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Unknown 132 (large-leaved aroids)
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From: Steve Marak <samarak at arachne.uark.edu> on 1997.07.08 at 04:13:22(924)
No aroids here in the mountains of Colorado (we're vacationing), so I have
to satisfy my aroid addiction via the Internet.
Eduardo, Clarence, Julius, and Dick all agree that Unknown 132 is
Xanthosoma violacea. I would not argue with any one of them, much less all
four. Both from Clarence's comments, and since I recently acquired a
couple of the green-form X. violacea, it appears that - as usual - there
are multiple forms of this plant.
Clarence, thanks also for your comments re C. fontanesii. Obviously I
cannot look at my plants for subtle details from 1000 miles away, but will
look over the plant which produces the runners more closely when I get
home. One further question - is "fontanesii" a valid species name, or a
varietal name? I have seen it used both ways.
Steve
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-- Steve Marak
-- samarak@arachne.uark.edu
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From: eduardo gomes goncalves <eggon at guarany.cpd.unb.br> on 1997.07.08 at 22:34:23(925)
On Mon, 7 Jul 1997, Steve Marak wrote:
> Eduardo, Clarence, Julius, and Dick all agree that Unknown 132 is
> Xanthosoma violacea...
I disagree... The unknown 132 is a Xanthosoma violaceum!!!! (Let's keep
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our botanical Latin sharp) ;-)
Best Wishes,
Eduardo.
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From: Steve Marak <samarak at arachne.uark.edu> on 1997.07.08 at 23:04:19(927)
On Tue, 8 Jul 1997, eduardo gomes goncalves wrote:
> On Mon, 7 Jul 1997, Steve Marak wrote:
>
> > Eduardo, Clarence, Julius, and Dick all agree that Unknown 132 is
> > Xanthosoma violacea...
>
> I disagree... The unknown 132 is a Xanthosoma violaceum!!!! (Let's keep
> our botanical Latin sharp) ;-)
>
> Best Wishes,
>
> Eduardo.
>
>
Since I follow the TAXACOM list and therefore know that even the simplest
question can start a debate among taxonomists and systematists that rages
on for weeks, I hesitate to ask ... but still ...
Given the number of times I have seen specific endings change to match
changes in genera, or corrections of specific endings - such as Smilacena
racemosa, which became Maianthemum racemosum (and S. stellata, now M.
stellatum), what is special about the naming in Xanthosoma what the name
should be X. violaceum rather than X. violacea? I seem to recall someone
being taken to task on another list recently for *not* automatically
making such an ending-change.
Since this question involves botanical Latin, perhaps I should ask for
only the first 1,000 opinions! (Yes, that's a joke.)
Curious rather than doubting,
Steve
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-- Steve Marak
-- samarak@arachne.uark.edu
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From: eduardo gomes goncalves <eggon at guarany.cpd.unb.br> on 1997.07.09 at 21:17:56(930)
On Tue, 8 Jul 1997, Steve Marak wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Jul 1997, eduardo gomes goncalves wrote:
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> > On Mon, 7 Jul 1997, Steve Marak wrote:
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> >
> > > Eduardo, Clarence, Julius, and Dick all agree that Unknown 132 is
> > > Xanthosoma violacea...
> >
> > I disagree... The unknown 132 is a Xanthosoma violaceum!!!! (Let's keep
> > our botanical Latin sharp) ;-)
> >
> > Best Wishes,
> >
> > Eduardo.
> >
> >
>
> Since I follow the TAXACOM list and therefore know that even the simplest
> question can start a debate among taxonomists and systematists that rages
> on for weeks, I hesitate to ask ... but still ...
>
> Given the number of times I have seen specific endings change to match
> changes in genera, or corrections of specific endings - such as Smilacena
> racemosa, which became Maianthemum racemosum (and S. stellata, now M.
> stellatum), what is special about the naming in Xanthosoma what the name
> should be X. violaceum rather than X. violacea? I seem to recall someone
> being taken to task on another list recently for *not* automatically
> making such an ending-change.
>
> Since this question involves botanical Latin, perhaps I should ask for
> only the first 1,000 opinions! (Yes, that's a joke.)
>
> Curious rather than doubting,
>
> Steve
>
> -- Steve Marak
> -- samarak@arachne.uark.edu
Dear Steve,
Some questions in Botanical Latin can be quite dubious, because it is
a "dead language" and no human culture (although botanists and the Pope)
use it no more. Meanwhile, this question is very easy to reply. Xanthosoma
is a greek name that means "yellow body" (reffering to some species with
yellow tubers), an it is a neuter name. In Latin, you have neuter, male
and female names and the adjective must to agree with them. Usually,
neuter names agree with the ending "...um", females names agree with the
ending "...a" and male names agree with the ending "...us". As Xanthosoma
is a neuter name (like all words ending with the greek suffixe "soma")
you have to use the specific name "violaceum". If it was a Latin name,
the correct name should be "violacea", because most Latin words ending in
"a" are female, but this isn't the case here. Xanthosoma is neuter and
must to agree with violaceum, or sagittifolium or helleborifolium and
that's all.
I (sincerely) hope it helps,
Eduardo.
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