity into these questions, but I must say that the ones I have read so far are lacking in certain details I would consider diagnogstic...or are vague in locality details or were described from cultivated plants...with vague location data, like,"Brazil". Luckily Meconostigma has only a few taxa, and we do have a handle on the biogeography of the group, so this makes the process much easier. Aloha, Leland --- ju-bo at msn.com wrote: > > > > ________________________________ > > Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 22:06:27 -0500 > > From: chammer at cfl.rr.com > > To: aroid-l at gizmoworks.com > > Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Philo ID > > Dear Russ, > > I`m certain that I speak for Leland when I say we > are glad to try to help. > What we have to keep in mind when dealing with some > of these plants which come to us from ''back in the > old days'', is that we have no records of exactly > where they originated, and what if any crosses might > have been done back then by the old > growers/producers, perhaps in attempts to create a > plant with as much cold resistance as possible. > In the case of your photos, the squamules do look a > lot like those of a ''pure'' P. bipinnatifidium, but > the leaf blade in one of your photos does not > demonstrate the number or depth of the divisions, > nor the bipinnate nature of these divisions one > would expect on a leaf of an adult, ''pure'' P. > bipinnatifidium. This might only be an artifact of > the age and size of the leaf in the photo. I > suggest that you keep an eye on the plant in > question and report if, as it matures and perhaps > gets larger, the divisions do indeed deepen and > ''split'', as we do know that juvinile plants of > several species of Meconostigmas with split or > divided leaves start off with leaf blades which are > entirely cordate/sagittate, and only as they mature > and increase in size do the distinctive divisions > slowly develop. > I will keep my eyes open for what the squamules on > obvious hybrids like P. evansii and P. eichlerii > look like, and report back ''to base'', there is a > plant at the Mounts Bot. Garden near to my home > which I want to check into, and two groups up at > Frenchman`s landing in Jupiter also. > I will keep us informed! > > The Best, > > Julius > > > > Thanks very much to Julius and Leland for your > expert replies regarding and ID of the philodendron. > The detailed explanations of possible ID are much > appreciated. > > Russ > > central Fla > _______________________________________________ > Aroid-L mailing list > Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

From: piaba <piabinha at yahoo.com> on 2013.01.02 at 20:23:33(22760) any ideas of what species this small philodendron might be? it was purchased years ago from a florida vendor, with no name. http://www.flickr.com/photos/58391037@N04/8334414947/ ======= HTML +More tsuh yang ---965286322-1590880578-1357158213=:86426-- --==============%04212417440744343==

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