"Arum trilobatum"???

From: Ellen Hornig hornig at Oswego.EDU> on 2001.12.18 at 23:22:00(7947) Hello, all. I need some help here, being woefully ignorant of the tropical aroids. I bought an old Curtis print on eBay (#339, dated 1796) depicting "Arum trilobatum" (Arisarum amboynicum is given as a synonym). The plant is described as native to Amboyna (???) as well as Ceylon. Do these names ring a bell with anyone? The text accompanting the print does not give dimensions, but indicates the leaf is more sagittate than otherwise (the lobes are fairly prominent, hence the specific epithet), and describes the plant thus: "It is one of the least of the tribe....distinguished by the rich, brown, velvety appearance of its flowers; the length of its tapering spadix, which on its lower part is full of little cavities, and resembles a piece of metal corroded by long exposure; and by the intolerable stench which the whole of the flower, but more especially the spadix, sends forth." The picture shows the spathe to be bent back towards the ground somewhat, and the spadix to be - um - heartily erect. I can e-mail a scan to anyone who thinks they can be helpful. If, BTW, anyone collects old plates of tropical aroids, feel free to get in touch (PRIVATELY)...it could be arranged. My own interests lie with the hardy ones. Thanks in advance, Ellen +More ******************************************************************* Ellen Hornig Seneca Hill Perennials 3712 County Route 57 Oswego, New York 13126 USA USDA zone 5B (mintemps -10 to -20F) Phone:(315) 342-5915 Fax: (315) 342-5573 Website: www.senecahill.com

From: "Peter Boyce" p.boyce at rbgkew.org.uk> on 2001.12.19 at 14:54:57(7948) This is Typhonium roxburghii, a species widespread central and east SE Asia but reaching in S India and Bangladesh. It has been introcuced into SAmerica and E Africa. +More ---------------------------- Peter Boyce Herbarium Royal Botanic Gardens, Kew Richmond, Surrey TW9 3AE Tel. (+44) (0)20 8 332 5207 fax. (+44) (0)20 8 332 5278 email: p.boyce@rbgkew.org.uk (work) boyce@pothos.demon.co.uk (home)

From: "Wilbert Hetterscheid" hetter at worldonline.nl> on 2001.12.19 at 14:57:34(7950) Dear Ellen, What was that about erect? Somehow, based on an incident in the past, I wouldn't have figured that you would ever use that word.................. ;-) Now to the matter in....errrr, at hand..... The name Arum trilobatum of Linnaeus, if CORRECTLY applied should refer to Typhonium trilobatum BUT in the days when the plate was prepared that you have bought, such correctness was not the case. The name was idly misused for the plant we now know as Typhonium roxburghii, a pan-Asian weed and hence can be found on Ceylon (Sri Lanka) and Amboina (an island of the Moluccas). The name "Arisaeum amboynicum" daets back to the Dutch botanist Rumphius who used this name in 1747 and also refers to Typhonium roxburghii. All this and more in: Nicolson, D.H. & M. Sivadasan, 1981. Four frequently confused species of Typhonium Schott (Araceae). Blumea 27: 483 - 497. Cheerio, Wilbert +More > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: aroid-l@mobot.org [mailto:aroid-l@mobot.org]Namens Ellen Hornig > Verzonden: woensdag 19 december 2001 0:22 > Aan: Multiple recipients of list AROID-L > Onderwerp: "Arum trilobatum"??? > > > > Hello, all. I need some help here, being woefully ignorant of the > tropical > aroids. I bought an old Curtis print on eBay (#339, dated > 1796) depicting > "Arum trilobatum" (Arisarum amboynicum is given as a > synonym). The plant > is described as native to Amboyna (???) as well as Ceylon. Do > these names > ring a bell with anyone? The text accompanting the print > does not give > dimensions, but indicates the leaf is more sagittate than > otherwise (the > lobes are fairly prominent, hence the specific epithet), and > describes the plant thus: "It is one of the least of the > tribe....distinguished by the rich, brown, velvety appearance of its > flowers; the length of its tapering spadix, which on its lower part is > full of little cavities, and resembles a piece of metal > corroded by long > exposure; and by the intolerable stench which the whole of > the flower, but > more especially the spadix, sends forth." The picture shows > the spathe to > be bent back towards the ground somewhat, and the spadix to be - um - > heartily erect. I can e-mail a scan to anyone who thinks > they can be helpful. > > If, BTW, anyone collects old plates of tropical aroids, feel > free to get > in touch (PRIVATELY)...it could be arranged. My own > interests lie with > the hardy ones. > > Thanks in advance, > Ellen > ******************************************************************* > Ellen Hornig > Seneca Hill Perennials > 3712 County Route 57 > Oswego, New York 13126 USA > USDA zone 5B (mintemps -10 to -20F) > Phone:(315) 342-5915 > Fax: (315) 342-5573 > Website: www.senecahill.com > > > >

From: StellrJ at aol.com on 2001.12.19 at 15:28:20(7951) In a message dated Tue, 18 Dec 2001 6:22:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, Ellen Hornig writes: > The plant > is described as native to Amboyna (???) as well as Ceylon. Do these names +More > ring a bell with anyone? Ceylon is today called Sri Lanka, a large island off India. The Amboin Islands are not far away from there. Jason Hernandez Naturalist-at-Large

From: Ellen Hornig hornig at Oswego.EDU> on 2001.12.20 at 04:09:31(7957) Many thanks to Peter Boyce, Julius Boos, and last but CERTAINLY not least....Wilbert, whose memory is very, very long. :-) Ellen +More ******************************************************************* Ellen Hornig Seneca Hill Perennials 3712 County Route 57 Oswego, New York 13126 USA USDA zone 5B (mintemps -10 to -20F) Phone:(315) 342-5915 Fax: (315) 342-5573 Website: www.senecahill.com

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