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From: "Eduardo Goncalves" edggon at hotmail.com> on 2002.12.05 at 22:41:44(9679) Dear Arnould, A few answers for your questions: 1. Yes, Philodendron melanochrysum is the same thing as P. andreanum. They were described for the same plant, adult and yong. As far as I remember, P. melanochrysum is the name to be used. 2. I checked the only reminescent of Koch?s material of Philodendron selloum and it is the same as P. bipinnatifidum, as Mayo noted almost 10 years ago. However, there are two species commonly traded as P. bipinnatifidum, that are P. lundii and P. mello-barretoanum. There will be an article I wrote on this subject (P. bipinnatifidum complex) for the forthcoming Aroideana. 3. It is possible that P. radiatum and P. elegans are the same thing. I think Tom Croat already checked on it before. (Any commnets, Tom). The other two species (P. tortum and P. distantilobum) are well distinct and recongizable. I have not seen P. pinnatilobum. I hope it helps, Eduardo. +More Hello, Iam interested by identifying aroids,and I would like to have some informations about some of them... First,I'd like to know if Philodendron Andreanum and Philo Melanochrysum are two different species or not? Secondly,I often see Philo selloum and Philo bipinnatifidum used to designate the same plants,but in some books(Exotica,...) and on some internetsites with pictures, they are designated as two different species.(I know also there are many different varieties) And what about Anthurium holtonianum,clavigerum and panduratum:1,2,or 3 species? I have also a lot of difficulties with a group of plants called philo laciniatum,florida,florida compacta,pedatum,radiatum,...:I own 4 different plants from this group and can't easily put a name on them(except pedatum)...and I've seen others in some european Botanical Gardens,where they really couldn't answer me enough to satisfy me(answers were sometimes contradictory). I understand some are perhaps hybrids with ! pedatum,squamiferum,...But nothing is very clear! A last interrogation:I think Philo angustisectum and elegans are synonims(isn't it?),but what about Philo tortum,distantilobum and pinnatilobum?These 3 last names designate 3 different plants or not? ,and if well,how can you distinguish them (by another way than by flowers!) Can someone answer some of my questions? I would be very glad to receive some experienced informations... And... sorry for my poor english!(My native tongue is french...) A belgian aroider: Daniel Arnould,Rixensart,Belgium nouldinio@skynet.be _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pageþatures/junkmail

From: Tom Croat Thomas.Croat at mobot.org> on 2002.12.06 at 20:15:34(9680) Dear Eduardo: Philodendron radiatum and P. elegans are distinct species but admitedly they are similar, with the later being smaller, having fewer divisions and drying darker. I am not sure about the flowers because I have not compared them. Tom +More -----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 10:42 PM To: aroid-l@lists.ncsu.edu Subject: Re: [aroid-l] Dear Arnould, A few answers for your questions: 1. Yes, Philodendron melanochrysum is the same thing as P. andreanum. They were described for the same plant, adult and yong. As far as I remember, P. melanochrysum is the name to be used. 2. I checked the only reminescent of Koch?s material of Philodendron selloum and it is the same as P. bipinnatifidum, as Mayo noted almost 10 years ago. However, there are two species commonly traded as P. bipinnatifidum, that are P. lundii and P. mello-barretoanum. There will be an article I wrote on this subject (P. bipinnatifidum complex) for the forthcoming Aroideana. 3. It is possible that P. radiatum and P. elegans are the same thing. I think Tom Croat already checked on it before. (Any commnets, Tom). The other two species (P. tortum and P. distantilobum) are well distinct and recongizable. I have not seen P. pinnatilobum. I hope it helps, Eduardo. >Hello, Iam interested by identifying aroids,and I would like to >have some informations about some of them... First,I'd like to know if >Philodendron Andreanum and Philo Melanochrysum are two different species or >not? Secondly,I often see Philo selloum and Philo bipinnatifidum used to >designate the same plants,but in some books(Exotica,...) and on some >internetsites with pictures, they are designated as two different >species.(I know also there are many different varieties) And what about >Anthurium holtonianum,clavigerum and panduratum:1,2,or 3 species? I have >also a lot of difficulties with a group of plants called philo >laciniatum,florida,florida compacta,pedatum,radiatum,...:I own 4 different >plants from this group and can't easily put a name on them(except >pedatum)...and I've seen others in some european Botanical Gardens,where >they really couldn't answer me enough to satisfy me(answers were sometimes >contradictory). I understand some are perhaps hybrids with ! >pedatum,squamiferum,...But nothing is very clear! A last interrogation:I >think Philo angustisectum and elegans are synonims(isn't it?),but what >about Philo tortum,distantilobum and pinnatilobum?These 3 last names >designate 3 different plants or not? ,and if well,how can you distinguish >them (by another way than by flowers!) Can someone answer some of my >questions? I would be very glad to receive some experienced >informations... And... sorry for my poor english!(My native tongue is >french...) A belgian aroider: Daniel Arnould,Rixensart,Belgium > nouldinio@skynet.be _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pageþatures/junkmail

From: "Eduardo Goncalves" edggon at hotmail.com> on 2002.12.07 at 01:58:24(9682) Dear Tom, Have you collected wild Philodendron elegans? As far as I known, it was only an horticultural misfit, like those lots of species we will never find again in the field. And what about P. angustissectum? Most material I have seen identified as P. angustisectum was proven to be P. tortum, so I have just realized that I don?t know a true P. angustissectum. Very best wishes, Eduardo. +More _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pageþatures/junkmail

From: Tom Croat Thomas.Croat at mobot.org> on 2002.12.08 at 20:32:15(9685) Arnould: P. angustisectum is a synonym of P. radiatum, not P. elegans. Tom +More -----Original Message----- Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 10:00 PM To: 'aroid-l@lists.ncsu.edu' Subject: Re: [aroid-l] Hello Eduardo! Thank you for the answers! I'll read with much interest your article"bipinnatifidum"... About Philo pinnatilobum:you can find a picture in Exotica,and I have seen a very similar plant (so called there ),at the Belgian Botanical Garden:well-named or not?... I presume you mean Phil angustisectum is a synonym of elegans(instead of radiatum?)... At any rate:thank you very much...Daniel ARNOULD Belgium nouldinio@skynet.be -----Message d'origine----- De: Eduardo Goncalves [SMTP:edggon@hotmail.com] Date: jeudi 5 d?cembre 2002 23:42 ?: aroid-l@lists.ncsu.edu Objet: Re: [aroid-l] Dear Arnould, A few answers for your questions: 1. Yes, Philodendron melanochrysum is the same thing as P. andreanum. They were described for the same plant, adult and yong. As far as I remember, P. melanochrysum is the name to be used. 2. I checked the only reminescent of Koch?s material of Philodendron selloum and it is the same as P. bipinnatifidum, as Mayo noted almost 10 years ago. However, there are two species commonly traded as P. bipinnatifidum, that are P. lundii and P. mello-barretoanum. There will be an article I wrote on this subject (P. bipinnatifidum complex) for the forthcoming Aroideana. 3. It is possible that P. radiatum and P. elegans are the same thing. I think Tom Croat already checked on it before. (Any commnets, Tom). The other two species (P. tortum and P. distantilobum) are well distinct and recongizable. I have not seen P. pinnatilobum. I hope it helps, Eduardo. >Hello, Iam interested by identifying aroids,and I would like to >have some informations about some of them... First,I'd like to know if >Philodendron Andreanum and Philo Melanochrysum are two different species or >not? Secondly,I often see Philo selloum and Philo bipinnatifidum used to >designate the same plants,but in some books(Exotica,...) and on some >internetsites with pictures, they are designated as two different >species.(I know also there are many different varieties) And what about >Anthurium holtonianum,clavigerum and panduratum:1,2,or 3 species? I have >also a lot of difficulties with a group of plants called philo >laciniatum,florida,florida compacta,pedatum,radiatum,...:I own 4 different >plants from this group and can't easily put a name on them(except >pedatum)...and I've seen others in some european Botanical Gardens,where >they really couldn't answer me enough to satisfy me(answers were sometimes >contradictory). I understand some are perhaps hybrids with ! >pedatum,squamiferum,...But nothing is very clear! A last interrogation:I >think Philo angustisectum and elegans are synonims(isn't it?),but what >about Philo tortum,distantilobum and pinnatilobum?These 3 last names >designate 3 different plants or not? ,and if well,how can you distinguish >them (by another way than by flowers!) Can someone answer some of my >questions? I would be very glad to receive some experienced >informations... And... sorry for my poor english!(My native tongue is >french...) A belgian aroider: Daniel Arnould,Rixensart,Belgium > nouldinio@skynet.be _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pageþatures/junkmail

From: Tom Croat Thomas.Croat at mobot.org> on 2002.12.09 at 16:53:27(9700) Dear Eduardo: Philodendron elegans is smaller in all respects than P. radiatum and since I have not personally collected this thing in South America I am not certain of is validity. We have collections of it from Colombia. Valle, Antioquia, Quindio, occurring from 750 to 2030 m. Most collections are from Antioquia. I have seen the type of P. angustisectum and it is definitely P. radiatum. Before I saw the type of P. angustisectum I did for a time determine some specimens of P. tortum as P. angustisectum. Tom +More -----Original Message----- Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 1:58 AM To: aroid-l@lists.ncsu.edu Subject: Re: [aroid-l] Dear Tom, Have you collected wild Philodendron elegans? As far as I known, it was only an horticultural misfit, like those lots of species we will never find again in the field. And what about P. angustissectum? Most material I have seen identified as P. angustisectum was proven to be P. tortum, so I have just realized that I don?t know a true P. angustissectum. Very best wishes, Eduardo. _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pageþatures/junkmail

From: pmdes at ionet.co.za> on 2003.03.17 at 17:37:24(10049) Hi Everybody, I am going to Brasil for about 2 weeks and make stops in Rio, Manaus, Salvador, Iguassu and Sao Paulo. What are must see Botanical Gardens and nurseries that specialise in Anthuriums,Philodenrons, Palms and maybe other interesting plants in these stop over places. Best Regards Peter

From: "Eduardo Goncalves" edggon at hotmail.com> on 2003.03.17 at 19:27:58(10051) Dear Peter, I hope you have a great time in Brazil, one of the main aroid countries in the world. We have 30 genera growing here and a few of them are endemic such as: Gearum, Zomicarpa, Dracontioides, Asterostigma (as recircunscribed) and Bognera (as yet). Other genera also occur in other countries but has most of the diversity occurring here, as: Taccarum, Alloschemone, Philodendron subg. Meconostigma, Anthurium sect. Urospadix, etc. In Manaus, make a stop at INPA. They have small collection of interesting aroids around the buildings of the Research Labs. I can?t remember any good site in Salvador, but if you are going to Rio, don?t miss Rio de Janeiro Botanical Garden and the Burle-Marx collection, that is not so far from there. Burle-Marx collection worths itself the trip. I don?t remember nothing special in Sao Paulo, but if you have some time, try to visit the Instituto Plantarum, in Nova Odessa (more or less 100km from Sao Paulo, near Campinas). It is not opened to the public, but you probably can book a visit (www.plantarum.com.br). You can also see the plants in the field. They are everywhere. If you want a specialized guide, contact Mauro Peixoto (http://sites.uol.com.br/mpeixoto/) and he can take you to many interesting places. +More Just an important note. Brazilian brand new laws concerning diversity turns any intention of bringing home plants into a potential nightmare. It is prohibited to take plants out of the country without appropriate authorizations, that can take months or even years to be obtained. Most plant dealers are not exactly happy with this law, but "dura lex, sed lex". Smuggled plants, if found, can put any foreign person in an embarassing trouble, including TV appearance and all that stuff... If you are in Manaus, the probability of having serious problems is even doubled up. I have no sympathy for this biodiversity taliban, even because most of our diversity is already growing in Europe or USA since the late 1700?s. Anyhow, I can only try to use the democracy to fight against its excesses. As an aroid man, all I can do is warn people and avoid unespected troubles. I am usually known for throwing sand in other people?s camp-fire when the subject is visiting Brazil to get plants. However, I would hate if I could plan a trip to get plants in another country, waste a lot of money to travel and obtain plants and, after all, to be arrested at the airport, with my picture in the Newspapers saying "Biopirata!" (Portuguese word for biopirate). It is a silly paranoia, but it has spreaded like a disease in whole country. In the meanwhile, we?re burning everything!!! Very best wishes, Eduardo. Reply-To: aroid-l@lists.ncsu.edu To: Subject: Re: [aroid-l] Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 19:37:24 +0200 Hi Everybody, I am going to Brasil for about 2 weeks and make stops in Rio, Manaus, Salvador, Iguassu and Sao Paulo. What are must see Botanical Gardens and nurseries that specialise in Anthuriums,Philodenrons, Palms and maybe other interesting plants in these stop over places. Best Regards Peter _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pageþatures/junkmail

From: Tom Croat Thomas.Croat at mobot.org> on 2003.03.17 at 19:42:22(10052) Peter: Certainly the Rio de Janeiro Botanical Garden is well worth seeing. Tom +More -----Original Message----- Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 5:37 PM To: aroid-l@lists.ncsu.edu Subject: Re: [aroid-l] Hi Everybody, I am going to Brasil for about 2 weeks and make stops in Rio, Manaus, Salvador, Iguassu and Sao Paulo. What are must see Botanical Gardens and nurseries that specialise in Anthuriums,Philodenrons, Palms and maybe other interesting plants in these stop over places. Best Regards Peter

From: pmdes at ionet.co.za> on 2003.03.19 at 06:29:51(10056) Dear Eduardo, thanks for your email. I will certainly enjoy the trip to your country. Would it be possible to buy plants and export them with the nessary permits? I would not like to end up as a biopirate. How much of a effort would it be to get permits? I do not intend to spend my holiday running from one damn office to the next as I speak no Portugese at all. Best Regards Peter +More ----- Original Message ----- To: Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 9:27 PM Subject: Re: [aroid-l] > Dear Peter, > > I hope you have a great time in Brazil, one of the main aroid countries > in the world. We have 30 genera growing here and a few of them are endemic > such as: Gearum, Zomicarpa, Dracontioides, Asterostigma (as recircunscribed) > and Bognera (as yet). Other genera also occur in other countries but has > most of the diversity occurring here, as: Taccarum, Alloschemone, > Philodendron subg. Meconostigma, Anthurium sect. Urospadix, etc. > In Manaus, make a stop at INPA. They have small collection of > interesting aroids around the buildings of the Research Labs. I can?t > remember any good site in Salvador, but if you are going to Rio, don?t miss > Rio de Janeiro Botanical Garden and the Burle-Marx collection, that is not > so far from there. Burle-Marx collection worths itself the trip. I don?t > remember nothing special in Sao Paulo, but if you have some time, try to > visit the Instituto Plantarum, in Nova Odessa (more or less 100km from Sao > Paulo, near Campinas). It is not opened to the public, but you probably can > book a visit (www.plantarum.com.br). You can also see the plants in the > field. They are everywhere. If you want a specialized guide, contact Mauro > Peixoto (http://sites.uol.com.br/mpeixoto/) and he can take you to many > interesting places. > Just an important note. Brazilian brand new laws concerning diversity > turns any intention of bringing home plants into a potential nightmare. It > is prohibited to take plants out of the country without appropriate > authorizations, that can take months or even years to be obtained. Most > plant dealers are not exactly happy with this law, but "dura lex, sed lex". > Smuggled plants, if found, can put any foreign person in an embarassing > trouble, including TV appearance and all that stuff... If you are in Manaus, > the probability of having serious problems is even doubled up. I have no > sympathy for this biodiversity taliban, even because most of our diversity > is already growing in Europe or USA since the late 1700?s. Anyhow, I can > only try to use the democracy to fight against its excesses. As an aroid > man, all I can do is warn people and avoid unespected troubles. I am usually > known for throwing sand in other people?s camp-fire when the subject is > visiting Brazil to get plants. However, I would hate if I could plan a trip > to get plants in another country, waste a lot of money to travel and obtain > plants and, after all, to be arrested at the airport, with my picture in the > Newspapers saying "Biopirata!" (Portuguese word for biopirate). It is a > silly paranoia, but it has spreaded like a disease in whole country. In the > meanwhile, we?re burning everything!!! > > Very best wishes, > > Eduardo. > > > >From: > >Reply-To: aroid-l@lists.ncsu.edu > >To: > >Subject: Re: [aroid-l] > >Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 19:37:24 +0200 > > > > Hi Everybody, > >I am going to Brasil for about 2 weeks and make stops in > >Rio, Manaus, Salvador, Iguassu and Sao Paulo. > >What are must see Botanical Gardens and nurseries that > >specialise in Anthuriums,Philodenrons, Palms and maybe other interesting > >plants in these stop over places. > >Best Regards > >Peter > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?pageþatures/junkmail > >

From: angel morales angel151 at earthlink.net> on 2003.03.19 at 15:26:51(10057) It all boils down to bureaucratic hypocrisy !! It's all right to slash and burn the rain forest but not alright to salvage and remove a few plants for study with out the long winded wait for a permit. -- Angel151@earthlink.net

From: hermine hermine at endangeredspecies.com> on 2003.03.19 at 16:17:34(10058) At 10:26 AM 03/19/2003 -0500, angel morales wrote: It all boils down to bureaucratic hypocrisy !! It's all right to slash and burn the rain forest but not alright to salvage and remove a few plants for study with out the long winded wait for a permit. -- Angel151@earthlink.net I have been singing this song since the middle of the 1970s. I would challenge anyone to show me a case of something being SAVED via CITES et al. hermine +More --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.461 / Virus Database: 260 - Release Date: 03/10/2003

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From: "T.A. Dros" <thomasdros at hotmail.com> on 2004.02.05 at 11:33:34(11082) Hi, I'm new to this list so i'l introduce myself. I'm Thomas Dros and live in the netherlands. Ofcourse i'm a aroid freak, mostly interested in anthurium, syngonium and philodendron species. Anthurium has most of my interest. Besides those i have some arisaema species and lots of none araceae species. With kind regards, Thomas Dros +More T.A. Dros Dieren, The Netherlands thomasdros@hotmail.com ACG: NL122 © NVHT Lacerta Commissie welzijn en wetgeving. >From: RAYMOMATTLA@cs.com >Reply-To: aroid-l@lists.ncsu.edu >To: aroid-l@lists.ncsu.edu >Subject: [aroid-l] Monstera karstenianum >Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 19:21:04 EST > >I was wondering if anyone could verify for me that this is a true species. >If so, what are its physical characteristics? Thanks, Michael Mattlage Ontvang je Hotmail & Messenger berichten op je mobiele telefoon met Hotmail SMS klik hier

From: agrsuw at ku.ac.th on 2004.05.10 at 00:32:32(11481) Dear Folks, I would like to get help from you people. I was asked to start a breeding program of long stalked and lobed leave Philodendron. In doing so, I need to obtain as many species as possible for germplasm. +More Pls. kindly inform me where are those places I can contact and purchase the plants. Thanks. Surawit W. Poyal Project Foundation THAILAND ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.

From: "ron iles" <roniles at eircom.net> on 2004.08.15 at 00:09:36(11976) And are Joe Wright & Boots OK as well? Ron Iles

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