Permits- THANKS!

From: "Bryant, Susan L." <SLBryant at scj.com> on 2004.02.09 at 13:15:27(11123) Thanks to everyone who replied on line and privately! I thought I read somewhere I needed an agent at customs, that part confused me! Of course, I can't remember where I found that....... Susan +More -----Original Message----- [mailto:aroid-l-owner@lists.ncsu.edu]On Behalf Of G. D. M. Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 1:06 AM To: aroid-l@lists.ncsu.edu Subject: [aroid-l] Permits Try this: http://www.aphis.usda.gov/ppq/permits/ Their offices even have a toll free number 1-877-770-5990! Gary

From: Betsy Feuerstein <ecuador at midsouth.rr.com> on 2004.02.09 at 17:09:14(11124) Susan, You need both a permit and a customs forwarding broker when you come into the USA from a foreign country. The permit you get ahead of time. The broker you contact when you come back into the USA. You need them to take your plants to the place where they will be inspected by agriculture. Like in Miami it is the smokehouse. Like coming into any of the NY airports, plants have to be taken to Hoboken. They are not cheap. And most are not very good when it comes to small shipments coming into the US. They do the big commercial orders first and then if there is time, they get to you. If you have to leave the plants at the entering location, the broker can forward the plants to you after they have passed agricultural inspection. Hope this helps..... Betsy +More "Bryant, Susan L." wrote: > Thanks to everyone who replied on line and privately! > I thought I read somewhere I needed an agent at customs, that part confused > me! > Of course, I can't remember where I found that....... > > Susan > > -----Original Message----- > From: aroid-l-owner@lists.ncsu.edu > [mailto:aroid-l-owner@lists.ncsu.edu]On Behalf Of G. D. M. > Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 1:06 AM > To: aroid-l@lists.ncsu.edu > Subject: [aroid-l] Permits > > Try this: http://www.aphis.usda.gov/ppq/permits/ Their offices even have a > toll free number 1-877-770-5990! Gary

From: Don Martinson <llmen at wi.rr.com> on 2004.02.09 at 17:20:14(11125) Thanks to everyone who replied on line and privately! I thought I read somewhere I needed an agent at customs, that part confused me! Of course, I can't remember where I found that....... Susan It was my understanding that a customs broker is needed only for larger (e.g.commercial) shipments. I have an import permit and used to be able to bring a number of things back from my various trips, including items of interest that I might find in the local markets and gifts from other horticulturists. Unfortunately, with the recent enforcement of the requirement for a phytosanitary certificate, this is no longer possible. -- Don Martinson +More Milwaukee, Wisconsin Mailto:llmen@wi.rr.com

From: Don Martinson <llmen at wi.rr.com> on 2004.02.09 at 20:53:50(11127) Susan, You need both a permit and a customs forwarding broker when you come into the USA from a foreign country. Not strictly true if you are carrying the items with you as personal luggage. However, if you have boxes and boxes of plants, you might encounter a problem. If you have a supplier who is willing to ship and provide a phyto, that might work the best. No broker needed in this case either. -- Don Martinson +More Milwaukee, Wisconsin Mailto:llmen@wi.rr.com

From: Regferns at aol.com on 2004.02.09 at 22:31:42(11130) Even when bringing in the plants as personal luggage, if you do have a lot of plants, they have to be transported to the Agriculture Dept. by a bonded company. Ag is usually away from the airport. I have used brokers, even kindly airline employees, and at least twice, Ag inspectors themselves (but this is not the norm). I've done 16 collection trips and I can honestly tell you that getting plants inspected is always different. While there no doubt are federal guidelines, Miami, New York, Los Angeles and San Francisco are all on different pages. +More Sometimes the airlines will want you to declare the plants with them and then they transport them to Ag. Other times, Ag inspectors will have you contact a broker; this is what usually happens. I've not been on a collection trip since the mandatory Phytosanitary Certificates are required (2002). This is a new wrinkle in what has always been a mysterious process -- but one that can be gotten through by having a pleasant disposition and an Ag agent who did not wake up on the wrong side of the bed. There are stories to tell, but I'm afraid this missive would be entirely too long. Reggie Whitehead South Miami, FL

From: Betsy Feuerstein <ecuador at midsouth.rr.com> on 2004.02.10 at 02:54:28(11131) I think you will find with the new regulations that you will have a far more difficult time carrying anything through. Now Ag will pick up plants of less than 20 pounds free so far. It could take days to get it to Ag and then what do you want done with them after that, i.e., sent to you or pick them up at Ag. It used to be with less than I believe it was 16 plants they would inspect them and let you through but it has been quite some time since I have seen them allow any such thing. The guys at the airport really have little to do with plant inspection other than you have them, and they must go to Ag. Every port is different. Most of us think Miami is by far the most cooperative, but others may have had good experiences with other ports. And of course, some have had not such good results with Miami. No matter where, I hope you have good luck. When you ship plants into the US, you normally do have to have a broker to take them to Ag from customs if they are declared such. Sometimes they will with small packages just let them through, but lately they have been opening them and if there is no permit, you never see them usually. Get my drift, the law is one way, but what is done could be most anything. I have had seeds get through. I have had seeds taken. I have had small boxes of plants go through without a problem. Perhaps best to speak to the Ag station at whatever port you expect the package to come into and ask them what to expect where they are since each station has control over how things are handled making each station potentially different. Betsy +More Don Martinson wrote: > >Susan, > > > >You need both a permit and a customs forwarding broker when you come into the > >USA from a foreign country. > > Not strictly true if you are carrying the items with you as personal > luggage. However, if you have boxes and boxes of plants, you might > encounter a problem. If you have a supplier who is willing to ship > and provide a phyto, that might work the best. No broker needed in > this case either. > > -- > Don Martinson > Milwaukee, Wisconsin > Mailto:llmen@wi.rr.com

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