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From: Wrig14 at aol.com on 2005.01.31 at 14:43:21(12624) I can find no refernce to PHILODENDRONS espiritu sancti or santa leopoldina at the IAS site under ARACAEA That seems odd since much has been said and written about them. Actually the latters designation shoud be P. santa leopoldina4 being one of the originaal four collected. Numbers 2 and 3 disappeared or have not surfaced in many years. Can anyone add to this. It would be interesting to know why these are not lsted. Joe _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list +More Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "Abrimaal Svartvinter" abrimaal at o2.pl> on 2005.02.01 at 12:46:19(12628) Philodendron 'Santa Leopoldina' is the most probably a synonymous name of Ph. atopaboense (if I wrote it correctly). +More ----- Original Message ----- From: Wrig14@aol.com To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 3:43 PM Subject: [Aroid-l] Philodendron list I can find no refernce to PHILODENDRONS espiritu sancti or santa leopoldina at the IAS site under ARACAEA That seems odd since much has been said and written about them. Actually the latters designation shoud be P. santa leopoldina4 being one of the originaal four collected. Numbers 2 and 3 disappeared or have not surfaced in many years. Can anyone add to this. It would be interesting to know why these are not lsted. Joe _______________________________________________Aroid-l mailing listAroid-l@gizmoworks.comhttp://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: Thomas.Croat at mobot.org on 2005.02.02 at 18:15:37(12631) Dear Joe: The name was actually published as Philodendron spirtus-sanct Bunting, Phytologia 61:441-447. 1987. Let us know if you don't find it. I don't know who installed that list or if it is kept up to date. I think you are wrong about it being synonymous with P. atabapoense Bunting which was described from southern Venezuela. I have looked at the images and they are similar but that kind of a distribution is sort of unlikely. Certainly if you could prove your case it would be a noteworthy accomplishment. Tom +More -----Original Message-----From: Abrimaal Svartvinter [mailto:abrimaal@o2.pl]Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 6:46 AMTo: Discussion of aroidsSubject: Re: [Aroid-l] Philodendron list Philodendron 'Santa Leopoldina' is the most probably a synonymous name of Ph. atopaboense (if I wrote it correctly). ----- Original Message ----- From: Wrig14@aol.com To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 3:43 PM Subject: [Aroid-l] Philodendron list I can find no refernce to PHILODENDRONS espiritu sancti or santa leopoldina at the IAS site under ARACAEA That seems odd since much has been said and written about them. Actually the latters designation shoud be P. santa leopoldina4 being one of the originaal four collected. Numbers 2 and 3 disappeared or have not surfaced in many years. Can anyone add to this. It would be interesting to know why these are not lsted. Joe _______________________________________________Aroid-l mailing listAroid-l@gizmoworks.comhttp://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "Eduardo Goncalves" edggon at hotmail.com> on 2005.02.04 at 17:30:28(12640) Dear Abrimaal, Philodendron atabapoense is quite different from P. spiritus-sancti. I have collected both in the field and they have completely different ecologies, as well as completely different morphology. The only similar aspect is that leaves in young specimens of P. atabapoense have wine coloured surface bellow, as well as adult P. spiritus-sancti. Such aspect just disappears when the plants of P. atabapoense get older. Moreover, P. atabapoense is a widespread species from Northern South America (occurring from Venezuela to the Brazilian northern shore in Amap? state) whereas P. spiritus-sancti occurs in a very restricted area in Southeastern Brazil. Very best wishes, Eduardo. +More Dr. Eduardo G. Goncalves Universidade Catolica de Brasilia Curso de Ciencias Biologicas Sala M-206, QS 7, Lote 1, EPTC CEP 72030-170, Taguatinga ? DF, BRAZIL. Reply-To: Discussion of aroids To: "Discussion of aroids" Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Philodendron list Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 13:46:19 +0100 Philodendron 'Santa Leopoldina' is the most probably a synonymous name of Ph. atopaboense (if I wrote it correctly). ----- Original Message ----- From: Wrig14@aol.com To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 3:43 PM Subject: [Aroid-l] Philodendron list I can find no refernce to PHILODENDRONS espiritu sancti or santa leopoldina at the IAS site under ARACAEA That seems odd since much has been said and written about them. Actually the latters designation shoud be P. santa leopoldina4 being one of the originaal four collected. Numbers 2 and 3 disappeared or have not surfaced in many years. Can anyone add to this. It would be interesting to know why these are not lsted. Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger: instale gr?tis e converse com seus amigos. http://messenger.msn.com.br _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: Wrig14 at aol.com on 2005.02.04 at 22:30:02(12643) Thank to all for your input on the philodenron id,s it has been helpful but what remains unresolved so far is the id for (ka) p. santa leopoldina. Is it a true species? and correctly anotated? joe. _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list +More Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "danny wilson" mudwasp_ at hotmail.com> on 2005.02.05 at 00:49:50(12644) from what i can remember, Santa Leopoldina was written on the tag of several species because of the area they were collected. someone tell me how horribly wrong i am >From: Wrig14@aol.com >Reply-To: Discussion of aroids +More >To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com >Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Philodendron list >Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 17:30:02 EST > >Thank to all for your input on the philodenron id,s it has been helpful but >what remains unresolved so far is the id for (ka) p. santa leopoldina. Is it >a true species? and correctly anotated? joe. >_______________________________________________ >Aroid-l mailing list >Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com >http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "Julius Boos" ju-bo at msn.com> on 2005.02.06 at 15:58:55(12649) >From: Wrig14@aol.com >Reply-To: Discussion of aroids <aroid-l@gizmoworks.com> >To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com >Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Philodendron list >Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 17:30:02 ESTTDear Joe, Your note made me go find the article in question, this should put to rest any questions remaining on this wonderful plant--- Aroideana Vol. 24, pg. 18---"Notes on a Wild Population of Philodendron spiritus-sancti G. S. Bunting (Philodendron 'Santa Leopoldiana')" by Eduardo G. Goncalves and Emerson R. Salviani. EVERYONE should read this wonderful article, good photos and drawings, an urgent appeal that details the danger this species is in of going extinct in the wild. So---Gearge Bunting formally described the plant in 1989, and the mentioned recent article in Aroideana tells you everything you always wanted to know about this rare and wonderful Philo. sp.!! It is a 'GOOD' and formally described species, its correct scientific name is Philodendron spiritus-scanti G. S. Bunting., and Philodendron 'Santa Leopoldiana' is another but non-valid name used for the species. Hope all is well w/ you and yours, old friend! Sincerely and 'Good Growing', Julius +More ,Thank to all for your input on the philodenron id,s it has been helpful but >what remains unresolved so far is the id for (ka) p. santa leopoldina. Is it >a true species? and correctly anotated? joe. >_______________________________________________ >Aroid-l mailing list >Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com >http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: RAYMOMATTLA at cs.com on 2005.02.06 at 20:46:05(12650) I think part of the confusion lies with the name "Santa Leopolinda". It is being used as a name for several other different Philodendrons, all with the classic long, narrow leaf shape of Philodendron spiritus-sancti. I may be wrong on this but the plant I am assuming is Philodendron atopaboense is often sold in the USA as Philodendron "Santa Leopolinda," others as well. Correct me if I am wrong Michael or Julius. Michael Mattlage _______________________________________________ +More Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "Julius Boos" ju-bo at msn.com> on 2005.02.08 at 00:15:55(12655) >From: RAYMOMATTLA@cs.com >Reply-To: Discussion of aroids <aroid-l@gizmoworks.com> >To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com >Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Philodendron list >Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 15:46:05 EST Dear Michael, You are correct, I hope that you have received/read my posting on this plant 'Santa Leopoldiana' as far as I understand is a place-name, as is "Spirito Santo, so perhaps a few species got 'lumped' under the name Santa Leopoldiana. When you do manage to see a TRUE P. spiritus-santi, and examine the texture and shape of its foliage, you will realize that you are in the presence of perfection! Sincerely, Julius +More I think part of the confusion lies with the name Santa Leopolinda". It is >being used as a name for several other different Philodendrons, all with the >classic long, narrow leaf shape of Philodendron spiritus-sancti. I may be wrong >on this but the plant I am assuming is Philodendron atopaboense is often sold >in the USA as Philodendron Santa Leopolinda, others as well. Correct me >if I am wrong Michael or Julius. >Michael Mattlage >_______________________________________________ >Aroid-l mailing list >Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com >http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

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