Some philo questions

From: Roz rozgold at pacbell.net> on 2002.12.05 at 17:50:30(9676) Hi folks! I'm brand new to this list, so I thought I'd start by introducing myself. I'm Roz, I live in Culver City in Southern California, and I'm a totally novice aroid grower. I live in an apartment and do a lot of indoor growing, but most of my experience is with gesneriads. I've started to get interested in aroids because every time I go to botanical gardens or greenhouses lately, it seems that most of the plants that fascinate me are aroids. I hadn't realized that there were some philodendron varieties with variegated foilage in colors other than shades of green and white. In particular I've noticed a variety called 'Pink Princess' and I had a few questions about it: 1) Is 'Pink Princess' considered rare or exotic by aroid growers? 2) I've noticed on the webpages of some nurseries or aroid growers, two other varieties: "Pink Prince' and 'Pink Lady' - are these varieties distinct from 'Pink Princess' or are they all essentially the same name for the same plant? 3) In my web searches, I've also seen references to a place called "Bamboo Nurseries" - where is it located, and does it have a website? My apologies is these questions are too basic or have been covered a lot in past posts. As I said, I'm very much a novice with aroids. Finally, I'm having problems subscribing to this list - the list serve engine keeps telling me I'm subscribed, but I don't seem to be getting any messages. So until I figure this out, I'd very much appreciate it if you could cc my personal e-mail with your response. Thank you all so much. Roz Gold +More Culver City, California Zone 10, Sunset Magazine Zone 23

From: Harry Witmore harrywitmore at witmore.net> on 2002.12.05 at 21:00:09(9677) Roz, this list has been very quiet of late so that could be why you aren't getting any emails. At 09:50 AM 12/5/02 -0800, you wrote: +More Hi folks! I'm brand new to this list, so I thought I'd start by introducing myself. I'm Roz, I live in Culver City in Southern California, and I'm a totally novice aroid grower. I live in an apartment and do a lot of indoor growing, but most of my experience is with gesneriads. I've started to get interested in aroids because every time I go to botanical gardens or greenhouses lately, it seems that most of the plants that fascinate me are aroids. I hadn't realized that there were some philodendron varieties with variegated foilage in colors other than shades of green and white. In particular I've noticed a variety called 'Pink Princess' and I had a few questions about it: 1) Is 'Pink Princess' considered rare or exotic by aroid growers? 2) I've noticed on the webpages of some nurseries or aroid growers, two other varieties: "Pink Prince' and 'Pink Lady' - are these varieties distinct from 'Pink Princess' or are they all essentially the same name for the same plant? 3) In my web searches, I've also seen references to a place called "Bamboo Nurseries" - where is it located, and does it have a website? My apologies is these questions are too basic or have been covered a lot in past posts. As I said, I'm very much a novice with aroids. Finally, I'm having problems subscribing to this list - the list serve engine keeps telling me I'm subscribed, but I don't seem to be getting any messages. So until I figure this out, I'd very much appreciate it if you could cc my personal e-mail with your response. Thank you all so much. Roz Gold Culver City, California Zone 10, Sunset Magazine Zone 23 Harry Witmore Zone 7 NC Cloud Jungle Art Epiphytes.Org

From: "D.J. Leedy" djleedy at netex.quik.com> on 2002.12.05 at 21:44:24(9678) Welcome to the list Roz. You are fortunate to live in Culver City for the growing of aroids. Many of the higher altitude aroids grow much better in your location, than say in south Florida, due to the cool evenings and influence of the Pacific Ocean. You will need a climate controlled area (heat and humidity) in order to grow some of the lower elevation aroids, which grow much more easily in south Florida. One problem you will have with growing variegated aroids is the salt in the Los Angeles water. This tends to cause leaf burn, which becomes more prevalent with the more white in your variegation. +More I first obtained a cutting of Philodendron 'Pink Princess' close to 20 years ago from my friend, Peter Randall, in Australia. I don't know his source, but I'll bet he got it from someone directly or indirectly in the USA. Cuttings from my plant were then sold for years at the "Plant Shop's Botanical Garden" by Bob Cole and Bill Cook in Reseda, CA. When I left Southern California in 1995, my plants were all donated to the Huntington Botanical Garden. I imagine they have continued selling cuttings. Thirty or so years ago, there were a number of hybridizers/enthusiasts both in Florida and in California. I am guessing that due to distances and lack of the internet, they rarely communicated. Evans, who had a nursery in Hollywood, developed an aborescent philodendron, a hybrid of P. speciosum called P. 'evansii,' which is now so prevalent in Southern California. Hummel was another southern California enthusiast, who developed hybrids and sports. The variegated P. 'Minnie Bell' was named after his wife. Anderson, just north of San Diego, developed a philodendron sport called 'Anderson's red,' which is similar though not variegated. The same was true in Florida, where Bob McCauley at Fantastic Gardens and others developed hybrids and sports of philodendron. There was no central registrar for the naming of aroid cultivars, so everyone just gave them their own name. So the same or very similar cultivars will have different names, depending on where they came from. I know that there was an attempt some ten or fifteen years to have an official aroid registrar, but I don't know if that ever really happened. Maybe someone on the list can enlighten us as to the status of this endeavor. I was always fascinated with a red and white variegated Monstera deliciosa, which was reportedly being grown in Canada, although I never have seen the actual plant (I did see a photograph). Maybe someone on the list knows of this? David Leedy

From: Mattlagem at aol.com on 2002.12.07 at 00:51:02(9681) David, I think the Monstera deliciosa var. "rubra" you saw was just doctored photo. There is no such plant although that would be one fine aroid to see. I saw the photo on a website not too long ago, (wish I could remember the URL) but on the site it even said the plant was a hoax!! Thanks, Michael M.

From: Mattlagem at aol.com on 2002.12.09 at 04:07:09(9691) Go to http://www.mutantpalm.com/archive.html for a picture of it. I can't remember the site that said it was a hoax. Michael M.

From: "Julius Boos" ju-bo at msn.com> on 2002.12.09 at 10:42:44(9694) A quick note, the 'rubra' may be a hoax, but Merkle`s Nursery in Boynton Beach has a couple different clones of a varigated-leaf Monstera deliciosa that I had not seen before my visit, one with white 'stripes', the other more 'clouded' or 'freckled' in shades of cream and white. Julius +More >>Go to http://www.mutantpalm.com/archive.html for a picture of it. I can't remember the site that said it was a hoax. Michael M.

From: SelbyHort at aol.com on 2002.12.09 at 11:58:44(9695) Hello David and All, I am working towards getting a cultivar list for aroids at this time. The IAS is still the official International Cultivar Regisration Authority (ICRA) for aroids and I am the designated Registrar. I would gladly welcome input from any of you knowledgeble aroiders who know the history of some of these cultivars, or who have been instrumental in bringing them into cultivation. I have been pretty quietly drawing up a vast list of cultivar names from various genera and if you would like to know more about what I am doing please reply to me privately. Sometime very soon, the first of several tentative checklists will go up on the IAS web site for comment. We will also publish some of these in the newsletter for people without internet access. Eventually, after the checklists are worked over to all our satisfaction, the IAS will publish a register of aroid cultivars. This will be updated periodically. It will be made available both online and via hard copy. We have not yet set a target date for the first register but some of the checklists are scheduled to appear this coming year online and in print. I am hoping that in another year or two we will have a reigster worth publishing. The success of this project all depends on how much help I can get. While it is vital to register cultivars at the very beginning of their introduction to horticulture, an essential first step of the registration project is to produce lists of all known cultivar names (even bogus ones such as the Monstera just mentioned). The hope is that confusion will be less if the names are stabilized and not used more than once, so good checklists are the basis upon which all registration can proceed. It is very tricky to register a new cultivar name without knowing what names have already been used. Eventually we will try to obtain some decent photos and other documentation for existing cultivar names, but the first step is just to get the checklists completed, so this is where I am needing the most help. Naturally all documentation for new cultivars is most easily obtained right at the beginning when the originator has the plants in hand. Trying to get this information years down the road is problematic, but in some cases there is important information out there that can be obtained with a great deal of effort. Many numbers of aroid cultivars are horticulturally significant, therefore we urgently need to put whatever effort we can into registration. Based upon your comments, David, I would greatly welcome your assistance! Donna Atwood +More In a message dated 12/6/2002 11:53:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, djleedy@netex.quik.com writes: > There was no central registrar for the > naming of aroid cultivars, so everyone just gave them their own name. So > the same or very similar cultivars will have different names, depending on > where they came from. I know that there was an attempt some ten or fifteen > years to have an official aroid registrar, but I don't know if that ever > really happened. Maybe someone on the list can enlighten us as to the > status of this endeavor. >

From: "Cooper, Susan L." SLCooper at scj.com> on 2002.12.09 at 13:11:31(9697) Wow, I think I'll start marketing MY sunburnt Clivias. The prices for sunburnt or varigated plants are absurd! Susan +More -----Original Message----- Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 10:07 PM To: aroid-l@lists.ncsu.edu Subject: Re: [aroid-l] Some philo questions Go to http://www.mutantpalm.com/archive.html for a picture of it. I can't remember the site that said it was a hoax. Michael M.

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